On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:04:08 -0400, RPS wrote:


Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study

I really like all three of them, but the first one is a little darker
than I would like to see. It seems very contrasty, but the effect is
ethereal in a sense. I think if you grayed up the black a touch it
might be better.

Over all, I like the third image as the best of the three - nice
balance and a fairly neutral gray scale - the detail is perfect and
you capture a sense of strength and grace of the animal. It also
shows off the fine detail of the neck hair which is impressive - a
little more than the other two in particular with that figured
background.

I'd say one and three - the middle image is just so-so - seems like a
compromise.

Just for yucks, revist the original image and tinker with the
histogram a little - maybe reduce the background a touch with the
first two images.

You know what would be really cool would be to do a graduated montage
from one to the third - I think a panoramic view with a little
tinkering would be impressive.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:04:08 -0400, RPS wrote:

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study

I really like all three of them, but the first one is a little darker
than I would like to see. It seems very contrasty, but the effect is
ethereal in a sense. I think if you grayed up the black a touch it
might be better.

Over all, I like the third image as the best of the three - nice
balance and a fairly neutral gray scale - the detail is perfect and
you capture a sense of strength and grace of the animal. It also
shows off the fine detail of the neck hair which is impressive - a
little more than the other two in particular with that figured
background.

I'd say one and three - the middle image is just so-so - seems like a
compromise.

Just for yucks, revist the original image and tinker with the
histogram a little - maybe reduce the background a touch with the
first two images.

You know what would be really cool would be to do a graduated montage
from one to the third - I think a panoramic view with a little
tinkering would be impressive.


I agree with you. The 3rd image is the one i sent in to get developed.
I sent it to a professional developer and I had them do a test run on a
8x10 to see how it would look. The photo had so many layers in
Photoshop The histogram was played with multiple times, to darken and
highlight different parts of the photo. (I think it was about 12-15
different layers, playing with the histogram, curves, exposure and
contrast, all with masking effects). The developers tell me it can
cause havoc with their ROS system. They recommended using a test print
anytime you use layers and masks.

The real pros will pay $25 to go in and help set up the image before
they print it. I think my $5 test run is a better option for me.

As far as your suggestion, it is a good one, and I might just tackle that.

On Jul 23, 2:27*pm, RPS wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:04:08 -0400, RPS wrote:

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study

I really like all three of them, but the first one is a little darker
than I would like to see. *It seems very contrasty, but the effect is
ethereal in a sense. I think if you grayed up the black a touch it
might be better.

Over all, I like the third image as the best of the three - nice
balance and a fairly neutral gray scale - the detail is perfect and
you capture a sense of strength and grace of the animal. *It also
shows off the fine detail of the neck hair which is impressive - a
little more than the other two in particular with that figured
background.

I'd say one and three - the middle image is just so-so - seems like a
compromise.

Just for yucks, revist the original image and tinker with the
histogram a little - maybe reduce the background a touch with the
first two images. *

You know what would be really cool would be to do a graduated montage
from one to the third - I think a panoramic view with a little
tinkering would be impressive.

I agree with you. *The 3rd image is the one i sent in to get developed.
I sent it to a professional developer and I had them do a test run on a
8x10 to see how it would look. *The photo had so many layers in
Photoshop *The histogram was played with multiple times, to darken and
highlight different parts of the photo. * (I think it was about 12-15
different layers, playing with the histogram, curves, exposure and
contrast, all with masking effects). *The developers tell me it can
cause havoc with their ROS system. * They recommended using a test print
anytime you use layers and masks.

The real pros will pay $25 to go in and help set up the image before
they print it. *I think my $5 test run is a better option for me.

As far as your suggestion, it is a good one, and I might just tackle that..- Hide quoted text -

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Harry could have done all of that in a matter of minutes, just ask him.

wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:04:08 -0400, RPS wrote:
Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.
I would love to hear your comments.
http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study
I really like all three of them, but the first one is a little darker
than I would like to see. It seems very contrasty, but the effect is
ethereal in a sense. I think if you grayed up the black a touch it
might be better.
Over all, I like the third image as the best of the three - nice
balance and a fairly neutral gray scale - the detail is perfect and
you capture a sense of strength and grace of the animal. It also
shows off the fine detail of the neck hair which is impressive - a
little more than the other two in particular with that figured
background.
I'd say one and three - the middle image is just so-so - seems like a
compromise.
Just for yucks, revist the original image and tinker with the
histogram a little - maybe reduce the background a touch with the
first two images.
You know what would be really cool would be to do a graduated montage
from one to the third - I think a panoramic view with a little
tinkering would be impressive.
I agree with you. The 3rd image is the one i sent in to get developed.
I sent it to a professional developer and I had them do a test run on a
8x10 to see how it would look. The photo had so many layers in
Photoshop The histogram was played with multiple times, to darken and
highlight different parts of the photo. (I think it was about 12-15
different layers, playing with the histogram, curves, exposure and
contrast, all with masking effects). The developers tell me it can
cause havoc with their ROS system. They recommended using a test print
anytime you use layers and masks.

The real pros will pay $25 to go in and help set up the image before
they print it. I think my $5 test run is a better option for me.

As far as your suggestion, it is a good one, and I might just tackle that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry could have done all of that in a matter of minutes, just ask him.

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry has
been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many to be
the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with the
gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal favorite was the one of
his new driveway.

I think one reason I enjoy photography is have NEVER done any kind of
art, so it is a completely new experience. They say learning new skills
will keep your mind young and reduce the incidence of Alzheimer. I
figure if I can enjoy myself when keeping my mind young, I still come
out ahead, even if people think my artwork sucks.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:22:40 -0400, RPS wrote:

They say learning new skills will keep your mind young and reduce
the incidence of Alzheimer.

Absouitely true.

What were we talking aboiut?

Who are you again?

I figure if I can enjoy myself when keeping my mind young, I still
come out ahead, even if people think my artwork sucks.

You are getting better and you started at a high level.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:22:40 -0400, RPS wrote:

They say learning new skills will keep your mind young and reduce
the incidence of Alzheimer.

Absouitely true.

What were we talking aboiut?

Who are you again?


They say the mind is the 2nd thing to go. I can't remember the first.

RPS wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:04:08 -0400, RPS wrote:
Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.
I would love to hear your comments.
http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study
I really like all three of them, but the first one is a little darker
than I would like to see. It seems very contrasty, but the effect is
ethereal in a sense. I think if you grayed up the black a touch it
might be better.
Over all, I like the third image as the best of the three - nice
balance and a fairly neutral gray scale - the detail is perfect and
you capture a sense of strength and grace of the animal. It also
shows off the fine detail of the neck hair which is impressive - a
little more than the other two in particular with that figured
background.
I'd say one and three - the middle image is just so-so - seems like a
compromise.
Just for yucks, revist the original image and tinker with the
histogram a little - maybe reduce the background a touch with the
first two images. You know what would be really cool would be to do
a graduated montage
from one to the third - I think a panoramic view with a little
tinkering would be impressive.
I agree with you. The 3rd image is the one i sent in to get developed.
I sent it to a professional developer and I had them do a test run on a
8x10 to see how it would look. The photo had so many layers in
Photoshop The histogram was played with multiple times, to darken and
highlight different parts of the photo. (I think it was about 12-15
different layers, playing with the histogram, curves, exposure and
contrast, all with masking effects). The developers tell me it can
cause havoc with their ROS system. They recommended using a test print
anytime you use layers and masks.

The real pros will pay $25 to go in and help set up the image before
they print it. I think my $5 test run is a better option for me.

As far as your suggestion, it is a good one, and I might just tackle
that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry could have done all of that in a matter of minutes, just ask him.

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry has
been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many to be
the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with the
gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal favorite was the one of
his new driveway.


Don't forget his "office" with the $29.00 chair that was previously
advertised as a completely different chair that would go for $700 or so.
Or the printer/fax, whatever, with the WalMart sticker on it. WAFA
is so pathetic that it's comical.

wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry
has been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many
to be the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with
the gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal favorite was the
one of his new driveway.

Reggie's horsey photos were poorly lit. What else is there to say
about them?

What's next, Reggie? Your take on polar bears in snow storms? Black
cats in coal mines?

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry
has been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many
to be the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with
the gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal favorite was the
one of his new driveway.

Reggie's horsey photos were poorly lit. What else is there to say about
them?

What's next, Reggie? Your take on polar bears in snow storms? Black
cats in coal mines?



Actually except for some a little additional light on half of his face,
the lighting was exactly the way I wanted it. I did want to take a with
back lighting to highlight the hair and silhouette. Most of the black
was done with layers, cutting the exposure down to 0 and then masking
where I wanted the "correct" exposure to come thru the layer. I would
then do a contrast layer to darken it even more, and then use a
selective mask off where I wanted to just add a little contrast. The
rest of it was darken by cloning in the black and selective dodging. I
wish I could blame the photo on poor lighting, but that photo was time
consuming. Not everyone can create artwork as beautiful as yours. I
spent a lot of time to create that POS.

On Jul 23, 8:04*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:
Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. *Harry
has been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many
to be the next Charles C. Ebbets . *I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. *Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with
the gravel and weeds growing around it. *My personal favorite was the
one of his new driveway.

* Reggie's horsey photos were poorly lit. What else is there to say
about them?

Well, I see you are artistically ignorant.