"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 9:05 am, carbon performance
wrote:
We currently have standing orders for our boats, and require capital
for the production of our models. We are prepared to discuss either a
loan or partnership structure, and would be willing to secure the
capital against the boats as they are built, as well as offering
production prices for our products.

If anyone is aware of a source, or is interested in discussing this in
further detail, please feel free to visit our website
atwww.CarbonPerformanceBoats.comor contact me directly at


I really don't know, because ,well... I really don't know. But I was
wondering, if the boat on the front of your website is really one
you've constructed? Also, from an average (or not) consumers point, I
think you need to add much more info. in your website. It sound like
you're wanting to make an absolute quality craft and not "cut corners"
which is good. But when I looked at your site there didn't seem to me
that there would be much to hold my interest. My advice isn't much and
I know it, but I think you need to pump up your website and it would
possibly aid in attracting investors.

The best of luck to you!

------------------------------------------

This guy kinda caught my attention for some reason. Maybe it's because I
got a sense of an entrepreneurial flavor to his post which I liked.

The website, although sparse, is well written and transmits a vision of
attempting to offer a high quality product, at least from an idealistic
point of view anyway. I liked it's tone.

Putting aside the fact that I am not a fan of bubble boats, the concern I
have, recognizing that it is based on very little information, is that the
boat does not seem to have any memorable unique attributes to it. It's
going to compete against a score of established boat manufacturers
building similar boats. So, here's the problem. In order to gain entry
to the marketplace they will have to do something to make it unique and
desirable. The only option is price.

The worst mistake any budding business can make is to underprice their
product to penetrate the market, especially on big ticket items. You
loose money and it takes many years of being profitable to make it up.
Plus, it's much more difficult to increase prices, once established.

I realize I am just guessing at this and again wish them success, but to
me there's something missing to justify consideration of an investment.

Eisboch



"Lose" (not "loose") ...... dope.

Eisboch

On Mar 13, 8:05*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Mar 13, 9:05 am, carbon performance
wrote:

We currently have standing orders for our boats, and require capital
for the production of our models. We are prepared to discuss either a
loan or partnership structure, and would be willing to secure the
capital against the boats as they are built, as well as offering
production prices for our products.

If anyone is aware of a source, or is interested in discussing this in
further detail, please feel free to visit our website
atwww.CarbonPerformanceBoats.comorcontact me directly at


I really don't know, because ,well... I really don't know. *But I was
wondering, if the boat on the front of your website is really one
you've constructed? *Also, from an average (or not) consumers point, I
think you need to add much more info. in your website. It sound like
you're wanting to make an absolute quality craft and not "cut corners"
which is good. But when I looked at your site there didn't seem to me
that there would be much to hold my interest. My advice isn't much and
I know it, but I think you need to pump up your website and it would
possibly aid in attracting investors.

The best of luck to you!

------------------------------------------

This guy kinda caught my attention for some reason. *Maybe it's because I
got a sense of an entrepreneurial flavor to his post which I liked.

The website, although sparse, is well written and transmits a vision of
attempting to offer a high quality product, at least from an idealistic
point of view anyway. *I liked it's tone.

Putting aside the fact that I am not a fan of bubble boats, the concern I
have, recognizing that it is based on very little information, is that the
boat does not seem to have any memorable unique attributes to it. *It's
going to compete against a score of established boat manufacturers building
similar boats. * *So, here's the problem. *In order to gain entry to the
marketplace they will have to do something to make it unique and desirable..
The only option is price.

The worst mistake any budding business can make is to underprice their
product to penetrate the market, especially on big ticket items. *You loose
money and it takes many years of being profitable to make it up. * Plus,
it's much more difficult to increase prices, once established.

I realize I am just guessing at this and again wish them success, but to me
there's something missing to justify consideration of an investment.

Eisboch

Well, if you're interested in investment in the boat business... I've
got an extra hammer

wrote in message
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Well, if you're interested in investment in the boat business... I've
got an extra hammer
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Which end to you hold?

Eisboch

On Mar 13, 8:23 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

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Well, if you're interested in investment in the boat business... I've
got an extra hammer
---------------------------

Which end to you hold?

Eisboch

Ok, can you stir glue? Maybe we can get Tom to do the glass work. Oh,
oh... we better hide...

On Mar 13, 7:11*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Mar 13, 9:05 am, carbon performance
wrote:
We currently have standing orders for our boats, and require capital
for the production of our models. We are prepared to discuss either a
loan or partnership structure, and would be willing to secure the
capital against the boats as they are built, as well as offering
production prices for our products.

If anyone is aware of a source, or is interested in discussing this in
further detail, please feel free to visit our website
atwww.CarbonPerformanceBoats.comorcontact me directly at


I really don't know, because ,well... I really don't know. *But I was
wondering, if the boat on the front of your website is really one
you've constructed? *Also, from an average (or not) consumers point, I
think you need to add much more info. in your website. It sound like
you're wanting to make an absolute quality craft and not "cut corners"
which is good. But when I looked at your site there didn't seem to me
that there would be much to hold my interest. My advice isn't much and
I know it, but I think you need to pump up your website and it would
possibly aid in attracting investors.

The best of luck to you!

------------------------------------------

This guy kinda caught my attention for some reason. *Maybe it's because I
got a sense of an entrepreneurial flavor to his post which I liked.

The website, although sparse, is well written and transmits a vision of
attempting to offer a high quality product, at least from an idealistic
point of view anyway. *I liked it's tone.

Putting aside the fact that I am not a fan of bubble boats, the concern I
have, recognizing that it is based on very little information, is that the
boat does not seem to have any memorable unique attributes to it. *It's
going to compete against a score of established boat manufacturers
building similar boats. * *So, here's the problem. *In order to gain entry
to the marketplace they will have to do something to make it unique and
desirable. The only option is price.

The worst mistake any budding business can make is to underprice their
product to penetrate the market, especially on big ticket items. *You
loose money and it takes many years of being profitable to make it up.
Plus, it's much more difficult to increase prices, once established.

I realize I am just guessing at this and again wish them success, but to
me there's something missing to justify consideration of an investment.

Eisboch

"Lose" *(not "loose") * ...... dope.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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you were right the first time. Investers with "loose" money can easily
"loooze" it, especially on big-ticket items without careful planning.


Agreed, though, unless they have a niche' market there's already old
established names out there that can be tough competitors

On Mar 13, 7:46*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 9:05 am, carbon performance
wrote:
We currently have standing orders for our boats, and require capital
for the production of our models. We are prepared to discuss either a
loan or partnership structure, and would be willing to secure the
capital against the boats as they are built, as well as offering
production prices for our products.

If anyone is aware of a source, or is interested in discussing this in
further detail, please feel free to visit our website
atwww.CarbonPerformanceBoats.comorcontact me directly at


I really don't know, because ,well... I really don't know. *But I was
wondering, if the boat on the front of your website is really one
you've constructed? *Also, from an average (or not) consumers point, I
think you need to add much more info. in your website. It sound like
you're wanting to make an absolute quality craft and not "cut corners"
which is good. But when I looked at your site there didn't seem to me
that there would be much to hold my interest. My advice isn't much and
I know it, but I think you need to pump up your website and it would
possibly aid in attracting investors.

The best of luck to you!

------------------------------------------

This guy kinda caught my attention for some reason. *Maybe it's because I
got a sense of an entrepreneurial flavor to his post which I liked.

The website, although sparse, is well written and transmits a vision of
attempting to offer a high quality product, at least from an idealistic
point of view anyway. *I liked it's tone.

Putting aside the fact that I am not a fan of bubble boats, the concern I
have, recognizing that it is based on very little information, is that the
boat does not seem to have any memorable unique attributes to it. *It's
going to compete against a score of established boat manufacturers
building similar boats. * *So, here's the problem. *In order to gain entry
to the marketplace they will have to do something to make it unique and
desirable. The only option is price.

The worst mistake any budding business can make is to underprice their
product to penetrate the market, especially on big ticket items. *You
loose money and it takes many years of being profitable to make it up.
Plus, it's much more difficult to increase prices, once established.

I realize I am just guessing at this and again wish them success, but to
me there's something missing to justify consideration of an investment.

Eisboch

The boat pictured on the website actually looks like a production Regal or
SeaRay. * The picture is not sharp and identifying logos or decals were most
likely photochopped out.

As you say the website is vague on all aspects of the boat including
construction.

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Could be, Jim.


Maybe I'm not looking in all the right places, but googling the 'net
doesn't provide any info., that is besides their own site.

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 11:20 am, wrote:
On Mar 13, 10:59 am, HK wrote:





carbon performance wrote:
On Mar 13, 10:23 am, wrote:
On Mar 13, 10:05 am, carbon performance
wrote:
We currently have standing orders for our boats, and require capital
for the production of our models. We are prepared to discuss either
a
loan or partnership structure, and would be willing to secure the
capital against the boats as they are built, as well as offering
production prices for our products.
If anyone is aware of a source, or is interested in discussing this
in
further detail, please feel free to visit our website
atwww.CarbonPerformanceBoats.comorcontactmedirectl y at

Yes, contact Harry Krause. He's very wealthy, just ask him. He is
also
very refined and cultured, just ask him. Oh, and he's very truthful
and honest.
I assume that since you did not provide any contact details for Harry
Krause (the wealthy, refined, cultured and honest person) that you
were being sarcastic?
"Loogy" is the newgroup's current leader for "The Most Intellectually
Challenged" Trophy.- Hide quoted text -
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That's our Harry! If someone doesn't believe his bull**** and lies, or
dares to ask him about his bull**** and lies, he'll instantly start
his childish insults and name calling. It's the cultured and refined
way, don't you know?- Hide quoted text -

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Hey loog.. why don't we keep the Harry bashing in house.. This guy has
obviously never been involved in any of our (mine too) folly, he is
just trying to make a living and start a business... Could be a great
asset later when the boating season starts up if we don't scare him
off.. Just my 02...

==========

Why not just stop all bashing?




If that occurred, about nine posters who come here only to "bash" you,
me, and one or two others would have nothing to post.

On Mar 13, 8:05 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Mar 13, 9:05 am, carbon performance
wrote:

We currently have standing orders for our boats, and require capital
for the production of our models. We are prepared to discuss either a
loan or partnership structure, and would be willing to secure the
capital against the boats as they are built, as well as offering
production prices for our products.

If anyone is aware of a source, or is interested in discussing this in
further detail, please feel free to visit our website
atwww.CarbonPerformanceBoats.comorcontact me directly at


I really don't know, because ,well... I really don't know. But I was
wondering, if the boat on the front of your website is really one
you've constructed? Also, from an average (or not) consumers point, I
think you need to add much more info. in your website. It sound like
you're wanting to make an absolute quality craft and not "cut corners"
which is good. But when I looked at your site there didn't seem to me
that there would be much to hold my interest. My advice isn't much and
I know it, but I think you need to pump up your website and it would
possibly aid in attracting investors.

The best of luck to you!

------------------------------------------

This guy kinda caught my attention for some reason. Maybe it's because I
got a sense of an entrepreneurial flavor to his post which I liked.

The website, although sparse, is well written and transmits a vision of
attempting to offer a high quality product, at least from an idealistic
point of view anyway. I liked it's tone.

Putting aside the fact that I am not a fan of bubble boats, the concern I
have, recognizing that it is based on very little information, is that the
boat does not seem to have any memorable unique attributes to it. It's
going to compete against a score of established boat manufacturers building
similar boats. So, here's the problem. In order to gain entry to the
marketplace they will have to do something to make it unique and desirable.
The only option is price.

The worst mistake any budding business can make is to underprice their
product to penetrate the market, especially on big ticket items. You loose
money and it takes many years of being profitable to make it up. Plus,
it's much more difficult to increase prices, once established.

I realize I am just guessing at this and again wish them success, but to me
there's something missing to justify consideration of an investment.

Eisboch


Thank you everyone for your responses.

I do agree, our website is, as some of you have said, "sparse"
however, that is intentional on our part. The reason that we
simplified the site is that we only wanted to provide basic
information to individuals that might be interested in discussing a
partnership with us. It is not meant to answer every question, or
provide a detailed business summary for everyone who views the site to
read.

The boat that you see pictured on the website is a generic model boat,
and is not meant to be representative of what we are producing. We do
intend to completely revamp the website when appropriate, however, at
this point the object of the site was simply to provide additional
information to potential partners. The initial boat that we will be
producing is a 22' performance offshore boat, with sleeping
arrangements, and cooking options.

Our intention with this business and design is to allow a wider
customization of the product by the buyer, beyond simply choosing the
exterior and interior colours, and whether to include a marine radio
or not. Our buyers are able to essentially build their boat "from the
ground up". They are in total control of the entire build process
from start to finish. The only aspect that they are not able to
customize is the actual hull. The deck is fully customizable, from
just a basic fiberglass deck with no windows, grab-rails, or sun deck,
to a fully optioned carbon-fiber deck that is stronger then steel. We
also offer a mahogany deck for customers that are interested in the
nostalgic boats of the past, with the reliability and durability that
a fiberglass or carbon fiber hull provides.

Based on our pricing options for the boat, we are able to offer the
boat at a reduced price, while still making a sizable profit.

Thank you again for all your responses, and I look forward to
discussing this business opportunity with interested parties.

John
carbonboats at yahoo.com
www.carbonperformanceboats.com

On Apr 3, 5:15*pm, carbon performance
wrote:
On Mar 13, 8:05 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:





"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Mar 13, 9:05 am, carbon performance
wrote:

We currently have standing orders for our boats, and require capital
for the production of our models. We are prepared to discuss either a
loan or partnership structure, and would be willing to secure the
capital against the boats as they are built, as well as offering
production prices for our products.

If anyone is aware of a source, or is interested in discussing this in
further detail, please feel free to visit our website
atwww.CarbonPerformanceBoats.comorcontactme directly at


I really don't know, because ,well... I really don't know. *But I was
wondering, if the boat on the front of your website is really one
you've constructed? *Also, from an average (or not) consumers point, I
think you need to add much more info. in your website. It sound like
you're wanting to make an absolute quality craft and not "cut corners"
which is good. But when I looked at your site there didn't seem to me
that there would be much to hold my interest. My advice isn't much and
I know it, but I think you need to pump up your website and it would
possibly aid in attracting investors.

The best of luck to you!

------------------------------------------

This guy kinda caught my attention for some reason. *Maybe it's because I
got a sense of an entrepreneurial flavor to his post which I liked.

The website, although sparse, is well written and transmits a vision of
attempting to offer a high quality product, at least from an idealistic
point of view anyway. *I liked it's tone.

Putting aside the fact that I am not a fan of bubble boats, the concern I
have, recognizing that it is based on very little information, is that the
boat does not seem to have any memorable unique attributes to it. *It's
going to compete against a score of established boat manufacturers building
similar boats. * *So, here's the problem. *In order to gain entry to the
marketplace they will have to do something to make it unique and desirable.
The only option is price.

The worst mistake any budding business can make is to underprice their
product to penetrate the market, especially on big ticket items. *You loose
money and it takes many years of being profitable to make it up. * Plus,
it's much more difficult to increase prices, once established.

I realize I am just guessing at this and again wish them success, but to me
there's something missing to justify consideration of an investment.

Eisboch

Thank you everyone for your responses.

I do agree, our website is, as some of you have said, "sparse"
however, that is intentional on our part. *The reason that we
simplified the site is that we only wanted to provide basic
information to individuals that might be interested in discussing a
partnership with us. *It is not meant to answer every question, or
provide a detailed business summary for everyone who views the site to
read.

The boat that you see pictured on the website is a generic model boat,
and is not meant to be representative of what we are producing. *We do
intend to completely revamp the website when appropriate, however, at
this point the object of the site was simply to provide additional
information to potential partners. *The initial boat that we will be
producing is a 22' performance offshore boat, with sleeping
arrangements, and cooking options.

Our intention with this business and design is to allow a wider
customization of the product by the buyer, beyond simply choosing the
exterior and interior colours, and whether to include a marine radio
or not. *Our buyers are able to essentially build their boat "from the
ground up". *They are in total control of the entire build process
from start to finish. *The only aspect that they are not able to
customize is the actual hull. *The deck is fully customizable, from
just a basic fiberglass deck with no windows, grab-rails, or sun deck,
to a fully optioned carbon-fiber deck that is stronger then steel. *We
also offer a mahogany deck for customers that are interested in the
nostalgic boats of the past, with the reliability and durability that
a fiberglass or carbon fiber hull provides.

Based on our pricing options for the boat, we are able to offer the
boat at a reduced price, while still making a sizable profit.

Thank you again for all your responses, and I look forward to
discussing this business opportunity with interested parties.

John
carbonboats at yahoo.comwww.carbonperformanceboats.com- Hide quoted text -

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Very good, John,

thanks for stepping back in and explaining some items of quesiton.

"carbon performance" wrote in message
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The initial boat that we will be
producing is a 22' performance offshore boat, with sleeping
arrangements, and cooking options.



A 22' performance "offshore boat"?


Eisboch