One must wonder...
 

wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

Try that line on your wife and see how it flies.


We agree. We're loyal to each other because we are, but we don't believe
that matters of sexuality between consenting adults should be the
business
of the law, or even the general public.

I don't give a damn who Governor Spitzer sleeps with, not even if he
sleeps with hookers, so long as he is using his own money to pay for his
fun. If he was using public funds, he should be prosecuted for that, but
not for the sex.

Well, she's one lucky woman that the great Harry Krause hasn't cheated on
her yet. Perhaps he hasn't had the opportunity.

Or the means.

One must wonder...
 

wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

Try that line on your wife and see how it flies.


We agree. We're loyal to each other because we are, but we don't believe
that matters of sexuality between consenting adults should be the
business
of the law, or even the general public.

I don't give a damn who Governor Spitzer sleeps with, not even if he
sleeps with hookers, so long as he is using his own money to pay for his
fun. If he was using public funds, he should be prosecuted for that, but
not for the sex.

Well, she's one lucky woman that the great Harry Krause hasn't cheated on
her yet. Perhaps he hasn't had the opportunity.

Or the means.

One must wonder...
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...


Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The
standard definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our
kids that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your
personal agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


Look at the slime he associates with and admires. It's no wonder he
has no moral or ethical foundation.


Diving back down there again, eh, Jim?

You know who I don't admire, right? I don't admire a president of the
united states who lies the country into a war with Iraq and whose lies
result in thousands being killed and seriously injured. Compared to
that, extracurricular sex seems meek.

I suspect my "morals and ethics" are on a much higher plane than your
typical conservative Republican "family values" hypocrite.

What are your morals and ethics. From what you type in this group you
are without both.


Heh heh heh.

You're right: I could never make it as a hypocritical, sexist, racist,
war-mongering right-winger.

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...


Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget
the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


This behavior seems normal if you are a swinger like Harry. This guy
really gives me the creeps.


Are you projecting again? Why would you think I was a "swinger," because I
am not upset by adult expressions of sexuality?
No, that's not it. I don't think you can tell the difference between right
and wrong.

One must wonder...
 

wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...


Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our
kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget
the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


This behavior seems normal if you are a swinger like Harry. This guy
really gives me the creeps.


Are you projecting again? Why would you think I was a "swinger,"
because I am not upset by adult expressions of sexuality?
No, that's not it. I don't think you can tell the difference between
right and wrong.

Right and wrong are positions to Harry.

The side he is on is right and everyone else is wrong. Simple.

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may
lose
their base.

Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.


Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political party
because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of "family
values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting to point out
the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.

One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat party
has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the bar
aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.



I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is the
business of anyone other than the adults involved in the relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.

..Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...


I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

Eisboch


I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting adults
who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else entirely.
If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue should be one
only he and his family should have to resolve. If public funds are
involved, it is a different matter.


We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it" means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in doing
so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

Eisboch

One must wonder...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

Eisboch

I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting adults
who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else entirely.
If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue should be one
only he and his family should have to resolve. If public funds are
involved, it is a different matter.


We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it" means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in doing
so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

Eisboch



I don't disagree at all with your point here. I share your feeling about
loyalty to one's spouse. It's not semantics. I just don't feel it is my
business who Spitzer sleeps with.

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...



Well, in that case, I offer up The Bush Administration. Pure hypocrisy, no
ethics or morals.

I win.


I don't know about that. The issues discussed in the Duck's link earlier
this morning suggest that Bush and Cheney have a plan far beyond that
imaginable by their critics.

Eisboch

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...


Well, of course not...The Bush Administration controls the federal
prosecutors, and you know what happens to them...if you don't toe the
line, Gonzo fires you. Or, if you are prosecuted and convicted, the chief
hypocrite gives you a get out of jail free card.



But look at the bright side. He sang a song about it.

"Down the lane I look and here comes Scooter, finally free of the
prosecutor."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008...iron_fare.html

Eisboch

One must wonder...
 

HK wrote:
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults
is the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

Try that line on your wife and see how it flies.


We agree. We're loyal to each other because we are, but we don't believe
that matters of sexuality between consenting adults should be the
business of the law, or even the general public.

I don't give a damn who Governor Spitzer sleeps with, not even if he
sleeps with hookers, so long as he is using his own money to pay for his
fun. If he was using public funds, he should be prosecuted for that, but
not for the sex.

I think prostitution and drugs should be decriminalized, but i would
never recommend we just ignore those crimes we don't agree with. I
guess that is one of the things you and will just disagree.

One must wonder...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...



Well, in that case, I offer up The Bush Administration. Pure hypocrisy,
no ethics or morals.

I win.


I don't know about that. The issues discussed in the Duck's link earlier
this morning suggest that Bush and Cheney have a plan far beyond that
imaginable by their critics.

Eisboch

Oh, oh, look out below, incoming. 8-)

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it"
means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in
doing so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

Eisboch

I don't disagree at all with your point here. I share your feeling about
loyalty to one's spouse. It's not semantics. I just don't feel it is my
business who Spitzer sleeps with.

So a politician who is dishonest enough to cheat on his wife should
otherwise be trusted by the rest of the public?

Eisboch

One must wonder...
 

wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...


Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our
kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget
the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


This behavior seems normal if you are a swinger like Harry. This guy
really gives me the creeps.


Are you projecting again? Why would you think I was a "swinger,"
because I am not upset by adult expressions of sexuality?
No, that's not it. I don't think you can tell the difference between
right and wrong.


Ahh, well. That's your problem, not mine.

One must wonder...
 

D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may
lose
their base.
Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.

Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political party
because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of "family
values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting to point out
the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.
One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat party
has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the bar
aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.


I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is the
business of anyone other than the adults involved in the relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.

.Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.



Indeed he is. But that isn't illegal, usually.

One must wonder...
 

On Mar 12, 8:48*am, HK wrote:
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

Try that line on your wife and see how it flies.

We agree. We're loyal to each other because we are, but we don't believe
that matters of sexuality between consenting adults should be the
business of the law, or even the general public.

I don't give a damn who Governor Spitzer sleeps with, not even if he
sleeps with hookers, so long as he is using his own money to pay for his
fun. If he was using public funds, he should be prosecuted for that, but
not for the sex.

I agree with one caveat. If he broke any laws he should also be
prosecuted. Breaking the law, whether you believe in that actual law
is still breaking the law.

One must wonder...
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults
is the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

Try that line on your wife and see how it flies.


We agree. We're loyal to each other because we are, but we don't
believe that matters of sexuality between consenting adults should be
the business of the law, or even the general public.

I don't give a damn who Governor Spitzer sleeps with, not even if he
sleeps with hookers, so long as he is using his own money to pay for
his fun. If he was using public funds, he should be prosecuted for
that, but not for the sex.

I think prostitution and drugs should be decriminalized, but i would
never recommend we just ignore those crimes we don't agree with. I
guess that is one of the things you and will just disagree.


If prostitution is decriminalized, well, then, it isn't a crime, is it?

Stupid laws should be fought. If we followed your example, we'd still
have segregation.

One must wonder...
 

D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
...


Well, in that case, I offer up The Bush Administration. Pure hypocrisy,
no ethics or morals.

I win.

I don't know about that. The issues discussed in the Duck's link earlier
this morning suggest that Bush and Cheney have a plan far beyond that
imaginable by their critics.

Eisboch

Oh, oh, look out below, incoming. 8-)




I missed that gem.

One must wonder...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:
We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it"
means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in
doing so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

Eisboch
I don't disagree at all with your point here. I share your feeling about
loyalty to one's spouse. It's not semantics. I just don't feel it is my
business who Spitzer sleeps with.

So a politician who is dishonest enough to cheat on his wife should
otherwise be trusted by the rest of the public?

Eisboch



Too hard and fast. We have a president who "cheats on the public," which
is probably more significant of an offense.

I think Spitzer is suffering from some sort of personality disorder,
maybe bipolar. I'm not excusing his behavior, but it might explain his
high level of risk-taking.

One must wonder...
 

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:55:24 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a Republican
is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may lose
their base.

He paid for a hooker. bfd Misdemeaner most places.

Believe it or not, I'm not in the prostitution is evil camp - I don't
view it as a victimless crime, but on the other hand, it's not
something that is going to disappear from the face of the earth. I
dont' know what the answer is, but as a crime, I'm just not that sure.

However, if one is a crusading prosecuter who holds to a theoritical
high moral ground, who prosecutes and/or persecutes prostitution rings
and then uses those same services for whatever reason, then the
personal hyprocrisy is really the issue. Do as I say, not as I do
kind of issue.

Additionally, structuring payments to hide illegal activity is a crime
wether you agree that the activity is a crime or not. Transporting
prostitutes across state lines is a felony - Mann Act.

Complications arising from busting prostitution rings from one crime
family while not busting prostitution rings from a different crime
family (and this is speculation - I'm admitting it, but it is a
possibility) is the height of hubris not to mention illegal.

So it's not just all about sex - it's about crime and he committed
more than just one.

One must wonder...
 

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:17:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...


I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting adults
who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else entirely.
If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue should be one
only he and his family should have to resolve. If public funds are
involved, it is a different matter.

We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it" means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in doing
so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

We have reached a state in this country where morals have been
replaced by ideology.

Think about that for a minute.

In effect, if one's ideology matches that of the miscreant, then one
can justify the action by using moral ambiguity as a justification.
Ideology trumps morals.

It's a sad state of affairs.

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...


Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The
standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our
kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget
the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


This behavior seems normal if you are a swinger like Harry. This guy
really gives me the creeps.


Are you projecting again? Why would you think I was a "swinger," because
I am not upset by adult expressions of sexuality?
No, that's not it. I don't think you can tell the difference between
right and wrong.


Ahh, well. That's your problem, not mine.

Wrong again. It was probably back in the sixties when the oil leaked out of
your moral compass. It's been spinning out of control ever since. The
difference between you and many other people that had that problem back then
is that most of em got their compass fixed and you didn't.
And that's your problem.

One must wonder...
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may
lose
their base.

Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.


Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political party
because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of "family values,"
and since it obviously is not, it is interesting to point out the various
sexual adventures of "family value" conservatives/Republicans. My
favorite exposes involve conservative/Republicans and gays.

One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat party
has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the bar
aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.



Democrats are less likely to suggest that people live like families which
only exist in books written for toddlers.

One must wonder...
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
jamesgangnc wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a Republican
is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may lose
their base.
--
John

He paid for a hooker. bfd Misdemeaner most places.

Speeding is illegal and nobody much cares about it until some gets killed.
Does that mean that we should stop enforcing the speeding laws?



Did Spitzer's actions result in someone's death?

You need to find another analogy, Blurt.

One must wonder...
 

wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...


Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The
standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage
our kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget
the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


This behavior seems normal if you are a swinger like Harry. This
guy really gives me the creeps.


Are you projecting again? Why would you think I was a "swinger,"
because I am not upset by adult expressions of sexuality?
No, that's not it. I don't think you can tell the difference between
right and wrong.


Ahh, well. That's your problem, not mine.

Wrong again. It was probably back in the sixties when the oil leaked out
of your moral compass. It's been spinning out of control ever since. The
difference between you and many other people that had that problem back
then is that most of em got their compass fixed and you didn't.
And that's your problem.


You are quite the funny guy. It's always amusing when right wingers make
moral pronouncements about others.

One must wonder...
 

HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats
may lose
their base.
Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.

Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political
party because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of
"family values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting
to point out the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.
One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat
party has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the
bar aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.


I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults
is the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family
value" conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.

.Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.


Indeed he is. But that isn't illegal, usually.


But paying for a hooker and financially supporting an illegal business is.

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...

D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
...


Well, in that case, I offer up The Bush Administration. Pure hypocrisy,
no ethics or morals.

I win.

I don't know about that. The issues discussed in the Duck's link
earlier this morning suggest that Bush and Cheney have a plan far beyond
that imaginable by their critics.

Eisboch

Oh, oh, look out below, incoming. 8-)


I missed that gem.


http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Grab a cup of coffee. It will take a while to read.

Eisboch

One must wonder...
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may
lose
their base.
Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.

Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political
party because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of
"family values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting to
point out the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.
One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat
party has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the
bar aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.


I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family
value" conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.

.Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.


Indeed he is. But that isn't illegal, usually.


But paying for a hooker and financially supporting an illegal business is.


Not illegal everywhere, and that's why most cops are smart enough to not
obsess about it. If a law enforcement agency puts a lot of attention into it
on occasion, it's almost always for some other reason.

Everyone knows that.

One must wonder...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

So a politician who is dishonest enough to cheat on his wife should
otherwise be trusted by the rest of the public?

Eisboch


Too hard and fast. We have a president who "cheats on the public," which
is probably more significant of an offense.

I think Spitzer is suffering from some sort of personality disorder, maybe
bipolar. I'm not excusing his behavior, but it might explain his high
level of risk-taking.

He's suffering a severe case of pompousness, combined with a dishonest
character.
The more we find excuses for these people, the more they will breed.

Eisboch

One must wonder...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

So a politician who is dishonest enough to cheat on his wife should
otherwise be trusted by the rest of the public?

Eisboch


Too hard and fast. We have a president who "cheats on the public," which
is probably more significant of an offense.

I think Spitzer is suffering from some sort of personality disorder,
maybe bipolar. I'm not excusing his behavior, but it might explain his
high level of risk-taking.

He's suffering a severe case of pompousness, combined with a dishonest
character.
The more we find excuses for these people, the more they will breed.

Eisboch


I agree.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...g?t=1205332752

These people need to do a better job of hiding.

One must wonder...
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may
lose
their base.
Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.
Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political
party because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of
"family values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting to
point out the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.
One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat
party has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the
bar aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.

I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family
value" conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.
.Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.

Indeed he is. But that isn't illegal, usually.

But paying for a hooker and financially supporting an illegal business is.


Not illegal everywhere, and that's why most cops are smart enough to not
obsess about it. If a law enforcement agency puts a lot of attention into it
on occasion, it's almost always for some other reason.

Everyone knows that.



Goodbye.

One must wonder...
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats
may lose
their base.
Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.
Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political
party because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of
"family values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting
to point out the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.
One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat
party has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the
bar aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.

I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults
is the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family
value" conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.
.Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.

Indeed he is. But that isn't illegal, usually.

But paying for a hooker and financially supporting an illegal business
is.


Not illegal everywhere, and that's why most cops are smart enough to not
obsess about it. If a law enforcement agency puts a lot of attention into
it on occasion, it's almost always for some other reason.

Everyone knows that.

Goodbye.



Why? It's true. Ask any cop, especially in a big city where there are much
scarier things they need to deal with. They may round up hookers & johns if
they're becoming an annoyance and there are complaints from businesses &
residents. But, generally, they leave them alone.

What kind of fairy tale world do you live in?

One must wonder...
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats
may lose
their base.
Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.
Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political
party because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of
"family values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting
to point out the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.
One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat
party has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the
bar aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.

I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults
is the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family
value" conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.
.Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.

Indeed he is. But that isn't illegal, usually.

But paying for a hooker and financially supporting an illegal business
is.

Not illegal everywhere, and that's why most cops are smart enough to not
obsess about it. If a law enforcement agency puts a lot of attention into
it on occasion, it's almost always for some other reason.

Everyone knows that.
Goodbye.



Why? It's true. Ask any cop, especially in a big city where there are much
scarier things they need to deal with. They may round up hookers & johns if
they're becoming an annoyance and there are complaints from businesses &
residents. But, generally, they leave them alone.

What kind of fairy tale world do you live in?




ReggieVille?

One must wonder...
 

"John Q. Public" wrote in message
...
In message , John H. is
alleged to have said:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat, although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is involved in a sex scandal.

Our paper's headline:

GOP calls on Spitzer to resign

It uses those words because they accurately describe who is calling on him
to resign.



No mention of scandal. No mention of whores.

Today's headline? If yes, there's no mention of those things because you'd
have to be living in a cave to have missed the rest of the story.


No mention of Democrats.

Rewrite the story. Pretend you majored in journalism.

One must wonder...
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...


Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The
standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our
kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget
the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your
personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


This behavior seems normal if you are a swinger like Harry. This guy
really gives me the creeps.


Are you projecting again? Why would you think I was a "swinger,"
because I am not upset by adult expressions of sexuality?
No, that's not it. I don't think you can tell the difference between
right and wrong.


Ahh, well. That's your problem, not mine.

Wrong again. It was probably back in the sixties when the oil leaked out
of your moral compass. It's been spinning out of control ever since. The
difference between you and many other people that had that problem back
then is that most of em got their compass fixed and you didn't.
And that's your problem.


You are quite the funny guy. It's always amusing when right wingers make
moral pronouncements about others.

Oh. I've got some stuff for you that will keep you in stitches. But for now
I am awarding you a time out. Buh Bye. snerk

One must wonder...
 

wrote:


You are quite the funny guy. It's always amusing when right wingers
make moral pronouncements about others.

Oh. I've got some stuff for you that will keep you in stitches. But for
now I am awarding you a time out. Buh Bye. snerk

Stitches? You threatening me?

One must wonder...
 

On Mar 12, 10:40*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
...
HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may
lose
their base.
Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.
Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political
party because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of
"family values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting to
point out the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.
One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat
party has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the
bar aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.

I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family
value" conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.
.Hypocrisy you say. *Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.

Indeed he is. But that isn't illegal, usually.

But paying for a hooker and financially supporting an illegal business is.

Not illegal everywhere, and that's why most cops are smart enough to not
obsess about it. If a law enforcement agency puts a lot of attention into it
on occasion, it's almost always for some other reason.

Everyone knows that.

Goodbye.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I generally don't infringe on SW's territory, but I have to say

~~snerk~~

Cause that just says it best.;)

One must wonder...
 

wrote in message
...
On Mar 12, 10:40 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
message
...
HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats
may
lose
their base.
Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what
political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.
Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political
party because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of
"family values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting
to
point out the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.
One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat
party has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the
bar aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.

I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults
is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family
value" conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.
.Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.

Indeed he is. But that isn't illegal, usually.

But paying for a hooker and financially supporting an illegal business
is.

Not illegal everywhere, and that's why most cops are smart enough to not
obsess about it. If a law enforcement agency puts a lot of attention
into it
on occasion, it's almost always for some other reason.

Everyone knows that.

Goodbye.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I generally don't infringe on SW's territory, but I have to say

~~snerk~~

Cause that just says it best.;)

============================


Reggie is allergic to facts.

One must wonder...
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:19:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
m...
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may
lose
their base.

Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.


Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political
party
because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of "family
values,"
and since it obviously is not, it is interesting to point out the
various
sexual adventures of "family value" conservatives/Republicans. My
favorite exposes involve conservative/Republicans and gays.

One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat party
has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the bar
aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.



Democrats are less likely to suggest that people live like families which
only exist in books written for toddlers.


From what I've seen, you could put your period after the word 'families'
in
your sentence above.
--
John


That's because you're lying. Or, because you don't see much. Don't fret
about it. It's a plague.

One must wonder...
 

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:06:40 -0400, BAR wrote:

wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...
I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

Try that line on your wife and see how it flies.


We agree. We're loyal to each other because we are, but we don't believe
that matters of sexuality between consenting adults should be the
business
of the law, or even the general public.

I don't give a damn who Governor Spitzer sleeps with, not even if he
sleeps with hookers, so long as he is using his own money to pay for his
fun. If he was using public funds, he should be prosecuted for that, but
not for the sex.

Well, she's one lucky woman that the great Harry Krause hasn't cheated on
her yet. Perhaps he hasn't had the opportunity.

Or the means.

Harry is the type who is also unconcerned about the fact that half of the
black females from 14-19 have an STD, or that 25% of all 14-19 year-old
females have an STD.

It's a liberal thing.
--
John