"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
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A significant part of that is the fact that the dollar is worthless.
Factor in the declining value of the dollar. Thank you idiot bush.


What does Bush (or any president) have to do with the price of oil or
the value of the dollar?

(Not argumentative, but I am really interested in learning how the POTUS
controls and is responsible for such things)

Please be specific and not speculative.

Eisboch


I have to leave for a meeting, so I don't have time for a numbered answer,
but the one thing Bush never takes seriously is the fact that he has a
"bully pulpit" to lean on oil companies, drug companies, importers of
Chinese toys, et cetera, and foster public opinion to force changes in
corporate behavior. He can also threaten legislation.

President Dupe, however, does nothing. He pays lip service to consumer
concerns, but he does nothing.

That's a starter.

Fair enough, but still, it's speculative and subjective. I am looking for
specific reasons why and how the *POTUS* controls the price of oil on the
world market and the value of the dollar.

Eisboch

On Mar 11, 9:42*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
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A significant part of that is the fact that the dollar is worthless.
Factor in the declining value of the dollar. *Thank you idiot bush.

What does Bush (or any president) *have to do with the price of oil or
the value of the dollar?

(Not argumentative, but I am really interested in learning how the POTUS
controls and is responsible for such things)

Please be specific and not speculative.

Eisboch

I have to leave for a meeting, so I don't have time for a numbered answer,
but the one thing Bush never takes seriously is the fact that he has a
"bully pulpit" to lean on oil companies, drug companies, importers of
Chinese toys, et cetera, and foster public opinion to force changes in
corporate behavior. He can also threaten legislation.

President Dupe, however, does nothing. He pays lip service to consumer
concerns, but he does nothing.

That's a starter.

Fair enough, but still, it's speculative and subjective. * I am looking for
specific reasons why and how the *POTUS* controls the price of oil on the
world market and the value of the dollar.

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I'd just turn that question around. You think that the actions of the
us executive branch does not have any influence on the world economy?

It will always be speculative. But I'm thinking my speculation that
had bush done some things differently over the past 8 years the value
of the dollar would be higher and the price of a barrel of oil would
be lower is ringing true with a whole lot of the citizens these days.
The next set of choices will all be far more moderate than bush and
his crowd. McCain is a close to being a democrat as a republican can
be. If he wins it will be because moderates put him in so he's not
going to owe the extreme right wingnuts anything.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:51:39 -0700, JamesGangNC wrote:


McCain is a close to being a democrat as a republican can be. If he
wins it will be because moderates put him in so he's not going to owe
the extreme right wingnuts anything.

The American Conservative Union gives McCain an 83, out of 100, lifetime
rating, hardly a Democrat. He doesn't follow the party line, which I
think is a good thing whether Democrat or Republican. But the only ones
questioning his conservative credentials, are those extreme right wing
nuts.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:42:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:




Fair enough, but still, it's speculative and subjective. I am looking for
specific reasons why and how the *POTUS* controls the price of oil on the
world market and the value of the dollar.

Ask yourself why the Captain is responsible when a ship runs aground.
Same difference.
Don't get me wrong. It's not just Bush. The Wall Street Greed gang
is running this ship, and the crew has lost all discipline, drunk as
they are on cheap Chinese grog. Bush is just their figurehead,
nothing more. It started with Reagan's hare-brained Voodoo economics,
and his successors have carried on.
But each Captain is still responsible.
The cheap dollar - Polish people tell American dollar jokes - can be
directly tied to U.S. deficit spending and debt, and lack of goods
production in the U.S. due to offshoring jobs to keep the grog cheap.
The price of oil is a storm the ship was willingly steered into, when
all the radar showed it was there. Good Captains would have treated
oil with at least as much respect as made water, and confined the crew
to Navy showers while he had the engineers work on alternatives.
But the Captains were weak, and the crew were whiners.
Long luxurious baths in oil were the norm.
The law of supply and demand was ignored.
We're on the rocks now. There's only one Captain.
I don't see the upcoming replacements as being much better.
It will take Pat Buchanan, Dick Nixon, maybe Lou Dobbs
types to get us off the rocks permanently.
A hardass, not the gutless internationalists in the hopper.
Might be facile analogies, but that's one way to look at it.
From my perspective, our biggest weakness is consumer deadbeatism.
As a country, you can't consume more than you produce.
Not for long, anyway.
Anyway, that's how I see it. Of course, I might be all wrong.

--Vic

On Mar 11, 5:15*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
*The Wall Street Greed gang
is running this ship, and the crew has lost all discipline, drunk as
they are on cheap Chinese grog. *


"The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash."
- (Churchill's assistant, Anthony Montague-Browne )