On Jun 18, 8:48*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster

As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.

No joke. *:)

One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...llow-your.html

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.

wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:48 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster
As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.

No joke. :)

One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...llow-your.html

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.


I was talking about keeping small kids off motorcycles and devices like
them, such as ATVs, crap-for-brains.

On Jun 18, 10:23*am, wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:48*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster

As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.

No joke. *:)

One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...ngerous-things...

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.

I forgot, we also should never, EVER teach them to ride things like
motorcyles responsibly. They may then grow up to be responsible adults
and not need someone to do their thinking for them.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 18, 10:23?am, wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:48?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster

As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.

No joke. ?:)

One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...ngerous-things...

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.

I forgot, we also should never, EVER teach them to ride things like
motorcyles responsibly. They may then grow up to be responsible adults
and not need someone to do their thinking for them.

I told all my kids about motorcycles - "You can't have one, and don't
get on one. Won't matter what a fantastically skilled and safe rider
you are when a car or truck pops you off the bike."
Of course we always lived in the city or close in burbs. Lots of
traffic. Might have done different in the sticks.
There's a million ways to teach responsibility.
Take them sky diving and teach them to rig their own chute.
Have them test the ice when ice fishing season starts.
Safe boating practices comes right to mind.
Just make sure every time they do something right they don't get
whipped. You need positive reinforcement of good behavior.
Fiscal responsibility is best taught early on. What I did with mine
was pay them a quarter to not eat dinner, then charge them 20 cents
for breakfast.
There were 7 of them, and they were allowed to pool resources, so they
learned teamwork too.
They all did just fine last I knew. Haven't heard from them in some
years.
Remember what Ann Landers said.
"Your children don't come from you. They come through you."
That was one wise lady.

--Vic

On Jun 18, 12:22*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 18, 10:23?am, wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:48?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster

As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.

No joke. ?:)

One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...ngerous-things....

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.

I forgot, we also should never, EVER teach them to ride things like
motorcyles responsibly. They may then grow up to be responsible adults
and not need someone to do their thinking for them.

I told all my kids about motorcycles *- "You can't have one, and don't
get on one. *Won't matter what a fantastically skilled and safe rider
you are when a car or truck pops you off the bike."
Of course we always lived in the city or close in burbs. *Lots of
traffic. *Might have done different in the sticks.
There's a million ways to teach responsibility.
Take them sky diving and teach them to rig their own chute.
Have them test the ice when ice fishing season starts.
Safe boating practices comes right to mind.
Just make sure every time they do something right they don't get
whipped. *You need positive reinforcement of good behavior.
Fiscal responsibility is best taught early on. *What I did with mine
was pay them *a quarter to not eat dinner, then charge them 20 cents
for breakfast.
There were 7 of them, and they were allowed to pool resources, so they
learned teamwork too.
They all did just fine last I knew. Haven't heard from them in some
years.
Remember what Ann Landers said.
"Your children don't come from you. *They come through you."
That was one wise lady.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are those here who think that you should be turned into "child
protective services" for allowing your kids the freedom to *test the
waters* so to speak. You are suggesting skydiving, they will certainly
throw a hissy fit about that if they whine about a small low powered
motocross bike!
I had a mini bike at around 9, then motorcycles, then racing motocross
ones, then snowmobiles, then racing snowmobiles. What the fools don't
understand is the responsiblity is vast from doing something like
that, you have to maintain, fix, get race ready, enter the races, etc.
Besides, I always, always take time for my kids, they love doing
things with me as much as I love doing things with them. I just don't
think it'd be the same if I had to put them in full body armour to go
fly a kite.....

On Jun 18, 1:02*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 18, 12:22*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 18, 10:23?am, wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:48?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster

As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.

No joke. ?:)

One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...ngerous-things...

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.

I forgot, we also should never, EVER teach them to ride things like
motorcyles responsibly. They may then grow up to be responsible adults
and not need someone to do their thinking for them.

I told all my kids about motorcycles *- "You can't have one, and don't
get on one. *Won't matter what a fantastically skilled and safe rider
you are when a car or truck pops you off the bike."
Of course we always lived in the city or close in burbs. *Lots of
traffic. *Might have done different in the sticks.
There's a million ways to teach responsibility.
Take them sky diving and teach them to rig their own chute.
Have them test the ice when ice fishing season starts.
Safe boating practices comes right to mind.
Just make sure every time they do something right they don't get
whipped. *You need positive reinforcement of good behavior.
Fiscal responsibility is best taught early on. *What I did with mine
was pay them *a quarter to not eat dinner, then charge them 20 cents
for breakfast.
There were 7 of them, and they were allowed to pool resources, so they
learned teamwork too.
They all did just fine last I knew. Haven't heard from them in some
years.
Remember what Ann Landers said.
"Your children don't come from you. *They come through you."
That was one wise lady.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are those here who think that you should be turned into "child
protective services" for allowing your kids the freedom to *test the
waters* so to speak. You are suggesting skydiving, they will certainly
throw a hissy fit about that if they whine about a small low powered
motocross bike!
I had a mini bike at around 9, then motorcycles, then racing motocross
ones, then snowmobiles, then racing snowmobiles. What the fools don't
understand is the responsiblity is vast from doing something like
that, you have to maintain, fix, get race ready, enter the races, etc.
Besides, I always, always take time for my kids, they love doing
things with me as much as I love doing things with them. I just don't
think it'd be the same if I had to put them in full body armour to go
fly a kite.....

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/norw...te/ci_9619906- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your point? Children are killed every day at all sorts of activities,
including baseball, football, soccer, etc. Should we deny them the
pleasure of those things also? What about fishing? Drowning is a big
part of juvenile deaths. What about taking them to the playground? You
must take them, you certainly can't expect them to be responsible
enough to walk there.....
The playground is an accident waiting to happen. Skating? Oh, no!
Hiking? Nope, risk of injury or death there! Camping? Nope, risk of
snakebite, rabid squirrels, etc. I guess they could sit in there
padded rooms and read until they get old enough and tired of it enough
to get out of the prison/home......

On Jun 18, 1:02*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 18, 12:22*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 18, 10:23?am, wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:48?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster

As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.

No joke. ?:)

One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...ngerous-things...

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.

I forgot, we also should never, EVER teach them to ride things like
motorcyles responsibly. They may then grow up to be responsible adults
and not need someone to do their thinking for them.

I told all my kids about motorcycles *- "You can't have one, and don't
get on one. *Won't matter what a fantastically skilled and safe rider
you are when a car or truck pops you off the bike."
Of course we always lived in the city or close in burbs. *Lots of
traffic. *Might have done different in the sticks.
There's a million ways to teach responsibility.
Take them sky diving and teach them to rig their own chute.
Have them test the ice when ice fishing season starts.
Safe boating practices comes right to mind.
Just make sure every time they do something right they don't get
whipped. *You need positive reinforcement of good behavior.
Fiscal responsibility is best taught early on. *What I did with mine
was pay them *a quarter to not eat dinner, then charge them 20 cents
for breakfast.
There were 7 of them, and they were allowed to pool resources, so they
learned teamwork too.
They all did just fine last I knew. Haven't heard from them in some
years.
Remember what Ann Landers said.
"Your children don't come from you. *They come through you."
That was one wise lady.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are those here who think that you should be turned into "child
protective services" for allowing your kids the freedom to *test the
waters* so to speak. You are suggesting skydiving, they will certainly
throw a hissy fit about that if they whine about a small low powered
motocross bike!
I had a mini bike at around 9, then motorcycles, then racing motocross
ones, then snowmobiles, then racing snowmobiles. What the fools don't
understand is the responsiblity is vast from doing something like
that, you have to maintain, fix, get race ready, enter the races, etc.
Besides, I always, always take time for my kids, they love doing
things with me as much as I love doing things with them. I just don't
think it'd be the same if I had to put them in full body armour to go
fly a kite.....

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/norw...te/ci_9619906- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here's a little info, I really like the last paragraph:

A Philadelphia orthopedic surgeon, Joseph S. Torg of Temple
University's medical school, was the first to study this problem after
1975, when a dozen local football players suffered serious spinal
injuries, with one dying and eight becoming quadriplegics. Torg
recommended teaching athletes not to hit others with the top of their
heads, instead training them to protect their spines. While there is
still an average of six such injuries annually in the last 13 years,
the safety campaign has clearly worked.

Now, this kind of injury has become thankfully rare. "If you look at
the actual chances of becoming a quadriplegic from football, it's one
out of 192,000 players," Boden says. Injuries to ankles, knees, hands
and so on, that's another story.

Other risky sports: ice hockey, skydiving, scuba diving, cheerleading
and gymnastics. Cheerleading and gymnastics? Absolutely, experts say.
Cheerleading is actually the most injury-prone sport for women. Being
tossed high into the air by teammates is risky business for the head
and spine, and ankle injuries are common.

But whether it's football, cycling or cheerleading, doctors say there
are ways to keep safe.

Rule No. 1: Don't get in over your head. "You have to compete at a
level at which you're accustomed, and that's compatible with your
level of talent," says Edward McFarland, an orthopedic surgeon at
Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. Train slowly, working your way
up to more strenuous play, and make sure you know the proper
technique: Don't hit that double-black-diamond trail if you've just
learned how to ski.

Good gear is also key. "To reduce the risk of serious head injury and
even save your life, wear the right type of helmet, when appropriate,"
Flecha says.

Rule 2: Let things heal. After an injury, serious or not, stay on the
sidelines until you're better, or you risk doing even more damage.
"The smartest advice is, if something bothers you during or after,
stop or do less, and don't do anything until it feels 100% better,"
says orthopedic surgeon Robert Marx, the orthopedic director of the
Sports Medicine Institute for Young Athletes at New York City's
Hospital for Special Surgery.

Still, physicians caution that parents shouldn't over-hype the dangers
of sports. The idea should be to play carefully, but definitely play.
"You can't be overly injury-conscious, because you may lead children
away from sports," Marx says. "The biggest problem we're having is
that kids aren't doing enough, and there are high rates of childhood
obesity."

A *balanced* view on the subject.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...andle%2 0Bars

On Jun 18, 1:26*pm, JimH wrote:
A *balanced* view on the subject.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...113DF934A15756....

Here's some more balance:

We can't feed them meat:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6896309.stm

Can't let them sleep in a car seat:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148...&comments=true

Can't let them play football:

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71071

Can't take them to the emergency room for anything:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...hild-dies.html

Can't let them play with toys:

http://www.uspirg.org/newsroom/toy-s...en-toy-hazards

Only thing we can do is lock them in a hermetically sealed room with
soft walls.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:22:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 18, 10:23?am, wrote:
On Jun 18, 8:48?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
You must home school your children, it's way too dangerous to allow
them on a school bus, and those school hallways are just way unsafe,
what with hard walls and floors, a fall could be a disaster

As hard as this maybe to believe, I've actually run into this exact
justification fo rhome schooling.

No joke. ?:)

One of the stooges who has been the most verbose about this seems to
not know too much

This link clearly disputes his opinion:

http://whatparentsshouldrealize.blog...ngerous-things...

There are many, many studies linking linking parents overprotecting
children and stress, drug use, social withdrawel, inability to cope
with anxious moments, etc.

I forgot, we also should never, EVER teach them to ride things like
motorcyles responsibly. They may then grow up to be responsible adults
and not need someone to do their thinking for them.

I told all my kids about motorcycles - "You can't have one, and don't
get on one. Won't matter what a fantastically skilled and safe rider
you are when a car or truck pops you off the bike."
Of course we always lived in the city or close in burbs. Lots of
traffic. Might have done different in the sticks.
There's a million ways to teach responsibility.
Take them sky diving and teach them to rig their own chute.
Have them test the ice when ice fishing season starts.
Safe boating practices comes right to mind.
Just make sure every time they do something right they don't get
whipped. You need positive reinforcement of good behavior.
Fiscal responsibility is best taught early on. What I did with mine
was pay them a quarter to not eat dinner, then charge them 20 cents
for breakfast.
There were 7 of them, and they were allowed to pool resources, so they
learned teamwork too.
They all did just fine last I knew. Haven't heard from them in some
years.
Remember what Ann Landers said.
"Your children don't come from you. They come through you."
That was one wise lady.

--Vic

Vic, do you really think you did a good job when you've not heard from them
in some years?
--
John *H*