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Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small
Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* |
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"John H." wrote in message ... Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Airstreams used to be a first rate trailer. I don't know if the quality has been maintained since Thor bought them out. They are still priced above their worth though. Just my opinion. There is another retro looking aluminum trailer that you might want to look at that looks like airstream Avion if I am not mistaken. Also you don't want to get one of those aluminum trailers caught in a hail storm unless you want it dimpled like a golf ball. What if you wanted to bring your boat or bike with you. The bike might fit in your truck if you are brave enough to drive it up a steep ramp. Or you could get a fifth wheel toy hauler. Or you could get a motorhome toy hauler and tow your boat behind it. Happy hunting. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Airstreams used to be a first rate trailer. I don't know if the quality has been maintained since Thor bought them out. They are still priced above their worth though. Just my opinion. There is another retro looking aluminum trailer that you might want to look at that looks like airstream Avion if I am not mistaken. Also you don't want to get one of those aluminum trailers caught in a hail storm unless you want it dimpled like a golf ball. What if you wanted to bring your boat or bike with you. The bike might fit in your truck if you are brave enough to drive it up a steep ramp. Or you could get a fifth wheel toy hauler. Or you could get a motorhome toy hauler and tow your boat behind it. Happy hunting. Was rec.boats, now rec.boats.travel.trailers |
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On Jun 2, 6:34*am, John H. wrote:
Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ |
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On Jun 2, 6:34*am, John H. wrote:
Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* I see that apparently for some, it's just horrible to talk about any other recreation other than boats here. Funny, though, if you go to Chuck's site, you'll see that the topic du jour is national ID cards and constitutional rights!!!! |
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wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* I see that apparently for some, it's just horrible to talk about any other recreation other than boats here. Funny, though, if you go to Chuck's site, you'll see that the topic du jour is national ID cards and constitutional rights!!!! Actually, the hot topic over there right now is suicide knobs. I guess we are held to a higher standard over here. That forum has been a big disappointment so far. You can't let the inmates run the asylum. Chuck needs to regain control and put a stop to the nonsense if he wants to make a go of it. |
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wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* I see that apparently for some, it's just horrible to talk about any other recreation other than boats here. Funny, though, if you go to Chuck's site, you'll see that the topic du jour is national ID cards and constitutional rights!!!! Actually, the hot topic over there right now is suicide knobs. I guess we are held to a higher standard over here. That forum has been a big disappointment so far. You can't let the inmates run the asylum. Chuck needs to regain control and put a stop to the nonsense if he wants to make a go of it. I'm sure it annoys bottom feeders like you and Loogy that Chuck has a site where most of the posts relate to boating issues, and that losers like you aren't making much headway in your mission to turn everything into crap. |
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On Jun 2, 1:11*pm, "Jim" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* I see that apparently for some, it's just horrible to talk about any other recreation other than boats here. Funny, though, if you go to Chuck's site, you'll see that the topic du jour is national ID cards and constitutional rights!!!! Actually, the hot topic over there right now is suicide knobs. I guess we are held to a higher standard over here. That forum has been a big disappointment so far. You can't let the inmates run the asylum. Chuck needs to regain control and put a stop to the nonsense if he wants to make a go of it. Why are you's guys talking about that group.. Just stop it please...Again, do you think you are telling anyone, anything we don't already know.. And if we don't know, you should understand it is because we just don't care what they are doing over there. C'mon Loogie, knock it off.. we just don't care... |
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On Jun 2, 1:11*pm, "Jim" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* I see that apparently for some, it's just horrible to talk about any other recreation other than boats here. Funny, though, if you go to Chuck's site, you'll see that the topic du jour is national ID cards and constitutional rights!!!! Actually, the hot topic over there right now is suicide knobs. I guess we are held to a higher standard over here. That forum has been a big disappointment so far. You can't let the inmates run the asylum. Chuck needs to regain control and put a stop to the nonsense if he wants to make a go of it. if you guys don't stop, I will be forced to dig up some more old boating pics.. |
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On Jun 2, 1:11 pm, "Jim" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* I see that apparently for some, it's just horrible to talk about any other recreation other than boats here. Funny, though, if you go to Chuck's site, you'll see that the topic du jour is national ID cards and constitutional rights!!!! Actually, the hot topic over there right now is suicide knobs. I guess we are held to a higher standard over here. That forum has been a big disappointment so far. You can't let the inmates run the asylum. Chuck needs to regain control and put a stop to the nonsense if he wants to make a go of it. The only *contributions* I have read from you over there are trolls and insults. My guess is you will be the next one to be banned as you cannot behave like an adult. That other place and the members there are the main topics of discussion here along with travel trailers fund raising, politics and Nascar. Boats are the main topic of discussion at the other place and this place is never mentioned. Now where is the problem Jim? Think about it and get back with me in the morning. Have a nice day. |
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On Jun 2, 1:11 pm, "Jim" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* I see that apparently for some, it's just horrible to talk about any other recreation other than boats here. Funny, though, if you go to Chuck's site, you'll see that the topic du jour is national ID cards and constitutional rights!!!! Actually, the hot topic over there right now is suicide knobs. I guess we are held to a higher standard over here. That forum has been a big disappointment so far. You can't let the inmates run the asylum. Chuck needs to regain control and put a stop to the nonsense if he wants to make a go of it. The only *contributions* I have read from you over there are trolls and insults. My guess is you will be the next one to be banned as you cannot behave like an adult. That other place and the members there are the main topics of discussion here along with travel trailers fund raising, politics and Nascar. Boats are the main topic of discussion at the other place and this place is never mentioned. Now where is the problem Jim? Think about it and get back with me in the morning. Have a nice day. Indeed, Florida Jim is dragging his bait of petty little trolls and insults... |
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On Jun 2, 4:02*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34*am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Man, to bad. Those things are the cats meow man... |
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On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* ROTF! Loogie recommended a pop top camper when you were interested in Airstreams? I am surprised he did not recommend one of these: http://www.olive-drab.com/images/she...alf_canvas.jpg |
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wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Man, to bad. Those things are the cats meow man... By coinencidence, yesterday morning i ran into an old neighbour while walking the dod at a local park. (He has a Brittany Spaniel vs my English Springer Spaniel) Anyway, he told me he works for a local RV place now and we got to talking RVs. He said for his personal choice, he'd go for a 5th wheel setup. Of course, that entire package would be a bit rich for me. |
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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). rec.off.topic |
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On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Man, to bad. Those things are the cats meow man... rec.off.topic |
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:11:23 -0400, "Jim" wrote:
Actually, the hot topic over there right now is suicide knobs. Edson makes a marine steering wheel with a fold out suicide knob. Casady |
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:11:23 -0400, "Jim" wrote: Actually, the hot topic over there right now is suicide knobs. Edson makes a marine steering wheel with a fold out suicide knob. Casady Edson makes some nice wheels, with and without the knob. I'm going to install the Edson knob I have and give it a whirl. I forgot I had one; bought it at a fishing/boating gear sale last year at one of the local firehouses. |
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On Jun 2, 4:02*pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34*am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy as hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of the largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more than he does....... |
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On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote:
On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy as hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of the largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more than he does....... A popup. ROTF!!!!!!!! |
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On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy as hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of the largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more than he does....... I've got a family of raccoons living in the woods behind my house. I'm sure they're all smarter than you are. |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 10:12 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote: On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy as hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of the largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more than he does....... A popup. ROTF!!!!!!!! Yup, they come as 5th wheels, hard sided, extendable, etc. Saves lots in fuel while towing. The Chalet is a completely hardsided unit. And to make it on topic for boats, I have a slide in pop-up camper for the truck so I can tow the boat when we go to remote lakes camping. Thewww.palominorv.com Bronco B-800 was fine for a 7 week trip to Alaska 2 years ago. Got 15 mpg for the complete trip with a 2004 Diesel Chevy. Buddy with the same model truck and a 30' 5th wheel got about 11 mpg on the trip. Lots less air drag and not the top heavy unit like a Lance. My Son in law has a Four Wheel Camper popup on his Tundra. http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/Only weighs about 800#. Aluminum frame. The Airstreams are overpriced. Paying for the name. Look at used travel trailers, there has to be a bunch repo-ed and people about to get repo-ed out there with the economy as it is. So are you placing pop up campers at the same comfort and quality level as an Airstream? If you recall, that was the base line set by the original poster. Eh? I am not putting down pop up campers............heck, I owned one when I was in college and it served my camping needs during those tough financial years. They are not the same popup anymore. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 10:12 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote: On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy as hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of the largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more than he does....... A popup. ROTF!!!!!!!! Yup, they come as 5th wheels, hard sided, extendable, etc. Saves lots in fuel while towing. The Chalet is a completely hardsided unit. And to make it on topic for boats, I have a slide in pop-up camper for the truck so I can tow the boat when we go to remote lakes camping. Thewww.palominorv.com Bronco B-800 was fine for a 7 week trip to Alaska 2 years ago. Got 15 mpg for the complete trip with a 2004 Diesel Chevy. Buddy with the same model truck and a 30' 5th wheel got about 11 mpg on the trip. Lots less air drag and not the top heavy unit like a Lance. My Son in law has a Four Wheel Camper popup on his Tundra. http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/Only weighs about 800#. Aluminum frame. The Airstreams are overpriced. Paying for the name. Look at used travel trailers, there has to be a bunch repo-ed and people about to get repo-ed out there with the economy as it is. So are you placing pop up campers at the same comfort and quality level as an Airstream? If you recall, that was the base line set by the original poster. Eh? I am not putting down pop up campers............heck, I owned one when I was in college and it served my camping needs during those tough financial years. They are not the same popup anymore. http://www.trailmanor.com/ |
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"JG2U" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:30:43 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: I am not putting down pop up campers............heck, I owned one when I was in college and it served my camping needs during those tough financial years. That was like, 30-40 years ago, so it makes sense that they have improved over the years. We now have DTMF dialed phones, cassette tapes, FM radio, and all sorts of other improvements. Amazing. Don't leave Usenet off that list. |
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:12:28 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote: On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy as hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of the largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more than he does....... A popup. ROTF!!!!!!!! Yup, they come as 5th wheels, hard sided, extendable, etc. Saves lots in fuel while towing. The Chalet is a completely hardsided unit. And to make it on topic for boats, I have a slide in pop-up camper for the truck so I can tow the boat when we go to remote lakes camping. The www.palominorv.com Bronco B-800 was fine for a 7 week trip to Alaska 2 years ago. Got 15 mpg for the complete trip with a 2004 Diesel Chevy. Buddy with the same model truck and a 30' 5th wheel got about 11 mpg on the trip. Lots less air drag and not the top heavy unit like a Lance. My Son in law has a Four Wheel Camper popup on his Tundra. http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/ Only weighs about 800#. Aluminum frame. The Airstreams are overpriced. Paying for the name. Look at used travel trailers, there has to be a bunch repo-ed and people about to get repo-ed out there with the economy as it is. I agree that Airstreams are over priced, but try to find a bargain in used ones! Hell, the used ones sell for damn near the same price as the new ones, unless it's twenty years old. -- John *H* |
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:17:30 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message om... "JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 10:12 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote: On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy as hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of the largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more than he does....... A popup. ROTF!!!!!!!! Yup, they come as 5th wheels, hard sided, extendable, etc. Saves lots in fuel while towing. The Chalet is a completely hardsided unit. And to make it on topic for boats, I have a slide in pop-up camper for the truck so I can tow the boat when we go to remote lakes camping. Thewww.palominorv.com Bronco B-800 was fine for a 7 week trip to Alaska 2 years ago. Got 15 mpg for the complete trip with a 2004 Diesel Chevy. Buddy with the same model truck and a 30' 5th wheel got about 11 mpg on the trip. Lots less air drag and not the top heavy unit like a Lance. My Son in law has a Four Wheel Camper popup on his Tundra. http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/Only weighs about 800#. Aluminum frame. The Airstreams are overpriced. Paying for the name. Look at used travel trailers, there has to be a bunch repo-ed and people about to get repo-ed out there with the economy as it is. So are you placing pop up campers at the same comfort and quality level as an Airstream? If you recall, that was the base line set by the original poster. Eh? I am not putting down pop up campers............heck, I owned one when I was in college and it served my camping needs during those tough financial years. They are not the same popup anymore. http://www.trailmanor.com/ You're right. As I told Loogy, I've one brother who is a pop up fan and is trying to talk me into one. As far as comfort, I'm sure they're every bit as comfortable as the 19' or 22' Airstream we're considering. But, it's kind of like Mrs E's horse, if you recall. My wife is not into even looking at a popup. -- John *H* |
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:52:30 -0400, JG2U wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:16:09 -0400, John H. wrote: Then I made the second big mistake. To show my wife how nice trailers could be, I took her to an Airstream dealer. I should have taken her to a pop up place first! Yep, they can be nice. The downside is that you have to have something larger than your 4runner to tow a decent trailer with. With a class A motor home, you have the grunt you need to move it down the road, only when you need it. You can tow a small, gas efficient vehicle behind that can otherwise be used for everyday transport. While driving down the road, your wife can use the bathroom, dry her hair, make you a sandwich and drink, and relax while you drive her to the destination. With a trailer, you have to drive, or park, a big tow vehicle on a daily basis while you're not using the camper. Big cost and burden even when not camping. Your 4runner is not going to cut it. The smallest Airstream is sneaking up on your 4runner's max towing capacity. Serious "campers" do the motor-home deal. If you're going to do short distances a couple of time a year, try the trailer. If you are serious about camping, the motor-home is the answer. On the plus side, RV's are selling for cheap right now. Have fun. The Airstreams we're considering are in the 4500lbs or less category. The 4Runner has a 7000lb max capacity, so I'm in the safe zone for the 4Runner. I would definitely stay below 5000 lbs. A small cooler in the 4Runner would cover drinks and sandwiches on the road (I don't eat lunch), and rest stops would suffice for bathrooms. We are not serious 'campers' but want to see the country. She's not seen very much of the USA. -- John *H* |
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You're right. As I told Loogy, I've one brother who is a pop up fan and is trying to talk me into one. As far as comfort, I'm sure they're every bit as comfortable as the 19' or 22' Airstream we're considering. But, it's kind of like Mrs E's horse, if you recall. My wife is not into even looking at a popup. Consider renting a travel trailer, class C motorhome and a popup, each for a weekend over the next couple of months. You and your wife will soon learn the advantages and disadvantages of each, making your buying decision more informed. FB |
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:54:03 -0400, JG2U wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:55:53 -0400, HK wrote: D.Duck wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Richard Casady wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:11:23 -0400, "Jim" wrote: Actually, the hot topic over there right now is suicide knobs. Edson makes a marine steering wheel with a fold out suicide knob. Casady Edson makes some nice wheels, with and without the knob. I'm going to install the Edson knob I have and give it a whirl. I forgot I had one; bought it at a fishing/boating gear sale last year at one of the local firehouses. At what position on the wheel do you installed it? This should bring about as many opinions as there are degrees in a circle. The instruction sheet sez between 1 and 2 o'clock if you are a righty, and 10 and 11 o'clock if you are a lefty. I am, of course, a lefty. :) So you and JohnH are both lefties. Figures. I don't know what the instruction sheet says. I am right handed and like to have it free to mess with the sounder, gps, radio, drinks, etc. and therefore use my left hand to hold the wheel. The wheel, on my boat, is on the port side of the console, so using the left hand comes naturally. -- John *H* |
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:38:20 -0400, JG2U wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:46:27 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: rec.head.up.the.ass Great example of a members of JohnH's deputized possy trying to improve the tone of rec.boats. Like your daddy harry's "rec.off.topic" post in another thread? What an idiot you are. Please! -- John *H* |
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"John H." wrote in message ... The Airstreams we're considering are in the 4500lbs or less category. The 4Runner has a 7000lb max capacity, so I'm in the safe zone for the 4Runner. I would definitely stay below 5000 lbs. A small cooler in the 4Runner would cover drinks and sandwiches on the road (I don't eat lunch), and rest stops would suffice for bathrooms. We are not serious 'campers' but want to see the country. She's not seen very much of the USA. John, at the risk of inviting a bunch of arguments on this subject, I'll still offer my opinion, as one who has done a considerable amount of towing of various trailer types, ranging from a 37' fifth wheel, several boats, loaded horse trailers, motorcycle trailers, etc. There's more to safely and comfortably towing than the rated capacity of the tow vehicle. It's braking, wheelbase, weight and weight distribution makes a huge difference on how well it well tow and if you will feel comfortable or be white knuckled doing so. Your 4 Runner is too small to tow 4500lbs at highway speeds over long distances. You really want a full sized, full wheelbase rig, preferably of the F-250, (Ford) or 2500 series (GM) that have heavier duty suspensions. Your 4 Runner may be fine for occasional, short distance towing, but not for traveling long distances for hours at a time. Just my opinion, based on many miles of experience. Eisboch |
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:12:56 -0400, Flibustier
wrote: John H. wrote: You're right. As I told Loogy, I've one brother who is a pop up fan and is trying to talk me into one. As far as comfort, I'm sure they're every bit as comfortable as the 19' or 22' Airstream we're considering. But, it's kind of like Mrs E's horse, if you recall. My wife is not into even looking at a popup. Consider renting a travel trailer, class C motorhome and a popup, each for a weekend over the next couple of months. You and your wife will soon learn the advantages and disadvantages of each, making your buying decision more informed. FB Thanks for the suggestion. Class C's are out. We are not going to be on the road enough to warrant the expense and headaches associated with a Class A or C. I could consider a Class B, like Eisboch's http://tinyurl.com/4vagta because I could at least use it as another vehicle when not on the road. I could take it to a golf course or the store, for example. -- John *H* |
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:32:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . The Airstreams we're considering are in the 4500lbs or less category. The 4Runner has a 7000lb max capacity, so I'm in the safe zone for the 4Runner. I would definitely stay below 5000 lbs. A small cooler in the 4Runner would cover drinks and sandwiches on the road (I don't eat lunch), and rest stops would suffice for bathrooms. We are not serious 'campers' but want to see the country. She's not seen very much of the USA. John, at the risk of inviting a bunch of arguments on this subject, I'll still offer my opinion, as one who has done a considerable amount of towing of various trailer types, ranging from a 37' fifth wheel, several boats, loaded horse trailers, motorcycle trailers, etc. There's more to safely and comfortably towing than the rated capacity of the tow vehicle. It's braking, wheelbase, weight and weight distribution makes a huge difference on how well it well tow and if you will feel comfortable or be white knuckled doing so. Your 4 Runner is too small to tow 4500lbs at highway speeds over long distances. You really want a full sized, full wheelbase rig, preferably of the F-250, (Ford) or 2500 series (GM) that have heavier duty suspensions. Your 4 Runner may be fine for occasional, short distance towing, but not for traveling long distances for hours at a time. Just my opinion, based on many miles of experience. Eisboch Thanks for the input. I may have to drop down to the 3500 lb range. That keeps me in the 17'-19' range, in the Airstream category. I think that's probably doable. I'm not into 'highway speeds' like I used to be. I'm comfortable doing 63 mph in the 65 zone. Actually, it's a much more relaxing way to go. I've even slowed down on the motorcycle. At 65mph I get about 50 mph, but at 80 mph it will drop down to about 40 mpg. Thanks for joining the discussion! If I were presented with a 'super' deal on a certain style Class B, I could still be tempted! It's funny, neither the Sprinter based Class B's nor the Airstreams seem to depreciate a whole lot. How's the new boat? -- John *H* |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:32:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Your 4 Runner is too small to tow 4500lbs at highway speeds over long distances. You really want a full sized, full wheelbase rig, preferably of the F-250, (Ford) or 2500 series (GM) that have heavier duty suspensions. Your 4 Runner may be fine for occasional, short distance towing, but not for traveling long distances for hours at a time. Just my opinion, based on many miles of experience. Eisboch Thanks for the input. I may have to drop down to the 3500 lb range. That keeps me in the 17'-19' range, in the Airstream category. I think that's probably doable. I'm not into 'highway speeds' like I used to be. I'm comfortable doing 63 mph in the 65 zone. Actually, it's a much more relaxing way to go. I've even slowed down on the motorcycle. At 65mph I get about 50 mph, but at 80 mph it will drop down to about 40 mpg. Thanks for joining the discussion! If I were presented with a 'super' deal on a certain style Class B, I could still be tempted! It's funny, neither the Sprinter based Class B's nor the Airstreams seem to depreciate a whole lot. How's the new boat? We've decided we really like the Sprinter and will keep it. I am using it more often for local trips, just to exercise it. It's an amazing little vehicle .... lots of "pep", comfortable, yet still gets relatively decent fuel mileage. Plus, it easily tows the Haulmark trailer loaded with a motorcycle and other "stuff". One thing I like is it's range. My little Ford Ranger gets 16-17 mpg overall but because of the small tank it seems like I have to get gas every week or less. The Sprinter gets 18-21 mpg, but because of the much larger fuel tank I can drive it around for a month (locally) without having to constantly stop to refuel. The boat is still at the seller's marina on the NH/MA line. They are supposed to be doing a couple of minor maintenance issues and replacing some exhaust hoses, but they are at the peak of their "busy" season and it's taking longer than expected to complete. It should be ready this week for me to make the trip to Cape Cod. Hopefully. Eisboch |
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:03:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:32:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Your 4 Runner is too small to tow 4500lbs at highway speeds over long distances. You really want a full sized, full wheelbase rig, preferably of the F-250, (Ford) or 2500 series (GM) that have heavier duty suspensions. Your 4 Runner may be fine for occasional, short distance towing, but not for traveling long distances for hours at a time. Just my opinion, based on many miles of experience. Eisboch Thanks for the input. I may have to drop down to the 3500 lb range. That keeps me in the 17'-19' range, in the Airstream category. I think that's probably doable. I'm not into 'highway speeds' like I used to be. I'm comfortable doing 63 mph in the 65 zone. Actually, it's a much more relaxing way to go. I've even slowed down on the motorcycle. At 65mph I get about 50 mph, but at 80 mph it will drop down to about 40 mpg. Thanks for joining the discussion! If I were presented with a 'super' deal on a certain style Class B, I could still be tempted! It's funny, neither the Sprinter based Class B's nor the Airstreams seem to depreciate a whole lot. How's the new boat? We've decided we really like the Sprinter and will keep it. I am using it more often for local trips, just to exercise it. It's an amazing little vehicle .... lots of "pep", comfortable, yet still gets relatively decent fuel mileage. Plus, it easily tows the Haulmark trailer loaded with a motorcycle and other "stuff". One thing I like is it's range. My little Ford Ranger gets 16-17 mpg overall but because of the small tank it seems like I have to get gas every week or less. The Sprinter gets 18-21 mpg, but because of the much larger fuel tank I can drive it around for a month (locally) without having to constantly stop to refuel. The boat is still at the seller's marina on the NH/MA line. They are supposed to be doing a couple of minor maintenance issues and replacing some exhaust hoses, but they are at the peak of their "busy" season and it's taking longer than expected to complete. It should be ready this week for me to make the trip to Cape Cod. Hopefully. Eisboch You know, I may relook the Sprinter thing, and just get rid of one of our other vehicles. You've had good luck towing the trailer. I wonder how the thing would do towing a 3000lb boat/trailer and launching same. If I could do that, I could get rid of the 4Runner. If not, then the Highlander would have to go. Decisions, decisions. Another advantage to a Class B is that I could park it in front of the house. I can't park a trailer there for long or the neighbors will complain. I don't like the idea of storing it in a lot where it's subject to break-ins. Hope the boat gets ready for pickup. Also hope to see lots of pictures! -- John *H* |
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On Jun 3, 12:57*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... On Jun 2, 10:12 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message .... On Jun 2, 6:08 pm, wrote: On Jun 2, 4:02 pm, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jun 2, 6:34 am, John H. wrote: Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. -- John *H* Check these: http://www.trailmanor.com/ One of my favorites: http://www.hilotrailer.com/ Thanks Loogy, but I can't get the wife interested in a 'pop top' no matter how fancy. She thinks Airstreams are the way to go, and I'm wanting to look at Coachmen (man?). -- John *H* Listen to the village idiot Hertvick!! He doesn't even realize that the "pop tops" I've mentioned are first class. Airstreams are heavy as hell. I've got a guy lives down the street that works for one of the largest RV places in the Atlanta area, but I'm sure Jim knows more than he does....... A popup. *ROTF!!!!!!!! Yup, they come as 5th wheels, hard sided, extendable, etc. *Saves lots in fuel while towing. *The Chalet is a completely hardsided unit. *And to make it on topic for boats, I have a slide in pop-up camper for the truck so I can tow the boat when we go to remote lakes camping. Thewww.palominorv.com Bronco B-800 was fine for a 7 week trip to Alaska 2 years ago. *Got 15 mpg for the complete trip with a 2004 Diesel Chevy. *Buddy with the same model truck and a 30' 5th wheel got about 11 mpg on the trip. *Lots less air drag and not the top heavy unit like a Lance. *My Son in law has a Four Wheel Camper popup on his Tundra. *http://www.fourwheelcampers.com/Onlyweighs about 800#. *Aluminum frame. *The Airstreams are overpriced. *Paying for the name. *Look at used travel trailers, there has to be a bunch repo-ed and people about to get repo-ed out there with the economy as it is. So are you placing pop up campers at the same comfort and quality level as an Airstream? If you recall, that was the base line set by the original poster. Eh? I am not putting down pop up campers............heck, I owned one when I was in college and it served my camping needs during those tough financial years. They are not the same popup anymore.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - JimH is just doing the same old same old. Just like Harry, if he doesn't have one, it's not worth owning. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... You know, I may relook the Sprinter thing, and just get rid of one of our other vehicles. You've had good luck towing the trailer. I wonder how the thing would do towing a 3000lb boat/trailer and launching same. If I could do that, I could get rid of the 4Runner. If not, then the Highlander would have to go. Decisions, decisions. Another advantage to a Class B is that I could park it in front of the house. I can't park a trailer there for long or the neighbors will complain. I don't like the idea of storing it in a lot where it's subject to break-ins. Hope the boat gets ready for pickup. Also hope to see lots of pictures! It would easily tow it. Launching/retrieving might be interesting and dependent on the design and condition of the launch ramp, but I don't see why it would be a problem. The Sprinter is basically a European Van .... similar in purpose to Ford's E-250 Econoline Van or GM's 2500 Van offerings. It replaced the Dodge 1500, 2500 and 3500 series of vans. I mentioned this before, but just to repeat, the newer Class "C" Sprinters with the heavier (14,500 lb) GVW are rated to tow 3500 lbs. Ironically, the one we have, with the single rear wheels and 8500 lb GVW is rated to tow 5000 lbs. The most I've towed is probably about 3000 lbs ( Haulmark trailer loaded with motorcycle, and "stuff") and it handles it effortlessly. I've done the same using the little Ranger (which is the heavy duty "Level II" model) and there is no comparison. The Ranger is rated to tow up to 6000 lbs with a weight distribution hitch or 3500 lbs regular, but I'd never try it. Something to keep in mind. Eisboch |
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John H. wrote:
Anyone have one, or know anything about them. We are considering a small Airstream, but wondering if there are other brands of decent quality. Off topic crap. |
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JG2U wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:46:27 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: rec.head.up.the.ass Great example of a members of JohnH's deputized possy trying to improve the tone of rec.boats. Like your daddy harry's "rec.off.topic" post in another thread? What an idiot you are. Another rec.boats snot |
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