....if I were starting over, or as a newbie, I'd go with the Apple stuff.
It's simply far more elegant, and the level of tech support available
from some of the smaller vendors who supply Mac software is incredible.
I was trying to set up a popular backup program for the Mac, not the one
that comes with it, and I actually got emails of help from the author of
the program.

But it is the well-engineered (and overpriced!) hardware that I really like.

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
...if I were starting over, or as a newbie, I'd go with the Apple stuff.
It's simply far more elegant, and the level of tech support available from
some of the smaller vendors who supply Mac software is incredible. I was
trying to set up a popular backup program for the Mac, not the one that
comes with it, and I actually got emails of help from the author of the
program.

But it is the well-engineered (and overpriced!) hardware that I really
like.

The original Mac's were some of the slickest looking systems, with some of
the crappiest engineering inside of all systems! No parity on major busses,
minimal power supply, that hardly provided enough power for the system as it
was. Maybe the newer ones are better engineered, but I would not bet on it.
The user interface is very nice, but PARC research center should have
patented it.

CalifBill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
...if I were starting over, or as a newbie, I'd go with the Apple stuff.
It's simply far more elegant, and the level of tech support available from
some of the smaller vendors who supply Mac software is incredible. I was
trying to set up a popular backup program for the Mac, not the one that
comes with it, and I actually got emails of help from the author of the
program.

But it is the well-engineered (and overpriced!) hardware that I really
like.

The original Mac's were some of the slickest looking systems, with some of
the crappiest engineering inside of all systems! No parity on major busses,
minimal power supply, that hardly provided enough power for the system as it
was. Maybe the newer ones are better engineered, but I would not bet on it.
The user interface is very nice, but PARC research center should have
patented it.


I'm not talking about "the original" Macs from 25 years ago. Maybe you
should get out for a look see.

Crikey.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
CalifBill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
...if I were starting over, or as a newbie, I'd go with the Apple stuff.
It's simply far more elegant, and the level of tech support available
from some of the smaller vendors who supply Mac software is incredible.
I was trying to set up a popular backup program for the Mac, not the one
that comes with it, and I actually got emails of help from the author of
the program.

But it is the well-engineered (and overpriced!) hardware that I really
like.

The original Mac's were some of the slickest looking systems, with some
of the crappiest engineering inside of all systems! No parity on major
busses, minimal power supply, that hardly provided enough power for the
system as it was. Maybe the newer ones are better engineered, but I
would not bet on it. The user interface is very nice, but PARC research
center should have patented it.
I'm not talking about "the original" Macs from 25 years ago. Maybe you
should get out for a look see.

Crikey.

They are not the 25 year old systems, but is from the same culture.

CalifBill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
CalifBill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
...if I were starting over, or as a newbie, I'd go with the Apple stuff.
It's simply far more elegant, and the level of tech support available
from some of the smaller vendors who supply Mac software is incredible.
I was trying to set up a popular backup program for the Mac, not the one
that comes with it, and I actually got emails of help from the author of
the program.

But it is the well-engineered (and overpriced!) hardware that I really
like.
The original Mac's were some of the slickest looking systems, with some
of the crappiest engineering inside of all systems! No parity on major
busses, minimal power supply, that hardly provided enough power for the
system as it was. Maybe the newer ones are better engineered, but I
would not bet on it. The user interface is very nice, but PARC research
center should have patented it.
I'm not talking about "the original" Macs from 25 years ago. Maybe you
should get out for a look see.

Crikey.

They are not the 25 year old systems, but is from the same culture.



What? Oh...you don't like the "Mac Culture." What's your take on the
*current* engineering in the Macs? You do know that many of the working
pieces and parts are the same as what is in a PC, right?

I'm not at all familiar with the "Mac Culture." But I do like the Mac
stores at the malls, and before I got my new Mac laptop, I looked
through the product lines of at least a half dozen "PC" laptop vendors.
I had been using a rock-solid IBM branded Thinkpad T23, but Lenovo is
now a communist chinese enterprise.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
CalifBill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
CalifBill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
...if I were starting over, or as a newbie, I'd go with the Apple
stuff. It's simply far more elegant, and the level of tech support
available from some of the smaller vendors who supply Mac software is
incredible. I was trying to set up a popular backup program for the
Mac, not the one that comes with it, and I actually got emails of help
from the author of the program.

But it is the well-engineered (and overpriced!) hardware that I really
like.
The original Mac's were some of the slickest looking systems, with some
of the crappiest engineering inside of all systems! No parity on major
busses, minimal power supply, that hardly provided enough power for the
system as it was. Maybe the newer ones are better engineered, but I
would not bet on it. The user interface is very nice, but PARC research
center should have patented it.
I'm not talking about "the original" Macs from 25 years ago. Maybe you
should get out for a look see.

Crikey.

They are not the 25 year old systems, but is from the same culture.

What? Oh...you don't like the "Mac Culture." What's your take on the
*current* engineering in the Macs? You do know that many of the working
pieces and parts are the same as what is in a PC, right?

I'm not at all familiar with the "Mac Culture." But I do like the Mac
stores at the malls, and before I got my new Mac laptop, I looked through
the product lines of at least a half dozen "PC" laptop vendors. I had been
using a rock-solid IBM branded Thinkpad T23, but Lenovo is now a communist
chinese enterprise.

I know lots of parts are the same as PC's. Hell the disk drives that I
designed were used in Mac's. Same drive as the rest except for a little
firmware change to say it was apple and then Apple would accept the drive.
Bought from Apple for 2x what the same drive sold for from everyone else.
Mac Culture if it is the same as the original Mac would say that go for the
look and feel and forget about the extra cost to design with great error
checking.

wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:01:28 -0400, hk wrote:

...if I were starting over, or as a newbie, I'd go with the Apple stuff.
It's simply far more elegant, and the level of tech support available
from some of the smaller vendors who supply Mac software is incredible.
I was trying to set up a popular backup program for the Mac, not the one
that comes with it, and I actually got emails of help from the author of
the program.

But it is the well-engineered (and overpriced!) hardware that I really
like.

I hate Windoze but if you are willing to live a generation off the
bleediung edge you can have virtually free computing. XP systems are
pretty much junk on the side of the road these days although they are
still very functional. I am still managing to get everything done I
want to do with W/98 but I did build a faster machine pretty cheap
from parts on the internet.

Problem with W98 is some of the applications II had to run would not run
under 98. I think Matlab and Orcad versions I ran were the main culpits.

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:01:28 -0400, hk penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|...if I were starting over, or as a newbie, I'd go with the Apple stuff.
| It's simply far more elegant, and the level of tech support available
|from some of the smaller vendors who supply Mac software is incredible.
|I was trying to set up a popular backup program for the Mac, not the one
|that comes with it, and I actually got emails of help from the author of
|the program.
|
|But it is the well-engineered (and overpriced!) hardware that I really like.

Anybody following the furor caused by this company?
http://www.psystar.com/


Yup. At the moment, it isn't clear whether it really is a company. A
couple of the Mac user sites are following developments there closely,
and apparently several individuals checked out the location where the
company supposedly had its assembly site and found nothing there but
another "Reggie."

If the company turns out to be legit, I'll order a unit. I was going to
build my own desktop Mac just for grins. There are several sites that
outline how to do that. :}

"HK" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:01:28 -0400, hk penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|...if I were starting over, or as a newbie, I'd go with the Apple stuff.
| It's simply far more elegant, and the level of tech support available
|from some of the smaller vendors who supply Mac software is incredible.
|I was trying to set up a popular backup program for the Mac, not the one
|that comes with it, and I actually got emails of help from the author of
|the program.
|
|But it is the well-engineered (and overpriced!) hardware that I really
like.

Anybody following the furor caused by this company?
http://www.psystar.com/


Yup. At the moment, it isn't clear whether it really is a company. A
couple of the Mac user sites are following developments there closely, and
apparently several individuals checked out the location where the company
supposedly had its assembly site and found nothing there but another
"Reggie."

If the company turns out to be legit, I'll order a unit. I was going to
build my own desktop Mac just for grins. There are several sites that
outline how to do that. :}

Looks like it might be another lobsta boat.
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Dont_...sed_16470.html

Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:01:28 -0400, hk penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|...if I were starting over, or as a newbie, I'd go with the Apple
stuff. | It's simply far more elegant, and the level of tech support
available |from some of the smaller vendors who supply Mac software
is incredible. |I was trying to set up a popular backup program for
the Mac, not the one |that comes with it, and I actually got emails
of help from the author of |the program.
|
|But it is the well-engineered (and overpriced!) hardware that I
really like.

Anybody following the furor caused by this company?
http://www.psystar.com/


Yup. At the moment, it isn't clear whether it really is a company. A
couple of the Mac user sites are following developments there closely,
and apparently several individuals checked out the location where the
company supposedly had its assembly site and found nothing there but
another "Reggie."

If the company turns out to be legit, I'll order a unit. I was going
to build my own desktop Mac just for grins. There are several sites
that outline how to do that. :}

Looks like it might be another lobsta boat.
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Dont_...sed_16470.html



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