Hate to bring up boating...
 

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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...but the average price of gasoline has hit a record nationally, even
adjusted for inflation, according to CNN this morning.
or four engines.

Maybe that's why there is so much discussion here of guitars, stock car
racing, television set, et cetera... :)


Not really. We still have a several year supply of cheap diesel fuel to
use up on the GB if we keep it.
Unless I take it on a long distance trip, what we have will probably last
2 or 3 seasons of "normal" usage.

The real reason is because it' still as cold, wet and crappy up here.
Light snow in the forecast for tomorrow.

Eisboch

Yeah, it was 34F here when I took my leashed "outdoor" cat for a walk a
while ago. I told him it was too damned cold, but he was having none of
it.

I had to go back to wearing my mittens when walking our Springer Spaniel
yesterday.

Hate to bring up boating...
 

"HK" wrote in message
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On Mar 11, 8:28 am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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...but the average price of gasoline has hit a record nationally, even
adjusted for inflation, according to CNN this morning.
or four engines.
Maybe that's why there is so much discussion here of guitars, stock
car
racing, television set, et cetera... :)
Not really. We still have a several year supply of cheap diesel fuel
to use
up on the GB if we keep it.
Unless I take it on a long distance trip, what we have will probably
last 2
or 3 seasons of "normal" usage.
The real reason is because it' still as cold, wet and crappy up here.
Light snow in the forecast for tomorrow.
Eisboch
Yeah, it was 34F here when I took my leashed "outdoor" cat for a walk a
while ago. I told him it was too damned cold, but he was having none of
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I have to wonder about it. Last time the gas crunch hit, my little
boats went like wildfire.. so far this week I have had over 1000 hits
to my website, I imagine if I get healthy and put the order page back
up, it will go nuts as folks downgrade their gas usage.. An my boats
will have flotation so you can skimp without being stupid;)


I am in favor of boat "downsizing." I did it, but saving gas was not the
primary reason. Still, it is an appealing benefit. I burn a little more
than half as much gasoline at cruise with my F150 than I did with the
F225.

I suppose the Lake Lanier boys will save a lot of money on gas this year,
because their boats will be on the hard. :)

Waylon can just let his boat drift from shore to shore.

Hate to bring up boating...
 

"HK" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
...but the average price of gasoline has hit a record nationally, even
adjusted for inflation, according to CNN this morning.

The average price is now higher than quoted in this squib:

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. average retail gasoline prices have reached a
new high of almost $3.20 per gallon and will likely jump another 20 to 30
cents in the next month, worsening the pain of consumers struggling to
make ends meet in an economic downturn.

$3.22, according to CNN.

This is going to have a major impact on almost all aspects of boating, I
would guess. Ironic, because I was looking at a huge set of photos from
the recent Miami International Boat Show, and almost everyone seemed to
be offering ever larger boats, including many outboard models with three
or four engines.

Maybe that's why there is so much discussion here of guitars, stock car
racing, television set, et cetera... :)


Oil is now up over $109 a barrel.

A significant part of that is the fact that the dollar is worthless. Factor
in the declining value of the dollar. Thank you idiot bush.

Hate to bring up boating...
 

On Mar 11, 8:38*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:28 am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
...but the average price of gasoline has hit a record nationally, even
adjusted for inflation, according to CNN this morning.
or four engines.
Maybe that's why there is so much discussion here of guitars, stock car
racing, television set, et cetera... *:)
Not really. *We still have a several year supply of cheap diesel fuel to use
up on the GB if we keep it.
Unless I take it on a long distance trip, what we have will probably last 2
or 3 seasons of "normal" usage.
The real reason is because it' still *as cold, wet and crappy up here.
Light snow in the forecast for tomorrow.
Eisboch
Yeah, it was 34F here when I took my leashed "outdoor" cat for a walk a
while ago. I told him it was too damned cold, but he was having none of it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have to wonder about it. Last time the gas crunch hit, my little
boats went like wildfire.. so far this week I have had over 1000 hits
to my website, I imagine if I get healthy and put the order page back
up, it will go nuts as folks downgrade their gas usage.. An my boats
will have flotation so you can skimp without being stupid;)

I am in favor of boat "downsizing." I did it, but saving gas was not the
primary reason. Still, it is an appealing benefit. I burn a little more
than half as much gasoline at cruise with my F150 than I did with the F225..

I suppose the Lake Lanier boys will save a lot of money on gas this
year, because their boats will be on the hard. * :)- Hide quoted text -

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Why would their boats be on the hard? At least you don't have to buy
fuel to run, say a 36 foot Zimmerman like lobster boat.....

Hate to bring up boating...
 

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
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A significant part of that is the fact that the dollar is worthless.
Factor in the declining value of the dollar. Thank you idiot bush.


What does Bush (or any president) have to do with the price of oil or the
value of the dollar?

(Not argumentative, but I am really interested in learning how the POTUS
controls and is responsible for such things)

Please be specific and not speculative.

Eisboch

Hate to bring up boating...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
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A significant part of that is the fact that the dollar is worthless.
Factor in the declining value of the dollar. Thank you idiot bush.


What does Bush (or any president) have to do with the price of oil or the
value of the dollar?

(Not argumentative, but I am really interested in learning how the POTUS
controls and is responsible for such things)

Please be specific and not speculative.

Eisboch




I have to leave for a meeting, so I don't have time for a numbered
answer, but the one thing Bush never takes seriously is the fact that he
has a "bully pulpit" to lean on oil companies, drug companies, importers
of Chinese toys, et cetera, and foster public opinion to force changes
in corporate behavior. He can also threaten legislation.

President Dupe, however, does nothing. He pays lip service to consumer
concerns, but he does nothing.

That's a starter.

Hate to bring up boating...
 

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
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A significant part of that is the fact that the dollar is worthless.
Factor in the declining value of the dollar. Thank you idiot bush.


What does Bush (or any president) have to do with the price of oil or
the value of the dollar?

(Not argumentative, but I am really interested in learning how the POTUS
controls and is responsible for such things)

Please be specific and not speculative.

Eisboch


I have to leave for a meeting, so I don't have time for a numbered answer,
but the one thing Bush never takes seriously is the fact that he has a
"bully pulpit" to lean on oil companies, drug companies, importers of
Chinese toys, et cetera, and foster public opinion to force changes in
corporate behavior. He can also threaten legislation.

President Dupe, however, does nothing. He pays lip service to consumer
concerns, but he does nothing.

That's a starter.

Fair enough, but still, it's speculative and subjective. I am looking for
specific reasons why and how the *POTUS* controls the price of oil on the
world market and the value of the dollar.

Eisboch

Hate to bring up boating...
 

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:28:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

What does Bush (or any president) have to do with the price of oil or the
value of the dollar?

(Not argumentative, but I am really interested in learning how the POTUS
controls and is responsible for such things)

One major factor is the invasion of Iraq which was directly under
presidential control. It has taken large amounts of Iraqi petro
supply off line, contributed to the defecit spending issue, and
increased the trade imbalance.

Another factor is domestic fiscal policy which kept interest rates too
low for too long after the "dot com" bust. Higher interest rates
attract offshore funds which help to sustain a stronger dollar. Lower
interest rates do the opposite which is why the Fed is now caught
between a rock and a hard place. If they lower interest rates to
stimulate the economy and bail out the credit markets, the dollar will
continue to depreciate which creates inflationary pressures such as
higher oil costs.

The basic issue with oil however is supply and demand. Second and
third world countries have dramatically increased consumption as they
become increasingly developed, and there is only so much oil to go
around.

Hate to bring up boating...
 

On Mar 11, 9:42*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
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A significant part of that is the fact that the dollar is worthless.
Factor in the declining value of the dollar. *Thank you idiot bush.

What does Bush (or any president) *have to do with the price of oil or
the value of the dollar?

(Not argumentative, but I am really interested in learning how the POTUS
controls and is responsible for such things)

Please be specific and not speculative.

Eisboch

I have to leave for a meeting, so I don't have time for a numbered answer,
but the one thing Bush never takes seriously is the fact that he has a
"bully pulpit" to lean on oil companies, drug companies, importers of
Chinese toys, et cetera, and foster public opinion to force changes in
corporate behavior. He can also threaten legislation.

President Dupe, however, does nothing. He pays lip service to consumer
concerns, but he does nothing.

That's a starter.

Fair enough, but still, it's speculative and subjective. * I am looking for
specific reasons why and how the *POTUS* controls the price of oil on the
world market and the value of the dollar.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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I'd just turn that question around. You think that the actions of the
us executive branch does not have any influence on the world economy?

It will always be speculative. But I'm thinking my speculation that
had bush done some things differently over the past 8 years the value
of the dollar would be higher and the price of a barrel of oil would
be lower is ringing true with a whole lot of the citizens these days.
The next set of choices will all be far more moderate than bush and
his crowd. McCain is a close to being a democrat as a republican can
be. If he wins it will be because moderates put him in so he's not
going to owe the extreme right wingnuts anything.

Hate to bring up boating...
 

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:51:39 -0700, JamesGangNC wrote:


McCain is a close to being a democrat as a republican can be. If he
wins it will be because moderates put him in so he's not going to owe
the extreme right wingnuts anything.

The American Conservative Union gives McCain an 83, out of 100, lifetime
rating, hardly a Democrat. He doesn't follow the party line, which I
think is a good thing whether Democrat or Republican. But the only ones
questioning his conservative credentials, are those extreme right wing
nuts.