One must wonder...
 

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"HK" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

Try that line on your wife and see how it flies.


We agree. We're loyal to each other because we are, but we don't believe
that matters of sexuality between consenting adults should be the
business
of the law, or even the general public.

I don't give a damn who Governor Spitzer sleeps with, not even if he
sleeps with hookers, so long as he is using his own money to pay for his
fun. If he was using public funds, he should be prosecuted for that, but
not for the sex.

Well, she's one lucky woman that the great Harry Krause hasn't cheated on
her yet. Perhaps he hasn't had the opportunity.

Or the means.

One must wonder...
 

wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

Try that line on your wife and see how it flies.


We agree. We're loyal to each other because we are, but we don't believe
that matters of sexuality between consenting adults should be the
business
of the law, or even the general public.

I don't give a damn who Governor Spitzer sleeps with, not even if he
sleeps with hookers, so long as he is using his own money to pay for his
fun. If he was using public funds, he should be prosecuted for that, but
not for the sex.

Well, she's one lucky woman that the great Harry Krause hasn't cheated on
her yet. Perhaps he hasn't had the opportunity.

Or the means.

One must wonder...
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The
standard definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our
kids that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your
personal agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


Look at the slime he associates with and admires. It's no wonder he
has no moral or ethical foundation.


Diving back down there again, eh, Jim?

You know who I don't admire, right? I don't admire a president of the
united states who lies the country into a war with Iraq and whose lies
result in thousands being killed and seriously injured. Compared to
that, extracurricular sex seems meek.

I suspect my "morals and ethics" are on a much higher plane than your
typical conservative Republican "family values" hypocrite.

What are your morals and ethics. From what you type in this group you
are without both.


Heh heh heh.

You're right: I could never make it as a hypocritical, sexist, racist,
war-mongering right-winger.

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"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget
the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


This behavior seems normal if you are a swinger like Harry. This guy
really gives me the creeps.


Are you projecting again? Why would you think I was a "swinger," because I
am not upset by adult expressions of sexuality?
No, that's not it. I don't think you can tell the difference between right
and wrong.

One must wonder...
 

wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our
kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget
the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


This behavior seems normal if you are a swinger like Harry. This guy
really gives me the creeps.


Are you projecting again? Why would you think I was a "swinger,"
because I am not upset by adult expressions of sexuality?
No, that's not it. I don't think you can tell the difference between
right and wrong.

Right and wrong are positions to Harry.

The side he is on is right and everyone else is wrong. Simple.

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may
lose
their base.

Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.


Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political party
because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of "family
values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting to point out
the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.

One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat party
has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the bar
aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.



I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is the
business of anyone other than the adults involved in the relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.

..Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
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I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

Eisboch


I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting adults
who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else entirely.
If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue should be one
only he and his family should have to resolve. If public funds are
involved, it is a different matter.


We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it" means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in doing
so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

Eisboch

One must wonder...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

Eisboch

I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting adults
who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else entirely.
If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue should be one
only he and his family should have to resolve. If public funds are
involved, it is a different matter.


We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it" means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in doing
so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

Eisboch



I don't disagree at all with your point here. I share your feeling about
loyalty to one's spouse. It's not semantics. I just don't feel it is my
business who Spitzer sleeps with.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Well, in that case, I offer up The Bush Administration. Pure hypocrisy, no
ethics or morals.

I win.


I don't know about that. The issues discussed in the Duck's link earlier
this morning suggest that Bush and Cheney have a plan far beyond that
imaginable by their critics.

Eisboch

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"HK" wrote in message
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Well, of course not...The Bush Administration controls the federal
prosecutors, and you know what happens to them...if you don't toe the
line, Gonzo fires you. Or, if you are prosecuted and convicted, the chief
hypocrite gives you a get out of jail free card.



But look at the bright side. He sang a song about it.

"Down the lane I look and here comes Scooter, finally free of the
prosecutor."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008...iron_fare.html

Eisboch