4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

I have sort of an "open" question. I currently have an older (1982)
15.5’ trihull with 70HP outboard. I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. I’m looking
for a bowrider 17’ to 19’ length. I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.

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Pretty simple here. If you plan to tow for watersports, then the 6cyl is the
ONLY way to go. I don't know how big your boys are, or how big they'll get,
but it's the torque you'll get from a 6 to get the skiier up, and get the
boat on plane. I can promise you that if you get a 4cyl, you'll be
disappointed.... for watersports. It's cheaper to get the 6 now, rather than
get another boat in a year or two from now when you realize your mistake.

--Mike

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I have sort of an "open" question. I currently have an older (1982)
15.5' trihull with 70HP outboard. I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. I'm looking
for a bowrider 17' to 19' length. I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.

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On Apr 21, 9:23*pm, CTBob wrote:
I have sort of an "open" question. *I currently have an older (1982)
15.5’ trihull with 70HP outboard. *I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. *I’m looking
for a bowrider 17’ to 19’ length. *I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. *It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. *I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". *Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? *Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? *I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.

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I'd go with the 4.3 v-6. The 4 cyl 3.0 is economical to run, but if
you're planning on doing a lot of floaty-toy things, you need the v-6.
PLUS it's quieter than the 4 and in a 17' you probably won't notice a
difference it the economy. Now up in a 19' boat you deffinately notice
a difference in the 6 over the 4 concerning the performance.

The 6 would be worth the extra investment.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:23:37 GMT, CTBob wrote:

I have sort of an "open" question. I currently have an older (1982)
15.5’ trihull with 70HP outboard. I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. I’m looking
for a bowrider 17’ to 19’ length. I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.

Echo Mike and Tim.

Six cylinders - eight would be even better, but six will suffice.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

6cyl, no doubt about it. It's not the faster, it's the hole shot.

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I have sort of an "open" question. I currently have an older (1982)
15.5' trihull with 70HP outboard. I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. I'm looking
for a bowrider 17' to 19' length. I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.

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On Apr 22, 6:38*am, "jamesgangnc" wrote:
6cyl, no doubt about it. *It's not the faster, it's the hole shot.

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I have sort of an "open" question. *I currently have an older (1982)
15.5' trihull with 70HP outboard. *I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. *I'm looking
for a bowrider 17' to 19' length. *I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. *It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. *I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". *Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? *Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? *I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.

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Agreed! My 18' Scorpion has a 3.0. It's fast enough for the little
boat, and will pull it's self on plane well. And tubing is "ok" but
even pulling a light kid on ski's? It's a pooch.

get the v-6

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

CTBob wrote:
I have sort of an "open" question. I currently have an older (1982)
15.5’ trihull with 70HP outboard. I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. I’m looking
for a bowrider 17’ to 19’ length. I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.


Have you considered keeping an outboard?

Here's one example:

http://glastron.com/us/boatpages/gt180.html

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Apr 22, 6:20*pm, DK wrote:
CTBob wrote:
I have sort of an "open" question. *I currently have an older (1982)
15.5’ trihull with 70HP outboard. *I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. *I’m looking
for a bowrider 17’ to 19’ length. *I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. *It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. *I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". *Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? *Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? *I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.

Have you considered keeping an outboard?

Here's one example:

http://glastron.com/us/boatpages/gt180.html

Nice looking boat?

What design is an Evinrude 115 DSLSD ?

Never heard of a DSLSD....

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Tim wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:20 pm, DK wrote:
CTBob wrote:
I have sort of an "open" question. I currently have an older (1982)
15.5’ trihull with 70HP outboard. I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. I’m looking
for a bowrider 17’ to 19’ length. I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.
Have you considered keeping an outboard?

Here's one example:

http://glastron.com/us/boatpages/gt180.html

Nice looking boat?

What design is an Evinrude 115 DSLSD ?

Never heard of a DSLSD....

E-Tecs, of course. I have no idea what that is. I do know ELPTO!

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 22, 6:20*pm, DK wrote:
CTBob wrote:
I have sort of an "open" question. *I currently have an older (1982)
15.5’ trihull with 70HP outboard. *I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. *I’m looking
for a bowrider 17’ to 19’ length. *I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. *It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. *I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". *Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? *Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? *I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.

Have you considered keeping an outboard?

Here's one example:

http://glastron.com/us/boatpages/gt180.html

Nice looking boat?

What design is an Evinrude 115 DSLSD ?

Never heard of a DSLSD....

ETEC.

D= Remote Electric Start, S=Special Color (white), L=20" shaft, SL is
the last digit of model year and model run.

That last SL bit may not be right, but I'm pretty sure about the rest.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 22, 6:20 pm, DK wrote:
CTBob wrote:
I have sort of an "open" question. I currently have an older (1982)
15.5’ trihull with 70HP outboard. I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. I’m looking
for a bowrider 17’ to 19’ length. I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.
Have you considered keeping an outboard?

Here's one example:

http://glastron.com/us/boatpages/gt180.html
Nice looking boat?

What design is an Evinrude 115 DSLSD ?

Never heard of a DSLSD....


Detonates Sooner rather than Later with a Spectacular Display

DSLSD

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Good one.

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for the
buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing with the
ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple people the same
time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are just in the way, fine
for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating. I/o's are a bad
choice if you're going to leave it in a slip full time though.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 22, 6:20 pm, DK wrote:
CTBob wrote:
I have sort of an "open" question. I currently have an older (1982)
15.5’ trihull with 70HP outboard. I am looking into buying a new boat
and would like some of your opinions on 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl. I’m looking
for a bowrider 17’ to 19’ length. I have been noticing that most of
the boats in this size range have the 4cyl engines, but some (most)
offer a 6 cyl option. It would be used mostly in fresh water lakes
for pleasure/ fishing/ tubing/ some watersking and wakeboarding. I
have two boys who think "the faster, the better". Is the 6 cyl
option generally worth the extra money? Would the 4 cyl generally be
underpowered? I have heard both good and bad regarding both engines.
Any comments would be appreciated.
Have you considered keeping an outboard?

Here's one example:

http://glastron.com/us/boatpages/gt180.html
Nice looking boat?

What design is an Evinrude 115 DSLSD ?

Never heard of a DSLSD....


Detonates Sooner rather than Later with a Spectacular Display

DSLSD

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

jamesgangnc wrote:
Good one.

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for the
buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing with the
ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple people the same
time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are just in the way, fine
for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating. I/o's are a bad
choice if you're going to leave it in a slip full time though.


I boat in salt water, mostly. I wouldn't touch an I/O with a 10-foot
pole. If I were a fresh-water trailer boater, I'd consider one.

I learned to waterski behind an 18 hp Evinrude outboard. Somehow we
managed the skis, ropes, and getting out of the boat and back in. The
outboard was never in the way. Plus with an outboard, none of the
cockpit space is taken up by the engine box.

Each has their merits. I prefer outboards.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:32:53 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for the
buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing with the
ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple people the same
time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are just in the way, fine
for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating. I/o's are a bad
choice if you're going to leave it in a slip full time though.

I/O elitist. :)

Couldn't get me to buy a boat with an I/O.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Apr 22, 7:45*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:32:53 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for the
buck. *Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing with *the
ropes, skis, tubs etc. *Sometimes we're bringing in multiple people the same
time we're putting out multiple people. *Outboards are just in the way, fine
for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating. *I/o's are a bad
choice if you're going to leave it in a slip full time though.

I/O elitist. *:)

Couldn't get me to buy a boat with an I/O.

Sure you could, Tom. That is if the price was right and you knew you
could turn it for a fast buck!

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 22, 7:45*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:32:53 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for the
buck. *Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing with *the
ropes, skis, tubs etc. *Sometimes we're bringing in multiple people the same
time we're putting out multiple people. *Outboards are just in the way, fine
for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating. *I/o's are a bad
choice if you're going to leave it in a slip full time though.

I/O elitist. *:)

Couldn't get me to buy a boat with an I/O.

Sure you could, Tom. That is if the price was right and you knew you
could turn it for a fast buck!

No I wouldn't.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Lots of people learned to ski behind little outboards. My wife did as well.
But that doesn't make them the best choice for recreational water sports.
And trying to say the outboard was never in the way is crap, you just worked
around it. If you're going to do much of it in a day the outboard does get
in the way. Besides you'll never get the hole shot of a big i/o or inboard
with anything less than a $15k outboard. See any real ski boats with an
outboard?

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
jamesgangnc wrote:
Good one.

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for
the buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing with
the ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple people
the same time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are just in
the way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating.
I/o's are a bad choice if you're going to leave it in a slip full time
though.


I boat in salt water, mostly. I wouldn't touch an I/O with a 10-foot pole.
If I were a fresh-water trailer boater, I'd consider one.

I learned to waterski behind an 18 hp Evinrude outboard. Somehow we
managed the skis, ropes, and getting out of the boat and back in. The
outboard was never in the way. Plus with an outboard, none of the cockpit
space is taken up by the engine box.

Each has their merits. I prefer outboards.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Apr 23, 5:23�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:





On Apr 22, 7:45�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:32:53 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for the
buck. �Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing with �the
ropes, skis, tubs etc. �Sometimes we're bringing in multiple people the same
time we're putting out multiple people. �Outboards are just in the way, fine
for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating. �I/o's are a bad
choice if you're going to leave it in a slip full time though.

I/O elitist. �:)

Couldn't get me to buy a boat with an I/O.

Sure you could, Tom. That is if the price was right and you knew you
could turn it for a fast buck!

No I wouldn't.- Hide quoted text -

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OK, I under estimated your moral fiber...


sorry

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jamesgangnc wrote:
Lots of people learned to ski behind little outboards. My wife did as well.
But that doesn't make them the best choice for recreational water sports.
And trying to say the outboard was never in the way is crap, you just worked
around it. If you're going to do much of it in a day the outboard does get
in the way. Besides you'll never get the hole shot of a big i/o or inboard
with anything less than a $15k outboard. See any real ski boats with an
outboard?


I never said a small outboard was the best choice...I simply said I
learned to ski behind one, as did many others. I have no recollection of
the outboard "being in the way" of any waterski activities.

Have I seen any "real" ski boats with outboards. I sure have, in
Florida. Now, I appreciate the fact that "competitive" waterskiers these
days use mostly inboards, but I don't give a damn about them, and I
never did. Those flat-bottomed ski boats would be next to useless where
I like to boat.

I like straight inboards, but I'd never buy one as a "ski" boat, or a
"Wakeboard" boat. As for an I/O...nah.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Competitive waterskiers have been using inboards for 30 years in case you
were on some other planet. As well as recreational waterskiers. But for a
general purpose recreational, fair weather, day boat an i/o is the biggest
bang for the buck. For other stuff sure, I wouldn't consider anything but
outboards. Serious off shore fishing, give me a big center console with
twin outboards. But you guys act like just cause an outboard is the right
choice for what you do it is the right choice for everyone. So if your
family got into some serious water sports, you'd buy an outboard? That's
just pig headed.

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you learned to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
jamesgangnc wrote:
Lots of people learned to ski behind little outboards. My wife did as
well. But that doesn't make them the best choice for recreational water
sports. And trying to say the outboard was never in the way is crap, you
just worked around it. If you're going to do much of it in a day the
outboard does get in the way. Besides you'll never get the hole shot of
a big i/o or inboard with anything less than a $15k outboard. See any
real ski boats with an outboard?


I never said a small outboard was the best choice...I simply said I
learned to ski behind one, as did many others. I have no recollection of
the outboard "being in the way" of any waterski activities.

Have I seen any "real" ski boats with outboards. I sure have, in Florida.
Now, I appreciate the fact that "competitive" waterskiers these days use
mostly inboards, but I don't give a damn about them, and I never did.
Those flat-bottomed ski boats would be next to useless where I like to
boat.

I like straight inboards, but I'd never buy one as a "ski" boat, or a
"Wakeboard" boat. As for an I/O...nah.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Apr 23, 8:49*am, "jamesgangnc" wrote:
Competitive waterskiers have been using inboards for 30 years in case you
were on some other planet. *As well as recreational waterskiers. *But for a
general purpose recreational, fair weather, day boat an i/o is the biggest
bang for the buck. *For other stuff sure, I wouldn't consider anything but
outboards. *Serious off shore fishing, give me a big center console with
twin outboards. *But you guys act like just cause an outboard is the right
choice for what you do it is the right choice for everyone. *So if your
family got into some serious water sports, you'd buy an outboard? *That's
just pig headed.

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing and
how it was never a problem. *Instead you could have just said you learned to
ski on an outboard. *I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. *Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.

"HK" wrote in message

. ..



jamesgangnc wrote:
Lots of people learned to ski behind little outboards. *My wife did as
well. But that doesn't make them the best choice for recreational water
sports. And trying to say the outboard was never in the way is crap, you
just worked around it. *If you're going to do much of it in a day the
outboard does get in the way. *Besides you'll never get the hole shot of
a big i/o or inboard with anything less than a $15k outboard. *See any
real ski boats with an outboard?

I never said a small outboard was the best choice...I simply said I
learned to ski behind one, as did many others. I have no recollection of
the outboard "being in the way" of any waterski activities.

Have I seen any "real" ski boats with outboards. I sure have, in Florida..
Now, I appreciate the fact that "competitive" waterskiers these days use
mostly inboards, but I don't give a damn about them, and I never did.
Those flat-bottomed ski boats would be next to useless where I like to
boat.

I like straight inboards, but I'd never buy one as a "ski" boat, or a
"Wakeboard" boat. As for an I/O...nah.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Next Harry will tell us how his father skied across the Atlantic and
got a fireboat welcome in NYC on his return.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

jamesgangnc wrote:


And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you learned to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.


It was never a problem. Yes, I learned to ski behind an outboard. So?

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

John wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Good one.

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for the
buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing with the
ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple people the
same time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are just in the
way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating.
I/o's are a bad choice if you're going to leave it in a slip full time
though.


AGREE, in-land, trailer boating, the i/o is the way to go. But like you
said, if left in the water an outboard is better, because all of the water
drains out when you trim it up.




There are many other reasons to pick an outboard over an I/O. One is
that the outboard doesn't have that rubber gasket...

This is a classic "funny line" : " Outboards are just in the
way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating."

All you guys using outboards for "recreational boating," well, you're
all wrong, wrong, wrong. :)

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you learned to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.

Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. :)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. :)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? Float - boat? :)

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Apr 23, 10:19*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing and
how it was never a problem. *Instead you could have just said you learned to
ski on an outboard. *I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. *Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.

Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? *To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. *From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. *:)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. *:)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? *Float - boat? *:)

It's easy to find some example of exceptions to anything. Very few
things are absolute. But for every exception there are usually
hundreds or thousands that fall into the mainstream. Using the
exceptions to argue a position is fundamentally flawed. Go to any
gathering of ski boats. Or any competition. Count the outboards.
Count the i/os and inboards. Do you really think that a statistically
significant result would support your position? Or is everyone else
wrong and you're right? That's the recurring theme I see in most of
your posts.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you learned to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.

Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. :)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. :)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? Float - boat? :)

All tournament ski boats are inboard, with the pylon at the center pivot
point of the boat at about waste high. While they might like the torque
of the etec, it would leave too big of a wake for a ski boat. Wakeboard
boats will use arch/towers that look like large radar arches.

If Seaworld is using Etec it is for their "shows" where they pull an
extreme number of skiers in a Pyramid, not for "real sking". ;)

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

Competitive waterskiers have been using inboards for 30 years in case you
were on some other planet.

I saw my first inboard ski boat at Cypress Gardens back in the late
50s or early 60s. I think it was a Mastercraft and it was capable of
pulling a whole bunch of skiiers at one time.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:45:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Couldn't get me to buy a boat with an I/O.

They're OK if you store out of the water.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

Competitive waterskiers have been using inboards for 30 years in case you
were on some other planet.

I saw my first inboard ski boat at Cypress Gardens back in the late
50s or early 60s. I think it was a Mastercraft and it was capable of
pulling a whole bunch of skiiers at one time.



I keep hoping to see one of those Grand Banks trawlers pulling some
water skiers...

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:45:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Couldn't get me to buy a boat with an I/O.

They're OK if you store out of the water.



"OK" is only...OK.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

John wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Good one.

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for
the buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing with
the ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple people
the same time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are just in
the way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating.
I/o's are a bad choice if you're going to leave it in a slip full time
though.

AGREE, in-land, trailer boating, the i/o is the way to go. But like you
said, if left in the water an outboard is better, because all of the
water drains out when you trim it up.

There are many other reasons to pick an outboard over an I/O. One is that
the outboard doesn't have that rubber gasket...

This is a classic "funny line" : " Outboards are just in the
way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating."

All you guys using outboards for "recreational boating," well, you're all
wrong, wrong, wrong. :)

LOL - didn't read it that way but you have a point. About the only big
advantage that the i/o has is that the top of the outboard is not in the
way. BUT, with a bunch of kids in and out of the boat or the teenage
bathing beauties lying about, the additional floor space, the flat deck
behind the rear seat, and the diving platform across the whole back ARE HUGE
advantages.




I've never owned an I/O, but, like "Reggie," I've read about them!

Seriously, I suppose they have their place, but there's not much about
I/O's that have appeal for me. Were I a "freshwater" boater, maybe I'd
feel differently.

I don't like that rubber gasket protruding below the water line. I don't
like the fact that the drive unit doesn't lift completely out of the
water. I don't like the extra change in direction from the engine to the
drive to the propeller. I don't like giving up space inside the boat for
the engine box. I don't like the weight of that engine against the
stern, although with the huge outboards now available, the outboard
weight advantage is disappearing. I don't like the manifold maintenance
on an I/O.

Some years ago, I asked one of the Parker Boats family why the company
had dropped the I/O option on several of its pilot house boats, because
the I/O models were fairly popular. Parker offered a diesel I/O. The
response was, "with the new high horsepower four strokes, the advantages
of the diesel are pretty much gone." Well, I agree with that.

Now a straight, conventional driveshaft diesel...that's still appealing
on smaller boats that can handle one properly.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

this thread has gotten interesting. OB's on one side, I/O's on the
other.

Time for some more popcorn.....

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

Competitive waterskiers have been using inboards for 30 years in case
you were on some other planet.

I saw my first inboard ski boat at Cypress Gardens back in the late
50s or early 60s. I think it was a Mastercraft and it was capable of
pulling a whole bunch of skiiers at one time.



I keep hoping to see one of those Grand Banks trawlers pulling some water
skiers...

Not a GB.
http://www.yorktownsailor.com/yorktown/stennis.htm

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing
and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you learned
to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating
bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.

Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. :)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. :)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? Float - boat? :)

But when we learned to ski or skied behind small O/B's there was not a stern
problem. Because we were young and did not realize there was a problem and
also those 14' boats with a 35 hp Johnson did not have a huge ETEC size
motor to get around. I skied behind those small O/B's but learned behind a
Cadillac powered V-drive An about 80 mph boat. My dad's buddy ran a boat
shop for years and raced boats, so was a fast boat.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Good one.

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for
the buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing
with the ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple
people the same time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are
just in the way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for
recreational boating. I/o's are a bad choice if you're going to leave
it in a slip full time though.

AGREE, in-land, trailer boating, the i/o is the way to go. But like
you said, if left in the water an outboard is better, because all of
the water drains out when you trim it up.

There are many other reasons to pick an outboard over an I/O. One is
that the outboard doesn't have that rubber gasket...

This is a classic "funny line" : " Outboards are just in the
way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating."

All you guys using outboards for "recreational boating," well, you're
all wrong, wrong, wrong. :)

LOL - didn't read it that way but you have a point. About the only big
advantage that the i/o has is that the top of the outboard is not in the
way. BUT, with a bunch of kids in and out of the boat or the teenage
bathing beauties lying about, the additional floor space, the flat deck
behind the rear seat, and the diving platform across the whole back ARE
HUGE advantages.


I've never owned an I/O, but, like "Reggie," I've read about them!

Seriously, I suppose they have their place, but there's not much about
I/O's that have appeal for me. Were I a "freshwater" boater, maybe I'd
feel differently.

I don't like that rubber gasket protruding below the water line. I don't
like the fact that the drive unit doesn't lift completely out of the
water. I don't like the extra change in direction from the engine to the
drive to the propeller. I don't like giving up space inside the boat for
the engine box. I don't like the weight of that engine against the stern,
although with the huge outboards now available, the outboard weight
advantage is disappearing. I don't like the manifold maintenance on an
I/O.

Some years ago, I asked one of the Parker Boats family why the company had
dropped the I/O option on several of its pilot house boats, because the
I/O models were fairly popular. Parker offered a diesel I/O. The response
was, "with the new high horsepower four strokes, the advantages of the
diesel are pretty much gone." Well, I agree with that.

Now a straight, conventional driveshaft diesel...that's still appealing on
smaller boats that can handle one properly.


The early OMC I/O's you could pull the outdrive while in the water. They
did not depend on a rubber seal. One of the reasons some houseboats used
them.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing
and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you learned
to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating
bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.
Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. :)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. :)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? Float - boat? :)

But when we learned to ski or skied behind small O/B's there was not a stern
problem. Because we were young and did not realize there was a problem and
also those 14' boats with a 35 hp Johnson did not have a huge ETEC size
motor to get around. I skied behind those small O/B's but learned behind a
Cadillac powered V-drive An about 80 mph boat. My dad's buddy ran a boat
shop for years and raced boats, so was a fast boat.




I still don't know what the "stern problem" is here. Was it getting the
tow rope caught in the prop? Never happened to us.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
Good one.

If ypu want a recreational boat then the i/os are the biggest bang for
the buck. Plus you get to have a full length rear deck for messing
with the ropes, skis, tubs etc. Sometimes we're bringing in multiple
people the same time we're putting out multiple people. Outboards are
just in the way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for
recreational boating. I/o's are a bad choice if you're going to leave
it in a slip full time though.

AGREE, in-land, trailer boating, the i/o is the way to go. But like
you said, if left in the water an outboard is better, because all of
the water drains out when you trim it up.
There are many other reasons to pick an outboard over an I/O. One is
that the outboard doesn't have that rubber gasket...

This is a classic "funny line" : " Outboards are just in the
way, fine for fishing, but forget about it for recreational boating."

All you guys using outboards for "recreational boating," well, you're
all wrong, wrong, wrong. :)
LOL - didn't read it that way but you have a point. About the only big
advantage that the i/o has is that the top of the outboard is not in the
way. BUT, with a bunch of kids in and out of the boat or the teenage
bathing beauties lying about, the additional floor space, the flat deck
behind the rear seat, and the diving platform across the whole back ARE
HUGE advantages.

I've never owned an I/O, but, like "Reggie," I've read about them!

Seriously, I suppose they have their place, but there's not much about
I/O's that have appeal for me. Were I a "freshwater" boater, maybe I'd
feel differently.

I don't like that rubber gasket protruding below the water line. I don't
like the fact that the drive unit doesn't lift completely out of the
water. I don't like the extra change in direction from the engine to the
drive to the propeller. I don't like giving up space inside the boat for
the engine box. I don't like the weight of that engine against the stern,
although with the huge outboards now available, the outboard weight
advantage is disappearing. I don't like the manifold maintenance on an
I/O.

Some years ago, I asked one of the Parker Boats family why the company had
dropped the I/O option on several of its pilot house boats, because the
I/O models were fairly popular. Parker offered a diesel I/O. The response
was, "with the new high horsepower four strokes, the advantages of the
diesel are pretty much gone." Well, I agree with that.

Now a straight, conventional driveshaft diesel...that's still appealing on
smaller boats that can handle one properly.


The early OMC I/O's you could pull the outdrive while in the water. They
did not depend on a rubber seal. One of the reasons some houseboats used
them.




My father sold a few of those, but they really were not that popular
among his customers. They wanted outboards or straight inboards.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing
and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you
learned to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating
bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.
Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. :)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. :)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? Float - boat? :)

But when we learned to ski or skied behind small O/B's there was not a
stern problem. Because we were young and did not realize there was a
problem and also those 14' boats with a 35 hp Johnson did not have a huge
ETEC size motor to get around. I skied behind those small O/B's but
learned behind a Cadillac powered V-drive An about 80 mph boat. My
dad's buddy ran a boat shop for years and raced boats, so was a fast
boat.


I still don't know what the "stern problem" is here. Was it getting the
tow rope caught in the prop? Never happened to us.

You were lucky then. The problem is with all these new highpowered O/B's is
there is little access to the stern. I can see this as a problem with large
center consoles in offshore fishing if the fish runs to the stern. I prefer
Diesel I/B's in large offshore boats.

4cyl vs. 6cyl
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:33 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

And you wrote an entire paragraph on your use of an outboard for skiing
and
how it was never a problem. Instead you could have just said you
learned to
ski on an outboard. I've watched outboarders doing water sports, it's
obviously a pain. Taking in and out ropes with that stupid floating
bridle
to get them around the engine, give me a break.
Don't they have towers and such on "ski" boats? To get around the
stern problem?

The ski club at Webster lake changed their club boats over from Master
Craft and Centurion to outboard Glastrons - with ETECs. From what I
heard, more power, better fuel economy and more power. :)

Their three boats all have what they call ski towers and stern posts
(ski pylons?) for the tow rigs.

Doesn't seem to bother them much.

And I might be wrong, but I thought that the ski show in Orlando's
Seaworld uses outboards - ETECs actually, don't know the model boat -
or they did at one time - that may have changed.

I also believe that the world's record number of skiers towed was
behind outboards - ETECs in fact.

Hmmmm - I'm sensing a recurring theme here. :)

Hey - what ever floats your boat - get it? Float - boat? :)
But when we learned to ski or skied behind small O/B's there was not a
stern problem. Because we were young and did not realize there was a
problem and also those 14' boats with a 35 hp Johnson did not have a huge
ETEC size motor to get around. I skied behind those small O/B's but
learned behind a Cadillac powered V-drive An about 80 mph boat. My
dad's buddy ran a boat shop for years and raced boats, so was a fast
boat.

I still don't know what the "stern problem" is here. Was it getting the
tow rope caught in the prop? Never happened to us.

You were lucky then. The problem is with all these new highpowered O/B's is
there is little access to the stern. I can see this as a problem with large
center consoles in offshore fishing if the fish runs to the stern. I prefer
Diesel I/B's in large offshore boats.



My former parker had a delightful full width bracket with a ladder. Not
only was it easy to get into or out of the water, but you could walk
from port to starboard on the bracket. I brought fish up to the side of
the boat, but I also sometimes got out on the bracket to land or release
a fish. It really depends on the individual boat.