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On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:38:20 -0400, JG2U wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:46:27 -0700 (PDT), JimH
wrote:

rec.head.up.the.ass

Great example of a members of JohnH's deputized possy trying to
improve the tone of rec.boats.

Like your daddy harry's "rec.off.topic" post in another thread?

What an idiot you are.

Please!
--
John *H*

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"John H." wrote in message
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The Airstreams we're considering are in the 4500lbs or less category. The
4Runner has a 7000lb max capacity, so I'm in the safe zone for the
4Runner.
I would definitely stay below 5000 lbs.

A small cooler in the 4Runner would cover drinks and sandwiches on the
road
(I don't eat lunch), and rest stops would suffice for bathrooms. We are
not
serious 'campers' but want to see the country. She's not seen very much of
the USA.


John, at the risk of inviting a bunch of arguments on this subject, I'll
still offer my opinion, as one who has done a considerable amount of towing
of various trailer types, ranging from a 37' fifth wheel, several boats,
loaded horse trailers, motorcycle trailers, etc.

There's more to safely and comfortably towing than the rated capacity of the
tow vehicle. It's braking, wheelbase, weight and weight distribution makes
a huge difference on how well it well tow and if you will feel comfortable
or be white knuckled doing so.

Your 4 Runner is too small to tow 4500lbs at highway speeds over long
distances. You really want a full sized, full wheelbase rig, preferably of
the F-250, (Ford) or 2500 series (GM) that have heavier duty suspensions.
Your 4 Runner may be fine for occasional, short distance towing, but not for
traveling long distances for hours at a time.

Just my opinion, based on many miles of experience.

Eisboch

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On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:12:56 -0400, Flibustier
wrote:

John H. wrote:



You're right. As I told Loogy, I've one brother who is a pop up fan and is
trying to talk me into one. As far as comfort, I'm sure they're every bit
as comfortable as the 19' or 22' Airstream we're considering. But, it's
kind of like Mrs E's horse, if you recall. My wife is not into even looking
at a popup.


Consider renting a travel trailer, class C motorhome and a popup, each
for a weekend over the next couple of months. You and your wife will
soon learn the advantages and disadvantages of each, making your buying
decision more informed.

FB

Thanks for the suggestion. Class C's are out. We are not going to be on the
road enough to warrant the expense and headaches associated with a Class A
or C. I could consider a Class B, like Eisboch's http://tinyurl.com/4vagta
because I could at least use it as another vehicle when not on the road. I
could take it to a golf course or the store, for example.


--
John *H*

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:32:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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The Airstreams we're considering are in the 4500lbs or less category. The
4Runner has a 7000lb max capacity, so I'm in the safe zone for the
4Runner.
I would definitely stay below 5000 lbs.

A small cooler in the 4Runner would cover drinks and sandwiches on the
road
(I don't eat lunch), and rest stops would suffice for bathrooms. We are
not
serious 'campers' but want to see the country. She's not seen very much of
the USA.


John, at the risk of inviting a bunch of arguments on this subject, I'll
still offer my opinion, as one who has done a considerable amount of towing
of various trailer types, ranging from a 37' fifth wheel, several boats,
loaded horse trailers, motorcycle trailers, etc.

There's more to safely and comfortably towing than the rated capacity of the
tow vehicle. It's braking, wheelbase, weight and weight distribution makes
a huge difference on how well it well tow and if you will feel comfortable
or be white knuckled doing so.

Your 4 Runner is too small to tow 4500lbs at highway speeds over long
distances. You really want a full sized, full wheelbase rig, preferably of
the F-250, (Ford) or 2500 series (GM) that have heavier duty suspensions.
Your 4 Runner may be fine for occasional, short distance towing, but not for
traveling long distances for hours at a time.

Just my opinion, based on many miles of experience.

Eisboch



Thanks for the input. I may have to drop down to the 3500 lb range. That
keeps me in the 17'-19' range, in the Airstream category. I think that's
probably doable.

I'm not into 'highway speeds' like I used to be. I'm comfortable doing 63
mph in the 65 zone. Actually, it's a much more relaxing way to go. I've
even slowed down on the motorcycle. At 65mph I get about 50 mph, but at 80
mph it will drop down to about 40 mpg.

Thanks for joining the discussion! If I were presented with a 'super' deal
on a certain style Class B, I could still be tempted! It's funny, neither
the Sprinter based Class B's nor the Airstreams seem to depreciate a whole
lot.

How's the new boat?
--
John *H*

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:32:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



Your 4 Runner is too small to tow 4500lbs at highway speeds over long
distances. You really want a full sized, full wheelbase rig, preferably
of
the F-250, (Ford) or 2500 series (GM) that have heavier duty suspensions.
Your 4 Runner may be fine for occasional, short distance towing, but not
for
traveling long distances for hours at a time.

Just my opinion, based on many miles of experience.

Eisboch





Thanks for the input. I may have to drop down to the 3500 lb range. That
keeps me in the 17'-19' range, in the Airstream category. I think that's
probably doable.

I'm not into 'highway speeds' like I used to be. I'm comfortable doing 63
mph in the 65 zone. Actually, it's a much more relaxing way to go. I've
even slowed down on the motorcycle. At 65mph I get about 50 mph, but at 80
mph it will drop down to about 40 mpg.

Thanks for joining the discussion! If I were presented with a 'super' deal
on a certain style Class B, I could still be tempted! It's funny, neither
the Sprinter based Class B's nor the Airstreams seem to depreciate a whole
lot.

How's the new boat?


We've decided we really like the Sprinter and will keep it. I am using it
more often for local trips, just to exercise it.
It's an amazing little vehicle .... lots of "pep", comfortable, yet still
gets relatively decent fuel mileage. Plus, it easily tows the Haulmark
trailer loaded with a motorcycle and other "stuff".

One thing I like is it's range. My little Ford Ranger gets 16-17 mpg
overall but because of the small tank it seems like I have to get gas every
week or less. The Sprinter gets 18-21 mpg, but because of the much larger
fuel tank I can drive it around for a month (locally) without having to
constantly stop to refuel.

The boat is still at the seller's marina on the NH/MA line. They are
supposed to be doing a couple of minor maintenance issues and replacing some
exhaust hoses, but they are at the peak of their "busy" season and it's
taking longer than expected to complete.
It should be ready this week for me to make the trip to Cape Cod.
Hopefully.

Eisboch

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:03:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:32:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



Your 4 Runner is too small to tow 4500lbs at highway speeds over long
distances. You really want a full sized, full wheelbase rig, preferably
of
the F-250, (Ford) or 2500 series (GM) that have heavier duty suspensions.
Your 4 Runner may be fine for occasional, short distance towing, but not
for
traveling long distances for hours at a time.

Just my opinion, based on many miles of experience.

Eisboch





Thanks for the input. I may have to drop down to the 3500 lb range. That
keeps me in the 17'-19' range, in the Airstream category. I think that's
probably doable.

I'm not into 'highway speeds' like I used to be. I'm comfortable doing 63
mph in the 65 zone. Actually, it's a much more relaxing way to go. I've
even slowed down on the motorcycle. At 65mph I get about 50 mph, but at 80
mph it will drop down to about 40 mpg.

Thanks for joining the discussion! If I were presented with a 'super' deal
on a certain style Class B, I could still be tempted! It's funny, neither
the Sprinter based Class B's nor the Airstreams seem to depreciate a whole
lot.

How's the new boat?


We've decided we really like the Sprinter and will keep it. I am using it
more often for local trips, just to exercise it.
It's an amazing little vehicle .... lots of "pep", comfortable, yet still
gets relatively decent fuel mileage. Plus, it easily tows the Haulmark
trailer loaded with a motorcycle and other "stuff".

One thing I like is it's range. My little Ford Ranger gets 16-17 mpg
overall but because of the small tank it seems like I have to get gas every
week or less. The Sprinter gets 18-21 mpg, but because of the much larger
fuel tank I can drive it around for a month (locally) without having to
constantly stop to refuel.

The boat is still at the seller's marina on the NH/MA line. They are
supposed to be doing a couple of minor maintenance issues and replacing some
exhaust hoses, but they are at the peak of their "busy" season and it's
taking longer than expected to complete.
It should be ready this week for me to make the trip to Cape Cod.
Hopefully.

Eisboch


You know, I may relook the Sprinter thing, and just get rid of one of our
other vehicles. You've had good luck towing the trailer. I wonder how the
thing would do towing a 3000lb boat/trailer and launching same. If I could
do that, I could get rid of the 4Runner. If not, then the Highlander would
have to go.

Decisions, decisions. Another advantage to a Class B is that I could park
it in front of the house. I can't park a trailer there for long or the
neighbors will complain. I don't like the idea of storing it in a lot where
it's subject to break-ins.

Hope the boat gets ready for pickup. Also hope to see lots of pictures!
--
John *H*

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On Jun 3, 12:57*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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On Jun 2, 10:12 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

....

On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote:
On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote:
Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering
a
small
Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent
quality.
--
John *H*

Check these:
http://www.trailmanor.com/

One of my favorites:

http://www.hilotrailer.com/

Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no
matter
how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting
to
look
at Coachmen (man?).
--
John *H*

Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that
the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy as
hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of the
largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more
than he does.......

A popup. *ROTF!!!!!!!!

Yup, they come as 5th wheels, hard sided, extendable, etc. *Saves lots in
fuel while towing. *The Chalet is a completely hardsided unit. *And to
make
it on topic for boats, I have a slide in pop-up camper for the truck so I
can tow the boat when we go to remote lakes camping.
Thewww.palominorv.com
Bronco B-800 was fine for a 7 week trip to Alaska 2 years ago. *Got 15
mpg
for the complete trip with a 2004 Diesel Chevy. *Buddy with the same
model
truck and a 30' 5th wheel got about 11 mpg on the trip. *Lots less air
drag
and not the top heavy unit like a Lance. *My Son in law has a Four Wheel
Camper popup on his Tundra. *http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/Onlyweighs
about 800#. *Aluminum frame. *The Airstreams are overpriced. *Paying for
the
name. *Look at used travel trailers, there has to be a bunch repo-ed and
people about to get repo-ed out there with the economy as it is.

So are you placing pop up campers at the same comfort and quality
level as an Airstream?

If you recall, that was the base line set by the original poster.

Eh?

I am not putting down pop up campers............heck, I owned one when
I was in college and it served my camping needs during those tough
financial years.

They are not the same popup anymore.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

JimH is just doing the same old same old. Just like Harry, if he
doesn't have one, it's not worth owning.

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"John H." wrote in message
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You know, I may relook the Sprinter thing, and just get rid of one of our
other vehicles. You've had good luck towing the trailer. I wonder how the
thing would do towing a 3000lb boat/trailer and launching same. If I could
do that, I could get rid of the 4Runner. If not, then the Highlander would
have to go.

Decisions, decisions. Another advantage to a Class B is that I could park
it in front of the house. I can't park a trailer there for long or the
neighbors will complain. I don't like the idea of storing it in a lot
where
it's subject to break-ins.

Hope the boat gets ready for pickup. Also hope to see lots of pictures!


It would easily tow it. Launching/retrieving might be interesting and
dependent on the design and condition of the launch ramp, but I don't see
why it would be a problem. The Sprinter is basically a European Van ....
similar in purpose to Ford's E-250 Econoline Van or GM's 2500 Van offerings.
It replaced the Dodge 1500, 2500 and 3500 series of vans.

I mentioned this before, but just to repeat, the newer Class "C" Sprinters
with the heavier (14,500 lb) GVW are rated to tow 3500 lbs. Ironically, the
one we have, with the single rear wheels and 8500 lb GVW is rated to tow
5000 lbs. The most I've towed is probably about 3000 lbs ( Haulmark
trailer loaded with motorcycle, and "stuff") and it handles it effortlessly.
I've done the same using the little Ranger (which is the heavy duty "Level
II" model) and there is no comparison. The Ranger is rated to tow up to
6000 lbs with a weight distribution hitch or 3500 lbs regular, but I'd never
try it. Something to keep in mind.

Eisboch

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John H. wrote:
Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small
Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality.


Off topic crap.

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JG2U wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:46:27 -0700 (PDT), JimH
wrote:

rec.head.up.the.ass
Great example of a members of JohnH's deputized possy trying to
improve the tone of rec.boats.

Like your daddy harry's "rec.off.topic" post in another thread?

What an idiot you are.


Another rec.boats snot