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On Tue, 6 May 2008 22:44:59 -0700, Mark Borgerson
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I would have thought that long term offshore operations in a 110-foot
vessel would be problematic in any case. That seems way too small
for Pacific winter conditions. At various times, I've felt that
a 312-foot DE and a 175-foot oceanographic research vessel were too
small for winter condition in the North Pacific.

We bounced around in the North Atlantic in the winter in 311 foot AVPs
(WWII sea plane tenders). That was back in the days when the CG was
looking for Russian subs under the guise of "weather patrols" or "air
sea rescue".
These things were originally built to sit in a sheltered lagoon and
fuel PBYs until s aub sunk them. They didn't expect them to last the
whole war.
We survived.

The Flower class corvettes were only 200 feet long and were expected to
operate in the North Atlantic in all conditions.

Even the USN operated a dozen or so of them...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

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On Tue, 6 May 2008 22:44:59 -0700, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

I would have thought that long term offshore operations in a 110-foot
vessel would be problematic in any case. That seems way too small
for Pacific winter conditions. At various times, I've felt that
a 312-foot DE and a 175-foot oceanographic research vessel were too
small for winter condition in the North Pacific.

We bounced around in the North Atlantic in the winter in 311 foot AVPs
(WWII sea plane tenders). That was back in the days when the CG was
looking for Russian subs under the guise of "weather patrols" or "air
sea rescue".
These things were originally built to sit in a sheltered lagoon and
fuel PBYs until s aub sunk them. They didn't expect them to last the
whole war.
We survived.

The Flower class corvettes were only 200 feet long and were expected to
operate in the North Atlantic in all conditions.

Even the USN operated a dozen or so of them...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.


The Flowers were said to be able to "roll on wet grass".
They were uncomfortable in almost anything other than a dead flat calm.
The design was based on whalecatchers that operated in the Southern Ocean -
some of the wildest water on earth!

"William Black" wrote in message
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The Flower class corvettes were only 200 feet long and were expected to
operate in the North Atlantic in all conditions.

Even the USN operated a dozen or so of them...

--
William Black



If you want to see one up close... the father-in-law sailed on this one
after his Norwegian boat came here to avoid being taken over by the Germans.
http://www.hmcssackville-cnmt.ns.ca/history.html

With some modern refinements, why dont' they re-issue some of these?

they seemed to work pretty good...

http://nhs.needham.k12.ma.us/cur/wwI...-04/h97974.jpg

For their size, these wern't bad, either...

http://hnsa.org/ships/img/pbrmkiigen1.jpg

On May 7, 10:14*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2008 18:09:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim
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For their size, these wern't bad, either...

http://hnsa.org/ships/img/pbrmkiigen1.jpg

PT boats and PBRs

Neither one of those would last 10 minutes in a north atlantic blow.
I understand the Corvettes. The CG had some 210s that they ran weather
patrols with too but usually in the south atlantic.
(you can see one in the Sinatra movie "assault on a queen")


hmm, Well, I know you're right, but I was thinking the pacific coast
and the Great lakes

writes:

Here in SW Fla they seem to like RIBs for small boats.

The RIBs seem to have largely supplanted the sleek 41-
footers that came into service in the late Seventies.


They do have a "Point" cutter.

Cutters with "Point" names were originally 82-foot
patrol boats. I'm not sure whether some of the names
have been transferred to the new 87s, or some of the
82s are still around, or both.

(There was a contemporary class of 95-footers, all of
which are gone now. Their names begane with "Cape.")



Geoff

--
"The future stretches before us, brown and sticky, like the
broad smile of a mongoloid eating peanut butter off a spoon."
-- snide

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writes:

Here in SW Fla they seem to like RIBs for small boats.

The RIBs seem to have largely supplanted the sleek 41-
footers that came into service in the late Seventies.


Here on the West Coast, RIBs may be used for harbor patrols,
but most work past the entrance bar is done with larger
vessels, including the 47-foot motor life boat. These boats
are designed for short-duration rescue missions, rather than
long-term offshore patrols.

They do have a "Point" cutter.

Cutters with "Point" names were originally 82-foot
patrol boats. I'm not sure whether some of the names
have been transferred to the new 87s, or some of the
82s are still around, or both.

(There was a contemporary class of 95-footers, all of
which are gone now. Their names begane with "Cape.")



Mark Borgerson

writes:

The CG had some 210s that they ran weather patrols with too
but usually in the south atlantic.

They still do. The 210s underwent a modernization program
within the last decade or so.


(you can see one in the Sinatra movie "assault on a queen")

And in "The Island" (the 1980 film with Michael Caine, not
the 2005 one), as well as in the 1978 TV film, "The Defection
Of Simas Kudirka."



Geoff

--
"The future stretches before us, brown and sticky, like the
broad smile of a mongoloid eating peanut butter off a spoon."
-- snide