"Eisboch" wrote in
:

FWIW, the author of the article in the link I provided claims to be an
employee of a major oil company. He says he is a chemist who works on
their gasoline "additives". If he is legit ... why would an oil
company have a PhD on their payroll if he didn't do anything?

If you read the article, he acknowledges that gas is gas. Actually he
says gas is not always refined from the same quality or type of crude,
even within a certain "brand". He claims that what makes Shell gas
... Shell, or Mobil gas .... Mobil, or Chevron gas .... Chevron ....
is the type of octane enhancing and deposit cleaning additives used by
the various companies.

Eisboch

Eisboch



I didn't say additives don't exist. They ARE put in at the refinery....all
refineries that adhere to the oil industry's standards, the ones that tell
you it's SJ or CH-4 standard lube oil. All the companies that produce gas
make it so they can all share the commodity as a cartel....oh, oh, can I
say that word?

The advertising is bull**** for the consumers, those idiots who just HAVE
to buy oil with the checkered flag on the can or it's junk.

......and I'm sure there's plenty of non-standardized commodity floating in
greasy tankers trekking across the oceans as we type.....

.....some of those are heading for the Amsoil bottling plant...(c;

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in
:

FWIW, the author of the article in the link I provided claims to be an
employee of a major oil company. He says he is a chemist who works on
their gasoline "additives". If he is legit ... why would an oil
company have a PhD on their payroll if he didn't do anything?

If you read the article, he acknowledges that gas is gas. Actually he
says gas is not always refined from the same quality or type of crude,
even within a certain "brand". He claims that what makes Shell gas
... Shell, or Mobil gas .... Mobil, or Chevron gas .... Chevron ....
is the type of octane enhancing and deposit cleaning additives used by
the various companies.

Eisboch

Eisboch



I didn't say additives don't exist. They ARE put in at the
refinery....all
refineries that adhere to the oil industry's standards, the ones that tell
you it's SJ or CH-4 standard lube oil. All the companies that produce gas
make it so they can all share the commodity as a cartel....oh, oh, can I
say that word?

The advertising is bull**** for the consumers, those idiots who just HAVE
to buy oil with the checkered flag on the can or it's junk.

.....and I'm sure there's plenty of non-standardized commodity floating in
greasy tankers trekking across the oceans as we type.....

....some of those are heading for the Amsoil bottling plant...(c;



I think we are talking two different things here. I am not referring to
motor oil. I am talking about gasoline.
The point the chemist was making was that gas is gas when initially refined
from crude. What differentiates the different brands is the type and amount
of additives they use. Mobil claims to have twice the amount required by
EPA standards. Chevron touts it's "Techron" or whatever. Shell uses
their proprietary "V Power" in the high test. Each of these additives are
required to minimize deposits, but each is a different formulation or
amount.

So, gas may be gas. But the gas you buy at Mobil is different than the gas
you buy at Shell ... or Chevron. That was his point, and I found it
interesting that he recommended rotating the brand every 5k miles to get the
full benefit of each of these different additives.

Eisboch

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:51:14 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


So, gas may be gas. But the gas you buy at Mobil is different than the
gas you buy at Shell ... or Chevron. That was his point, and I found
it interesting that he recommended rotating the brand every 5k miles to
get the full benefit of each of these different additives.

Eisboch

Was it this guy? He seems to be recommending the same.

http://www.vettenet.org/octane.html


He makes sense, but for me, when I need gas, I'll continue to pull into
the most convenient gas station. ;-)

wrote in news:
et:

http://www.vettenet.org/octane.html

And he says:

"Each company has its own additive and adds it to the base gasoline. So
while the base gasoline may be the same, the additive is different, and
hence the brand of gasoline you use is different because of the additive,
not the base gasoline."

Ok, so all I'm asking is WHERE do they take the Hess gas in the tractor
trailer to ADD in the TECHRON between the Hess oil dump in N Charleston, SC
and the TECHRON station on Ashley Phosphate Rd about 6 miles away? The
DRIVER doesn't have tanks of "additives" for 5000 gallons of regular.

The answer is quite simple....he doesn't. It's all BULL****...

.....I asked them! I asked the transport contractor driver filling up the
tanks with TEXACO PLUS at Ashley Marina. I watched him dump gas into the
underground tanks in the parking lot. He told me he gets it from Hess,
like everyone else, and delivers some here (TEXACO AT MARINA) and some
someplace else like Kangaroo across the bridge. When the truck is empty,
he goes back to the dump for another load. Hell, he showed me all the gas
tickets he delivered THAT DAY....tens of thousands of gallons...LOAD AFTER
LOAD!!

BULL****....ALL BULL****.

.......Just like AMSOIL!

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:06:35 +0000, Larry wrote:

wrote in news:
:

http://www.vettenet.org/octane.html

And he says:

"Each company has its own additive and adds it to the base gasoline. So
while the base gasoline may be the same, the additive is different, and
hence the brand of gasoline you use is different because of the additive,
not the base gasoline."

Ok, so all I'm asking is WHERE do they take the Hess gas in the tractor
trailer to ADD in the TECHRON between the Hess oil dump in N Charleston, SC
and the TECHRON station on Ashley Phosphate Rd about 6 miles away? The
DRIVER doesn't have tanks of "additives" for 5000 gallons of regular.

The answer is quite simple....he doesn't. It's all BULL****...

....I asked them! I asked the transport contractor driver filling up the
tanks with TEXACO PLUS at Ashley Marina. I watched him dump gas into the
underground tanks in the parking lot. He told me he gets it from Hess,
like everyone else, and delivers some here (TEXACO AT MARINA) and some
someplace else like Kangaroo across the bridge. When the truck is empty,
he goes back to the dump for another load. Hell, he showed me all the gas
tickets he delivered THAT DAY....tens of thousands of gallons...LOAD AFTER
LOAD!!

BULL****....ALL BULL****.

......Just like AMSOIL!

Wouldn't be a big trick for the Hess depot to have additive dispensers
for the companies it's serving. Not saying they do. But if I cared
that much about it, I would find out. If not, you're right.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote in
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Wouldn't be a big trick for the Hess depot to have additive dispensers
for the companies it's serving. Not saying they do. But if I cared
that much about it, I would find out. If not, you're right.

--Vic



There's only one line and they fill all the tanks from the same huge
overhead pipes really fast....as fast as they can. The drivers are paid by
the load...

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:17:12 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
:

Wouldn't be a big trick for the Hess depot to have additive dispensers
for the companies it's serving. Not saying they do. But if I cared
that much about it, I would find out. If not, you're right.

--Vic



There's only one line and they fill all the tanks from the same huge
overhead pipes really fast....as fast as they can. The drivers are paid by
the load...

I asked about this (you got me curious) in the auto tech group and was
pointed to this. As Ripley said, believe it or not:
http://www.t-r-i.com/gifs/xGasoline%20Quality.pdf

Excerpt:
"Gasoline Distribution
The great majority of gasoline today is blended at refineries to
either regular or premium specifications and shipped to distribution
terminals via pipelines or on barges.
From the terminal, it is delivered via tank truck to the service
station. If ethanol is used as the oxygenate, it may be blended at the
terminal truck rack during loading.
If the station uses blending dispensers, only regular and premium
products are delivered; the mid-grade product is blended at the
dispenser.
Older stations, with non-blending three-product dispensers will
have all three products delivered, with mid-grade gasoline blended at
the terminal.
Most gasoline is fungible; a terminal may supply the same base
gasoline to different branded outlets, while differentiating the
performance by blending the specific brand?s detergent additive
package at the truck rack. Terminal rack blending operations have
become quite sophisticated, in providing automated additive injection
and data logging for many different additives."

--Vic

"Eisboch" wrote in
:

I think we are talking two different things here. I am not referring
to motor oil. I am talking about gasoline.
The point the chemist was making was that gas is gas when initially
refined from crude. What differentiates the different brands is the
type and amount of additives they use. Mobil claims to have twice the
amount required by EPA standards. Chevron touts it's "Techron" or
whatever. Shell uses their proprietary "V Power" in the high test.
Each of these additives are required to minimize deposits, but each is
a different formulation or amount.

So, gas may be gas. But the gas you buy at Mobil is different than
the gas you buy at Shell ... or Chevron. That was his point, and I
found it interesting that he recommended rotating the brand every 5k
miles to get the full benefit of each of these different additives.

Eisboch



Ok, so where do they take the Hess Gas the trucking contractor filled up
with at 6AM this morning on hsi way to the Shell stations to blend in
this amazing array of chemical magic? There is no Shell refinery within
a thousand miles of Charleston, so it didn't go there. I can tell
because it came from Hess, where everybody fills up their trucks, right
under the Mark Clark Expressway bridge at the Hess tank farm which comes
from the tankers on the dock. All the gas leaving the Hess dump is
exactly the same....and there's NO PLACE for each company to fill up on
additives in between the Hess dump and the local station!

So, knowing this, the gas at Mobil ISN'T any different than the gas at
Raceway because they came to town in the same nasty tanker floating on
top of a film of seawater ballast left over from the last trip.

Drop by, I'll get you aboard to peer into that tanker's tank. It's
nasty!

GAS is a commodity traded on the open market many times before it ends
up in your tank....from the lowest bidder through the jobber network.

It's not CHEVRON TECHRON. They don't sell that at the commodity
exchange. They sell GAS. I'm not even sure they sell different grades
any more! I don't see high test listed differently from GASoline.

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in
:

I think we are talking two different things here. I am not referring
to motor oil. I am talking about gasoline.
The point the chemist was making was that gas is gas when initially
refined from crude. What differentiates the different brands is the
type and amount of additives they use. Mobil claims to have twice the
amount required by EPA standards. Chevron touts it's "Techron" or
whatever. Shell uses their proprietary "V Power" in the high test.
Each of these additives are required to minimize deposits, but each is
a different formulation or amount.

So, gas may be gas. But the gas you buy at Mobil is different than
the gas you buy at Shell ... or Chevron. That was his point, and I
found it interesting that he recommended rotating the brand every 5k
miles to get the full benefit of each of these different additives.

Eisboch



Ok, so where do they take the Hess Gas the trucking contractor filled up
with at 6AM this morning on hsi way to the Shell stations to blend in
this amazing array of chemical magic? There is no Shell refinery within
a thousand miles of Charleston, so it didn't go there. I can tell
because it came from Hess, where everybody fills up their trucks, right
under the Mark Clark Expressway bridge at the Hess tank farm which comes
from the tankers on the dock. All the gas leaving the Hess dump is
exactly the same....and there's NO PLACE for each company to fill up on
additives in between the Hess dump and the local station!

So, knowing this, the gas at Mobil ISN'T any different than the gas at
Raceway because they came to town in the same nasty tanker floating on
top of a film of seawater ballast left over from the last trip.

Drop by, I'll get you aboard to peer into that tanker's tank. It's
nasty!

GAS is a commodity traded on the open market many times before it ends
up in your tank....from the lowest bidder through the jobber network.

It's not CHEVRON TECHRON. They don't sell that at the commodity
exchange. They sell GAS. I'm not even sure they sell different grades
any more! I don't see high test listed differently from GASoline.


Ok. You've made your points. I've made mine. It really doesn't matter
when the price is all within a few cents of each other.

BTW .... you are wrong.

: -)

Eisboch

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:04:40 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
.. .
"Eisboch" wrote in
:

I think we are talking two different things here. I am not referring
to motor oil. I am talking about gasoline.
The point the chemist was making was that gas is gas when initially
refined from crude. What differentiates the different brands is the
type and amount of additives they use. Mobil claims to have twice the
amount required by EPA standards. Chevron touts it's "Techron" or
whatever. Shell uses their proprietary "V Power" in the high test.
Each of these additives are required to minimize deposits, but each is
a different formulation or amount.

So, gas may be gas. But the gas you buy at Mobil is different than
the gas you buy at Shell ... or Chevron. That was his point, and I
found it interesting that he recommended rotating the brand every 5k
miles to get the full benefit of each of these different additives.

Eisboch



Ok, so where do they take the Hess Gas the trucking contractor filled up
with at 6AM this morning on hsi way to the Shell stations to blend in
this amazing array of chemical magic? There is no Shell refinery within
a thousand miles of Charleston, so it didn't go there. I can tell
because it came from Hess, where everybody fills up their trucks, right
under the Mark Clark Expressway bridge at the Hess tank farm which comes
from the tankers on the dock. All the gas leaving the Hess dump is
exactly the same....and there's NO PLACE for each company to fill up on
additives in between the Hess dump and the local station!

So, knowing this, the gas at Mobil ISN'T any different than the gas at
Raceway because they came to town in the same nasty tanker floating on
top of a film of seawater ballast left over from the last trip.

Drop by, I'll get you aboard to peer into that tanker's tank. It's
nasty!

GAS is a commodity traded on the open market many times before it ends
up in your tank....from the lowest bidder through the jobber network.

It's not CHEVRON TECHRON. They don't sell that at the commodity
exchange. They sell GAS. I'm not even sure they sell different grades
any more! I don't see high test listed differently from GASoline.


Ok. You've made your points. I've made mine. It really doesn't matter
when the price is all within a few cents of each other.

BTW .... you are wrong.

: -)

Put twelve gallons in the Ranger this morning - $3.50 a gallon.

WHOO HOO!!!