Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)

I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


Oh, please. We're discussing the criminalization of consensual sex between
adults.


I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex between
adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

Eisboch




I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting
adults who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else
entirely. If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue
should be one only he and his family should have to resolve. If public
funds are involved, it is a different matter.

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The
standard definition. What do you think consensual means? :)

I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our
kids that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your
personal agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


Oh, please. We're discussing the criminalization of consensual sex
between adults.


I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

Eisboch



I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting
adults who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else
entirely. If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue
should be one only he and his family should have to resolve. If public
funds are involved, it is a different matter.

So it is ok for Spitzer to hire hookers but, if anybody else does it
then they are going to jail.

Got it!

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The
standard definition. What do you think consensual means? :)

I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our
kids that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family
agrees. Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your
personal agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


Oh, please. We're discussing the criminalization of consensual sex
between adults.


I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

Eisboch



I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting
adults who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else
entirely. If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue
should be one only he and his family should have to resolve. If public
funds are involved, it is a different matter.

So it is ok for Spitzer to hire hookers but, if anybody else does it
then they are going to jail.

Got it!


Whoooosh.


No, I don't believe it should be illegal for any adult to hire or be a
hooker.

Sometimes I wonder a little about some of you. Did you really come to
that conclusion based upon my post?

"HK" wrote in message
...


I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

Eisboch


I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting adults
who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else entirely.
If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue should be one
only he and his family should have to resolve. If public funds are
involved, it is a different matter.


We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it" means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in doing
so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

Eisboch

I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting adults
who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else entirely.
If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue should be one
only he and his family should have to resolve. If public funds are
involved, it is a different matter.


We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it" means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in doing
so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

Eisboch



I don't disagree at all with your point here. I share your feeling about
loyalty to one's spouse. It's not semantics. I just don't feel it is my
business who Spitzer sleeps with.

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it"
means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in
doing so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

Eisboch

I don't disagree at all with your point here. I share your feeling about
loyalty to one's spouse. It's not semantics. I just don't feel it is my
business who Spitzer sleeps with.

So a politician who is dishonest enough to cheat on his wife should
otherwise be trusted by the rest of the public?

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:
We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it"
means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in
doing so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

Eisboch
I don't disagree at all with your point here. I share your feeling about
loyalty to one's spouse. It's not semantics. I just don't feel it is my
business who Spitzer sleeps with.

So a politician who is dishonest enough to cheat on his wife should
otherwise be trusted by the rest of the public?

Eisboch



Too hard and fast. We have a president who "cheats on the public," which
is probably more significant of an offense.

I think Spitzer is suffering from some sort of personality disorder,
maybe bipolar. I'm not excusing his behavior, but it might explain his
high level of risk-taking.

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

So a politician who is dishonest enough to cheat on his wife should
otherwise be trusted by the rest of the public?

Eisboch


Too hard and fast. We have a president who "cheats on the public," which
is probably more significant of an offense.

I think Spitzer is suffering from some sort of personality disorder, maybe
bipolar. I'm not excusing his behavior, but it might explain his high
level of risk-taking.

He's suffering a severe case of pompousness, combined with a dishonest
character.
The more we find excuses for these people, the more they will breed.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

So a politician who is dishonest enough to cheat on his wife should
otherwise be trusted by the rest of the public?

Eisboch


Too hard and fast. We have a president who "cheats on the public," which
is probably more significant of an offense.

I think Spitzer is suffering from some sort of personality disorder,
maybe bipolar. I'm not excusing his behavior, but it might explain his
high level of risk-taking.

He's suffering a severe case of pompousness, combined with a dishonest
character.
The more we find excuses for these people, the more they will breed.

Eisboch


I agree.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...g?t=1205332752

These people need to do a better job of hiding.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:17:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...


I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting adults
who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else entirely.
If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue should be one
only he and his family should have to resolve. If public funds are
involved, it is a different matter.

We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it" means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in doing
so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

We have reached a state in this country where morals have been
replaced by ideology.

Think about that for a minute.

In effect, if one's ideology matches that of the miscreant, then one
can justify the action by using moral ambiguity as a justification.
Ideology trumps morals.

It's a sad state of affairs.