4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:45:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Couldn't get me to buy a boat with an I/O.

They're OK if you store out of the water.



"OK" is only...OK.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

John wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Good one.

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for
the buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing with
the ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple people
the same time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are just in
the way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating.
I/o's are a bad choice if you're going to leave it in a slip full time
though.

AGREE, in-land, trailer boating, the i/o is the way to go. But like you
said, if left in the water an outboard is better, because all of the
water drains out when you trim it up.

There are many other reasons to pick an outboard over an I/O. One is that
the outboard doesn't have that rubber gasket...

This is a classic "funny line" : " Outboards are just in the
way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating."

All you guys using outboards for "recreational boating," well, you're all
wrong, wrong, wrong. :)

LOL - didn't read it that way but you have a point. About the only big
advantage that the i/o has is that the top of the outboard is not in the
way. BUT, with a bunch of kids in and out of the boat or the teenage
bathing beauties lying about, the additional floor space, the flat deck
behind the rear seat, and the diving platform across the whole back ARE HUGE
advantages.




I've never owned an I/O, but, like "Reggie," I've read about them!

Seriously, I suppose they have their place, but there's not much about
I/O's that have appeal for me. Were I a "freshwater" boater, maybe I'd
feel differently.

I don't like that rubber gasket protruding below the water line. I don't
like the fact that the drive unit doesn't lift completely out of the
water. I don't like the extra change in direction from the engine to the
drive to the propeller. I don't like giving up space inside the boat for
the engine box. I don't like the weight of that engine against the
stern, although with the huge outboards now available, the outboard
weight advantage is disappearing. I don't like the manifold maintenance
on an I/O.

Some years ago, I asked one of the Parker Boats family why the company
had dropped the I/O option on several of its pilot house boats, because
the I/O models were fairly popular. Parker offered a diesel I/O. The
response was, "with the new high horsepower four strokes, the advantages
of the diesel are pretty much gone." Well, I agree with that.

Now a straight, conventional driveshaft diesel...that's still appealing
on smaller boats that can handle one properly.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

this thread has gotten interesting. OB's on one side, I/O's on the
other.

Time for some more popcorn.....

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

Competitive waterskiers have been using inboards for 30 years in case
you were on some other planet.

I saw my first inboard ski boat at Cypress Gardens back in the late
50s or early 60s. I think it was a Mastercraft and it was capable of
pulling a whole bunch of skiiers at one time.



I keep hoping to see one of those Grand Banks trawlers pulling some water
skiers...

Not a GB.
http://www.yorktownsailor.com/yorktown/stennis.htm

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing
and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you learned
to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating
bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.

Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. :)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. :)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? Float - boat? :)

But when we learned to ski or skied behind small O/B's there was not a stern
problem. Because we were young and did not realize there was a problem and
also those 14' boats with a 35 hp Johnson did not have a huge ETEC size
motor to get around. I skied behind those small O/B's but learned behind a
Cadillac powered V-drive An about 80 mph boat. My dad's buddy ran a boat
shop for years and raced boats, so was a fast boat.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Good one.

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for
the buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing
with the ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple
people the same time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are
just in the way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for
recreational boating. I/o's are a bad choice if you're going to leave
it in a slip full time though.

AGREE, in-land, trailer boating, the i/o is the way to go. But like
you said, if left in the water an outboard is better, because all of
the water drains out when you trim it up.

There are many other reasons to pick an outboard over an I/O. One is
that the outboard doesn't have that rubber gasket...

This is a classic "funny line" : " Outboards are just in the
way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating."

All you guys using outboards for "recreational boating," well, you're
all wrong, wrong, wrong. :)

LOL - didn't read it that way but you have a point. About the only big
advantage that the i/o has is that the top of the outboard is not in the
way. BUT, with a bunch of kids in and out of the boat or the teenage
bathing beauties lying about, the additional floor space, the flat deck
behind the rear seat, and the diving platform across the whole back ARE
HUGE advantages.


I've never owned an I/O, but, like "Reggie," I've read about them!

Seriously, I suppose they have their place, but there's not much about
I/O's that have appeal for me. Were I a "freshwater" boater, maybe I'd
feel differently.

I don't like that rubber gasket protruding below the water line. I don't
like the fact that the drive unit doesn't lift completely out of the
water. I don't like the extra change in direction from the engine to the
drive to the propeller. I don't like giving up space inside the boat for
the engine box. I don't like the weight of that engine against the stern,
although with the huge outboards now available, the outboard weight
advantage is disappearing. I don't like the manifold maintenance on an
I/O.

Some years ago, I asked one of the Parker Boats family why the company had
dropped the I/O option on several of its pilot house boats, because the
I/O models were fairly popular. Parker offered a diesel I/O. The response
was, "with the new high horsepower four strokes, the advantages of the
diesel are pretty much gone." Well, I agree with that.

Now a straight, conventional driveshaft diesel...that's still appealing on
smaller boats that can handle one properly.


The early OMC I/O's you could pull the outdrive while in the water. They
did not depend on a rubber seal. One of the reasons some houseboats used
them.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing
and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you learned
to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating
bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.
Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. :)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. :)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? Float - boat? :)

But when we learned to ski or skied behind small O/B's there was not a stern
problem. Because we were young and did not realize there was a problem and
also those 14' boats with a 35 hp Johnson did not have a huge ETEC size
motor to get around. I skied behind those small O/B's but learned behind a
Cadillac powered V-drive An about 80 mph boat. My dad's buddy ran a boat
shop for years and raced boats, so was a fast boat.




I still don't know what the "stern problem" is here. Was it getting the
tow rope caught in the prop? Never happened to us.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Good one.

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for
the buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing
with the ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple
people the same time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are
just in the way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for
recreational boating. I/o's are a bad choice if you're going to leave
it in a slip full time though.

AGREE, in-land, trailer boating, the i/o is the way to go. But like
you said, if left in the water an outboard is better, because all of
the water drains out when you trim it up.
There are many other reasons to pick an outboard over an I/O. One is
that the outboard doesn't have that rubber gasket...

This is a classic "funny line" : " Outboards are just in the
way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating."

All you guys using outboards for "recreational boating," well, you're
all wrong, wrong, wrong. :)
LOL - didn't read it that way but you have a point. About the only big
advantage that the i/o has is that the top of the outboard is not in the
way. BUT, with a bunch of kids in and out of the boat or the teenage
bathing beauties lying about, the additional floor space, the flat deck
behind the rear seat, and the diving platform across the whole back ARE
HUGE advantages.

I've never owned an I/O, but, like "Reggie," I've read about them!

Seriously, I suppose they have their place, but there's not much about
I/O's that have appeal for me. Were I a "freshwater" boater, maybe I'd
feel differently.

I don't like that rubber gasket protruding below the water line. I don't
like the fact that the drive unit doesn't lift completely out of the
water. I don't like the extra change in direction from the engine to the
drive to the propeller. I don't like giving up space inside the boat for
the engine box. I don't like the weight of that engine against the stern,
although with the huge outboards now available, the outboard weight
advantage is disappearing. I don't like the manifold maintenance on an
I/O.

Some years ago, I asked one of the Parker Boats family why the company had
dropped the I/O option on several of its pilot house boats, because the
I/O models were fairly popular. Parker offered a diesel I/O. The response
was, "with the new high horsepower four strokes, the advantages of the
diesel are pretty much gone." Well, I agree with that.

Now a straight, conventional driveshaft diesel...that's still appealing on
smaller boats that can handle one properly.


The early OMC I/O's you could pull the outdrive while in the water. They
did not depend on a rubber seal. One of the reasons some houseboats used
them.




My father sold a few of those, but they really were not that popular
among his customers. They wanted outboards or straight inboards.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing
and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you
learned to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating
bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.
Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. :)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. :)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? Float - boat? :)

But when we learned to ski or skied behind small O/B's there was not a
stern problem. Because we were young and did not realize there was a
problem and also those 14' boats with a 35 hp Johnson did not have a huge
ETEC size motor to get around. I skied behind those small O/B's but
learned behind a Cadillac powered V-drive An about 80 mph boat. My
dad's buddy ran a boat shop for years and raced boats, so was a fast
boat.


I still don't know what the "stern problem" is here. Was it getting the
tow rope caught in the prop? Never happened to us.

You were lucky then. The problem is with all these new highpowered O/B's is
there is little access to the stern. I can see this as a problem with large
center consoles in offshore fishing if the fish runs to the stern. I prefer
Diesel I/B's in large offshore boats.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing
and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you
learned to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating
bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.
Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. :)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. :)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? Float - boat? :)
But when we learned to ski or skied behind small O/B's there was not a
stern problem. Because we were young and did not realize there was a
problem and also those 14' boats with a 35 hp Johnson did not have a huge
ETEC size motor to get around. I skied behind those small O/B's but
learned behind a Cadillac powered V-drive An about 80 mph boat. My
dad's buddy ran a boat shop for years and raced boats, so was a fast
boat.

I still don't know what the "stern problem" is here. Was it getting the
tow rope caught in the prop? Never happened to us.

You were lucky then. The problem is with all these new highpowered O/B's is
there is little access to the stern. I can see this as a problem with large
center consoles in offshore fishing if the fish runs to the stern. I prefer
Diesel I/B's in large offshore boats.



My former parker had a delightful full width bracket with a ladder. Not
only was it easy to get into or out of the water, but you could walk
from port to starboard on the bracket. I brought fish up to the side of
the boat, but I also sometimes got out on the bracket to land or release
a fish. It really depends on the individual boat.