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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:11:59 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:17:30 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Jun 2, 10:12 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote:
On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote:
Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are
considering
a
small
Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent
quality.
--
John *H*

Check these:
http://www.trailmanor.com/

One of my favorites:

http://www.hilotrailer.com/

Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top'
no
matter
how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm
wanting
to
look
at Coachmen (man?).
--
John *H*

Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that
the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy
as
hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of
the
largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more
than he does.......

A popup. ROTF!!!!!!!!

Yup, they come as 5th wheels, hard sided, extendable, etc. Saves lots
in
fuel while towing. The Chalet is a completely hardsided unit. And to
make
it on topic for boats, I have a slide in pop-up camper for the truck
so
I
can tow the boat when we go to remote lakes camping.
Thewww.palominorv.com
Bronco B-800 was fine for a 7 week trip to Alaska 2 years ago. Got 15
mpg
for the complete trip with a 2004 Diesel Chevy. Buddy with the same
model
truck and a 30' 5th wheel got about 11 mpg on the trip. Lots less air
drag
and not the top heavy unit like a Lance. My Son in law has a Four
Wheel
Camper popup on his Tundra. http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/Only
weighs
about 800#. Aluminum frame. The Airstreams are overpriced. Paying
for
the
name. Look at used travel trailers, there has to be a bunch repo-ed
and
people about to get repo-ed out there with the economy as it is.

So are you placing pop up campers at the same comfort and quality
level as an Airstream?

If you recall, that was the base line set by the original poster.

Eh?

I am not putting down pop up campers............heck, I owned one when
I was in college and it served my camping needs during those tough
financial years.

They are not the same popup anymore.


http://www.trailmanor.com/


You're right. As I told Loogy, I've one brother who is a pop up fan and is
trying to talk me into one. As far as comfort, I'm sure they're every bit
as comfortable as the 19' or 22' Airstream we're considering. But, it's
kind of like Mrs E's horse, if you recall. My wife is not into even
looking
at a popup.
--
John *H*

Actually the Trailmanor and Chalet's are not really a popup but called a
hybrid.


Hell, those damn Trailmanor's aren't cheap! They do look interesting
though. I wonder how all the erection machinery holds up over time.
--
John *H*

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:18:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:52:30 -0400, JG2U wrote:

On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:16:09 -0400, John H.
wrote:



Then I made the second big mistake. To show my wife how nice trailers
could
be, I took her to an Airstream dealer. I should have taken her to a pop
up
place first!


Yep, they can be nice. The downside is that you have to have
something larger than your 4runner to tow a decent trailer with.

With a class A motor home, you have the grunt you need to move it down
the road, only when you need it. You can tow a small, gas efficient
vehicle behind that can otherwise be used for everyday transport.
While driving down the road, your wife can use the bathroom, dry her
hair, make you a sandwich and drink, and relax while you drive her to
the destination.

With a trailer, you have to drive, or park, a big tow vehicle on a
daily basis while you're not using the camper. Big cost and burden
even when not camping. Your 4runner is not going to cut it. The
smallest Airstream is sneaking up on your 4runner's max towing
capacity.

Serious "campers" do the motor-home deal. If you're going to do short
distances a couple of time a year, try the trailer. If you are
serious about camping, the motor-home is the answer. On the plus
side, RV's are selling for cheap right now. Have fun.

The Airstreams we're considering are in the 4500lbs or less category. The
4Runner has a 7000lb max capacity, so I'm in the safe zone for the
4Runner.
I would definitely stay below 5000 lbs.

A small cooler in the 4Runner would cover drinks and sandwiches on the
road
(I don't eat lunch), and rest stops would suffice for bathrooms. We are
not
serious 'campers' but want to see the country. She's not seen very much of
the USA.
--
John *H*

4500# is too much for the 4 runner. I towed my 4500# boat and trailer with
a 96 S-10 Blazer. About the same size rig. Broke a differential, bearing
failure, and going over the Sierras to Tahoe, was at about 45 mph, and the
braking could add to grey hairs.


Depending on the year, engine, etc. there is quite a difference between the
towing capacities of the S-10 Sonoma and the V-8 4Runner.

http://tinyurl.com/3mlkgz

Luckily, with a travel trailer, at least Airstream, I'd have electric
brakes which wouldn't have been immersed twice a week or more.
--
John *H*

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John H. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:23:23 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...
"HK" wrote in message
...
Off topic crap
Not as much as your political stuff. Lots of people use a travel trailer
while at the lake with the boat. Guy across the street, stores his
trailer near the lake, and then tows the boat up, parks the boat, then
gets the trailer from storage about 2 miles away and has nice quarters for
the weekend.

Good grief. I agree. Talk about hall monitors. Seems to me that JohnH is,
among other things, considering some sort of RV that he could also tow and
launch his new boat with. What's so "off topic" about that? I think it's
cool that a guy and his wife can enjoy doing what they like in retirement.
They've paid their dues.

Eisboch (wondering why I bothered to "subscribe" again. Same old, same
old.)


It's 'same old, same old' because of one individual. Filter him and it's
not bad, if people would ignore him as he deserves.


Have you stopped sending me your offcolor emails, crapbrain?

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John H. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:18:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:52:30 -0400, JG2U wrote:

On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:16:09 -0400, John H.
wrote:


Then I made the second big mistake. To show my wife how nice trailers
could
be, I took her to an Airstream dealer. I should have taken her to a pop
up
place first!

Yep, they can be nice. The downside is that you have to have
something larger than your 4runner to tow a decent trailer with.

With a class A motor home, you have the grunt you need to move it down
the road, only when you need it. You can tow a small, gas efficient
vehicle behind that can otherwise be used for everyday transport.
While driving down the road, your wife can use the bathroom, dry her
hair, make you a sandwich and drink, and relax while you drive her to
the destination.

With a trailer, you have to drive, or park, a big tow vehicle on a
daily basis while you're not using the camper. Big cost and burden
even when not camping. Your 4runner is not going to cut it. The
smallest Airstream is sneaking up on your 4runner's max towing
capacity.

Serious "campers" do the motor-home deal. If you're going to do short
distances a couple of time a year, try the trailer. If you are
serious about camping, the motor-home is the answer. On the plus
side, RV's are selling for cheap right now. Have fun.
The Airstreams we're considering are in the 4500lbs or less category. The
4Runner has a 7000lb max capacity, so I'm in the safe zone for the
4Runner.
I would definitely stay below 5000 lbs.

A small cooler in the 4Runner would cover drinks and sandwiches on the
road
(I don't eat lunch), and rest stops would suffice for bathrooms. We are
not
serious 'campers' but want to see the country. She's not seen very much of
the USA.
--
John *H*
4500# is too much for the 4 runner. I towed my 4500# boat and trailer with
a 96 S-10 Blazer. About the same size rig. Broke a differential, bearing
failure, and going over the Sierras to Tahoe, was at about 45 mph, and the
braking could add to grey hairs.


Depending on the year, engine, etc. there is quite a difference between the
towing capacities of the S-10 Sonoma and the V-8 4Runner.

http://tinyurl.com/3mlkgz

Luckily, with a travel trailer, at least Airstream, I'd have electric
brakes which wouldn't have been immersed twice a week or more.


So...why don't you get the hell on the road already...or move...or
something.

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:40:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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You know, I may relook the Sprinter thing, and just get rid of one of
our
other vehicles. You've had good luck towing the trailer. I wonder how
the
thing would do towing a 3000lb boat/trailer and launching same. If I
could
do that, I could get rid of the 4Runner. If not, then the Highlander
would
have to go.

Decisions, decisions. Another advantage to a Class B is that I could
park
it in front of the house. I can't park a trailer there for long or the
neighbors will complain. I don't like the idea of storing it in a lot
where
it's subject to break-ins.

Hope the boat gets ready for pickup. Also hope to see lots of pictures!


It would easily tow it. Launching/retrieving might be interesting and
dependent on the design and condition of the launch ramp, but I don't see
why it would be a problem. The Sprinter is basically a European Van ....
similar in purpose to Ford's E-250 Econoline Van or GM's 2500 Van
offerings.
It replaced the Dodge 1500, 2500 and 3500 series of vans.

I mentioned this before, but just to repeat, the newer Class "C" Sprinters
with the heavier (14,500 lb) GVW are rated to tow 3500 lbs. Ironically,
the
one we have, with the single rear wheels and 8500 lb GVW is rated to tow
5000 lbs. The most I've towed is probably about 3000 lbs ( Haulmark
trailer loaded with motorcycle, and "stuff") and it handles it
effortlessly.
I've done the same using the little Ranger (which is the heavy duty "Level
II" model) and there is no comparison. The Ranger is rated to tow up to
6000 lbs with a weight distribution hitch or 3500 lbs regular, but I'd
never
try it. Something to keep in mind.

Eisboch


I've been out playing golf all day, so couldn't get back to you. Talking
about the Class B has got me thinking seriously about it again. I need to
quit thinking about cost and just go for which would be more fun and
easier
to manage. I found a Pleasure Way Plateau for $75K
http://tinyurl.com/4pdyts which isn't too bad, but I'd like it better
about
$15K cheaper.
--
John *H*

So offer the $60k. What have you got to lose?

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:06:37 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:40:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
...



You know, I may relook the Sprinter thing, and just get rid of one of
our
other vehicles. You've had good luck towing the trailer. I wonder how
the
thing would do towing a 3000lb boat/trailer and launching same. If I
could
do that, I could get rid of the 4Runner. If not, then the Highlander
would
have to go.

Decisions, decisions. Another advantage to a Class B is that I could
park
it in front of the house. I can't park a trailer there for long or the
neighbors will complain. I don't like the idea of storing it in a lot
where
it's subject to break-ins.

Hope the boat gets ready for pickup. Also hope to see lots of pictures!


It would easily tow it. Launching/retrieving might be interesting and
dependent on the design and condition of the launch ramp, but I don't see
why it would be a problem. The Sprinter is basically a European Van ....
similar in purpose to Ford's E-250 Econoline Van or GM's 2500 Van
offerings.
It replaced the Dodge 1500, 2500 and 3500 series of vans.

I mentioned this before, but just to repeat, the newer Class "C" Sprinters
with the heavier (14,500 lb) GVW are rated to tow 3500 lbs. Ironically,
the
one we have, with the single rear wheels and 8500 lb GVW is rated to tow
5000 lbs. The most I've towed is probably about 3000 lbs ( Haulmark
trailer loaded with motorcycle, and "stuff") and it handles it
effortlessly.
I've done the same using the little Ranger (which is the heavy duty "Level
II" model) and there is no comparison. The Ranger is rated to tow up to
6000 lbs with a weight distribution hitch or 3500 lbs regular, but I'd
never
try it. Something to keep in mind.

Eisboch


I've been out playing golf all day, so couldn't get back to you. Talking
about the Class B has got me thinking seriously about it again. I need to
quit thinking about cost and just go for which would be more fun and
easier
to manage. I found a Pleasure Way Plateau for $75K
http://tinyurl.com/4pdyts which isn't too bad, but I'd like it better
about
$15K cheaper.


You should be able to find one, perhaps an '05 or '06. PleasureWay happens
to be very high quality and you pay a bit more for them. One thing though
... you are tall. Make sure the driver's seat positions work for you. Mine
is fine for me but I am under 6' and slowly shrinking. I've heard that the
newer Sprinters have less driver's seat adjustments due to an increase in
the size of the head.

Eisboch


Good point. Thanks.
--
John *H*

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On Jun 3, 3:12*pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:11:59 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:







"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:17:30 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
....
On Jun 2, 10:12 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...

On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote:
On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote:
Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are
considering
a
small
Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent
quality.
--
John *H*

Check these:
http://www.trailmanor.com/

One of my favorites:

http://www.hilotrailer.com/

Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top'
no
matter
how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm
wanting
to
look
at Coachmen (man?).
--
John *H*

Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that
the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy
as
hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of
the
largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more
than he does.......

A popup. *ROTF!!!!!!!!

Yup, they come as 5th wheels, hard sided, extendable, etc. *Saves lots
in
fuel while towing. *The Chalet is a completely hardsided unit. *And to
make
it on topic for boats, I have a slide in pop-up camper for the truck
so
I
can tow the boat when we go to remote lakes camping.
Thewww.palominorv.com
Bronco B-800 was fine for a 7 week trip to Alaska 2 years ago. *Got 15
mpg
for the complete trip with a 2004 Diesel Chevy. *Buddy with the same
model
truck and a 30' 5th wheel got about 11 mpg on the trip. *Lots less air
drag
and not the top heavy unit like a Lance. *My Son in law has a Four
Wheel
Camper popup on his Tundra. *http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/Only
weighs
about 800#. *Aluminum frame. *The Airstreams are overpriced. *Paying
for
the
name. *Look at used travel trailers, there has to be a bunch repo-ed
and
people about to get repo-ed out there with the economy as it is.

So are you placing pop up campers at the same comfort and quality
level as an Airstream?

If you recall, that was the base line set by the original poster.

Eh?

I am not putting down pop up campers............heck, I owned one when
I was in college and it served my camping needs during those tough
financial years.

They are not the same popup anymore.

http://www.trailmanor.com/

You're right. As I told Loogy, I've one brother who is a pop up fan and is
trying to talk me into one. As far as comfort, I'm sure they're every bit
as comfortable as the 19' or 22' Airstream we're considering. But, it's
kind of like Mrs E's horse, if you recall. My wife is not into even
looking
at a popup.
--
John *H*

Actually the Trailmanor and Chalet's are not really a popup but called a
hybrid.

Hell, those damn Trailmanor's aren't cheap! They do look interesting
though. I wonder how all the erection machinery holds up over time.
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hi-Lo's are built really nicely.

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:11:59 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:17:30 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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On Jun 2, 10:12 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...



On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote:
On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote:
Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are
considering
a
small
Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent
quality.
--
John *H*

Check these:
http://www.trailmanor.com/

One of my favorites:

http://www.hilotrailer.com/

Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop
top'
no
matter
how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm
wanting
to
look
at Coachmen (man?).
--
John *H*

Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize
that
the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are
heavy
as
hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of
the
largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows
more
than he does.......

A popup. ROTF!!!!!!!!

Yup, they come as 5th wheels, hard sided, extendable, etc. Saves
lots
in
fuel while towing. The Chalet is a completely hardsided unit. And
to
make
it on topic for boats, I have a slide in pop-up camper for the truck
so
I
can tow the boat when we go to remote lakes camping.
Thewww.palominorv.com
Bronco B-800 was fine for a 7 week trip to Alaska 2 years ago. Got
15
mpg
for the complete trip with a 2004 Diesel Chevy. Buddy with the same
model
truck and a 30' 5th wheel got about 11 mpg on the trip. Lots less
air
drag
and not the top heavy unit like a Lance. My Son in law has a Four
Wheel
Camper popup on his Tundra. http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/Only
weighs
about 800#. Aluminum frame. The Airstreams are overpriced. Paying
for
the
name. Look at used travel trailers, there has to be a bunch repo-ed
and
people about to get repo-ed out there with the economy as it is.

So are you placing pop up campers at the same comfort and quality
level as an Airstream?

If you recall, that was the base line set by the original poster.

Eh?

I am not putting down pop up campers............heck, I owned one
when
I was in college and it served my camping needs during those tough
financial years.

They are not the same popup anymore.


http://www.trailmanor.com/


You're right. As I told Loogy, I've one brother who is a pop up fan and
is
trying to talk me into one. As far as comfort, I'm sure they're every
bit
as comfortable as the 19' or 22' Airstream we're considering. But, it's
kind of like Mrs E's horse, if you recall. My wife is not into even
looking
at a popup.
--
John *H*

Actually the Trailmanor and Chalet's are not really a popup but called a
hybrid.


Hell, those damn Trailmanor's aren't cheap! They do look interesting
though. I wonder how all the erection machinery holds up over time.
--
John *H*
Viagra applied as needed should keep that machinery humming for a looooong
time.

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wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:46:44 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:18:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:52:30 -0400, JG2U wrote:

On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:16:09 -0400, John H.
wrote:



Then I made the second big mistake. To show my wife how nice trailers
could
be, I took her to an Airstream dealer. I should have taken her to a
pop
up
place first!


Yep, they can be nice. The downside is that you have to have
something larger than your 4runner to tow a decent trailer with.

With a class A motor home, you have the grunt you need to move it down
the road, only when you need it. You can tow a small, gas efficient
vehicle behind that can otherwise be used for everyday transport.
While driving down the road, your wife can use the bathroom, dry her
hair, make you a sandwich and drink, and relax while you drive her to
the destination.

With a trailer, you have to drive, or park, a big tow vehicle on a
daily basis while you're not using the camper. Big cost and burden
even when not camping. Your 4runner is not going to cut it. The
smallest Airstream is sneaking up on your 4runner's max towing
capacity.

Serious "campers" do the motor-home deal. If you're going to do short
distances a couple of time a year, try the trailer. If you are
serious about camping, the motor-home is the answer. On the plus
side, RV's are selling for cheap right now. Have fun.

The Airstreams we're considering are in the 4500lbs or less category.
The
4Runner has a 7000lb max capacity, so I'm in the safe zone for the
4Runner.
I would definitely stay below 5000 lbs.

A small cooler in the 4Runner would cover drinks and sandwiches on the
road
(I don't eat lunch), and rest stops would suffice for bathrooms. We
are
not
serious 'campers' but want to see the country. She's not seen very
much
of
the USA.
--
John *H*

4500# is too much for the 4 runner. I towed my 4500# boat and trailer
with
a 96 S-10 Blazer. About the same size rig. Broke a differential,
bearing
failure, and going over the Sierras to Tahoe, was at about 45 mph, and
the
braking could add to grey hairs.


There is a world of difference between a Chevy s-10 Blazer and a
Toyota 4-Runner. The 4-Runner will handle 5000 pounds easily with a
very large margin for safety.



Why? 5000 pounds is more than the truck weighs. Why is it so much safer
than an S-10? I now tow with a crewcab 2004 Chevy diesel. That is
safety.
When the idiot pulls in front of you and stops, the huge brakes on the
truck
stop the rig.


The average tractor of a tractor trailer doesn't weigh nearly as much
as what is being towed either. Please explain yourself.

The 4-Runner is rated to tow more weight than a Chevy S-10 because it
is built to handle more. It's not an arbitrary rating. Bigger brakes,
better suspension... and then there's that whole pesky "quality
thingy"



The average Semi Tractor also hooks up the air brakes to the trailer. Plus
it is built as a towing vehicle. The 4 runner is a nice quality vehicle,
but is still a lightweight rig. I can tell a big difference in the towing
when I drive my SIL's Tundra (couple year old one) and my full size truck.
Get a big side wind gust with that 4 runner towing, and you may not be able
to control the trailer. Especially a tall travel trailer. The S-10 is
rated at I think 6k towing. It towed it, but not really well if there were
any mountains in the way.

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:11:59 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:17:30 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


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On Jun 2, 10:12 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote:
On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote:
Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are
considering
a
small
Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent
quality.
--
John *H*

Check these:
http://www.trailmanor.com/

One of my favorites:

http://www.hilotrailer.com/

Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop
top'
no
matter
how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm
wanting
to
look
at Coachmen (man?).
--
John *H*

Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize
that
the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are
heavy
as
hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of
the
largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows
more
than he does.......

A popup. ROTF!!!!!!!!

Yup, they come as 5th wheels, hard sided, extendable, etc. Saves
lots
in
fuel while towing. The Chalet is a completely hardsided unit. And
to
make
it on topic for boats, I have a slide in pop-up camper for the truck
so
I
can tow the boat when we go to remote lakes camping.
Thewww.palominorv.com
Bronco B-800 was fine for a 7 week trip to Alaska 2 years ago. Got
15
mpg
for the complete trip with a 2004 Diesel Chevy. Buddy with the same
model
truck and a 30' 5th wheel got about 11 mpg on the trip. Lots less
air
drag
and not the top heavy unit like a Lance. My Son in law has a Four
Wheel
Camper popup on his Tundra. http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/Only
weighs
about 800#. Aluminum frame. The Airstreams are overpriced. Paying
for
the
name. Look at used travel trailers, there has to be a bunch repo-ed
and
people about to get repo-ed out there with the economy as it is.

So are you placing pop up campers at the same comfort and quality
level as an Airstream?

If you recall, that was the base line set by the original poster.

Eh?

I am not putting down pop up campers............heck, I owned one
when
I was in college and it served my camping needs during those tough
financial years.

They are not the same popup anymore.


http://www.trailmanor.com/


You're right. As I told Loogy, I've one brother who is a pop up fan and
is
trying to talk me into one. As far as comfort, I'm sure they're every
bit
as comfortable as the 19' or 22' Airstream we're considering. But, it's
kind of like Mrs E's horse, if you recall. My wife is not into even
looking
at a popup.
--
John *H*

Actually the Trailmanor and Chalet's are not really a popup but called a
hybrid.


Hell, those damn Trailmanor's aren't cheap! They do look interesting
though. I wonder how all the erection machinery holds up over time.
--
John *H*

People I knew that had one, had no problems in 3 years.