I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:


I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.


In the US the license would be by state and that will vary. I really
only know of requirements for teenage boaters in Florida. Even then it
is just a course you could take on the BoatUS site
http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/
and there is another course the state recognizes online
http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/

Those may also help you with your insurance rates


I am FL based as well but as a rule the USCG doesn't really enforce most
state or local laws. They usually just ask for
Documentation/registration and a Drivers license.
I have a masters ticket but in 20 years I have never been asked for it.

Eat Me, Trolls wrote:
I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

Nothing is required in Georgia or most other states. Some do (may) have
them and the requirements would differ from state to state if they do.
So one would be dealing with the state water patrol I would think - if
applicable.

Capt Jack R..

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. Local and state LEO are responsible for safety, speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes, ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:21:15 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. Local and state LEO are responsible for safety, speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes, ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

Unless it changed recently, Connecticut has a two tiered PWC requires slightly
more instruction and a few more test questions) Safe Boating Certificate, and
has reciprocity with some states (NY Mass, RI.) If you are in CT waters for
more than 60 days during a calendar year, you have to have a CT safe boating
cert. Rental boats do not require you to have a Cert for rentals 2 weeks or
less. There are NO exceptions for PWC. PWC operation requires a cert no matter
where you are from or how long you are here.


I think PWC operators should be required to have a bachelor's degree in
Engineering with a concentration in Fluid Dynamics.

There'd probably be fewer of them, but they'd be a smart bunch.
--
John H

On Feb 18, 7:21*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:





On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
* * My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and *do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
* * Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. *USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. *Local and state LEO are responsible for safety, speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. *For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes, ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

Unless it changed recently, Connecticut has a two tiered PWC requires slightly
more instruction and a few more test questions) Safe Boating Certificate, and
has reciprocity with some states (NY Mass, RI.) *If you are in CT waters for
more than 60 days during a calendar year, you have to have a CT safe boating
cert. Rental boats do not require you to have a Cert for rentals 2 weeks or
less. There are NO exceptions for PWC. PWC operation requires a cert no matter
where you are from or how long you are here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you trying to say you can rent a boat and drive it in CT for up to
two weeks if you don't have a cert. Cause if that is what you are
saying, I suggest you are way wrong. That is one of the reasons
Chimney Point rentals went out, cause everyone driving a boat here
needs a cert... Period..

On Feb 18, 8:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:05:57 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:21*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
* * My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and *do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
* * Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. *USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. *Local and state LEO are responsible for safety, speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. *For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes, ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

Unless it changed recently, Connecticut has a two tiered PWC requires slightly
more instruction and a few more test questions) Safe Boating Certificate, and
has reciprocity with some states (NY Mass, RI.) *If you are in CT waters for
more than 60 days during a calendar year, you have to have a CT safe boating
cert. Rental boats do not require you to have a Cert for rentals 2 weeks or
less. There are NO exceptions for PWC. PWC operation requires a cert no matter
where you are from or how long you are here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you trying to say you can rent a boat and drive it in CT for up to
two weeks if you don't have a cert. Cause if that is what you are
saying, I suggest you are way wrong. That is one of the reasons
Chimney Point rentals went out, cause everyone driving a boat here
needs a cert... Period..

Sec 15-140e-4 *Exemption for operators of rental vessels

http://www.ct.gov/dep/lib/dep/regulations/15/15-140e-4through15-140v-...

Period!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

well, the page won't load for some reason but I suppose it is what you
say. All I can say is WOW, I never knew that, was it in the origional
law or redone later??

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:23:43 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 18, 8:18 am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:05:57 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:21 am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you
have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out
says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation
which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. Local and state LEO are responsible for safety,
speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a
local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any
means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes,
ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

Unless it changed recently, Connecticut has a two tiered PWC requires
slightly
more instruction and a few more test questions) Safe Boating
Certificate, and
has reciprocity with some states (NY Mass, RI.) If you are in CT
waters for
more than 60 days during a calendar year, you have to have a CT safe
boating
cert. Rental boats do not require you to have a Cert for rentals 2
weeks or
less. There are NO exceptions for PWC. PWC operation requires a cert
no matter
where you are from or how long you are here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you trying to say you can rent a boat and drive it in CT for up to
two weeks if you don't have a cert. Cause if that is what you are
saying, I suggest you are way wrong. That is one of the reasons
Chimney Point rentals went out, cause everyone driving a boat here
needs a cert... Period..

Sec 15-140e-4 Exemption for operators of rental vessels

http://www.ct.gov/dep/lib/dep/regulations/15/15-140e-4through15-140v-...

Period!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

well, the page won't load for some reason but I suppose it is what you
say. All I can say is WOW, I never knew that, was it in the origional
law or redone later??

The page is a .pdf file. You must not have the free adobe acrobat reader
installed on your computer. You might want to get the reader, as that is
how all
the downloads for tax forms for state and federal are provided these days.
If
you go to the "publications and forms" part of the IRS website there is a
link
to download the free reader.

It was an addition to the law, dated 2004. I would have cut and pasted the
text,
but that doesn't work with PDF files.

There is a problem with the link you posted. Probably truncated when copied
and pasted.

You can copy and paste from pdf files, sometimes the formatting gets a
little hosed. Below is a short passage from my Buick manual.

Q: If I am a good driver, and I never drive far from

home, why should I wear safety belts?

A: You may be an excellent driver, but if you are in an

accident - even one that is not your fault - you

and your passengers can be hurt. Being a good

driver does not protect you from things beyond

your control, such as bad drivers.

Most accidents occur within 25 miles (40 km)

of home. And the greatest number of serious

injuries and deaths occur at speeds of less than

40 mph (65 km/h).

Safety belts are for everyone.

On Feb 18, 8:36*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:23:43 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Feb 18, 8:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:05:57 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:21*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
* * My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and *do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
* * Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. *USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. *Local and state LEO are responsible for safety, speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. *For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current..
There may be local residency laws you have to pay attention to like
length of stay before you are taxed for useage (don't ask - it's a
complicated subject around here), but as far as operation goes, ifyou
are legal where you are, you are legal.

Unless it changed recently, Connecticut has a two tiered PWC requires slightly
more instruction and a few more test questions) Safe Boating Certificate, and
has reciprocity with some states (NY Mass, RI.) *If you are in CT waters for
more than 60 days during a calendar year, you have to have a CT safe boating
cert. Rental boats do not require you to have a Cert for rentals 2 weeks or
less. There are NO exceptions for PWC. PWC operation requires a cert no matter
where you are from or how long you are here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you trying to say you can rent a boat and drive it in CT for up to
two weeks if you don't have a cert. Cause if that is what you are
saying, I suggest you are way wrong. That is one of the reasons
Chimney Point rentals went out, cause everyone driving a boat here
needs a cert... Period..

Sec 15-140e-4 *Exemption for operators of rental vessels

http://www.ct.gov/dep/lib/dep/regulations/15/15-140e-4through15-140v-....

Period!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

well, the page won't load for some reason but I suppose it is what you
say. All I can say is WOW, I never knew that, was it in the origional
law or redone later??

The page is a .pdf file. You must not have the free adobe acrobat reader
installed on your computer. You might want to get the reader, as that is how all
the downloads for tax forms for state and federal are provided these days. If
you go to the "publications and forms" part of the IRS website there is a link
to download the free reader.

It was an addition to the law, dated 2004. I would have cut and pasted the text,
but that doesn't work with PDF files.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

PDF file? What's that? Adobe reader, what's that? Gimme a break.. You
must be a 'puter expert of something...

On Feb 18, 9:09*am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:49:14 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:23:43 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 18, 8:18 am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:05:57 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:21 am, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:51:41 -0800 (PST), "Eat Me, Trolls"
wrote:

I know a lot on this board are from the States.
My question is... In the States, those who operate boats and do
NOT yet have a Pleasure Craft License, when does the CG say you
have
until the "Grandfathered Clause" runs out?
Up here in Canada, Media is spewing the statement that you MUST
have a PC License THIS YEAR. The PC Manual thats being handed out
says
2009. Confusing, isnt it?
I guess I'll go by the book, but wondered what the USCG would say.

The CG only enforces when necessary and even then, it's only to
Federal law - local safety rules is up to what ever agency is
responsible for where you are. USCG only check for compliance with
safety rules that apply to their jurisdiction.

In CT, there is a requirement to have a Certificae of Operation
which
is required to operate a boat or PWC - anythinig with an engine or
electric motor. Local and state LEO are responsible for safety,
speed
and other violations within their jurisdiction. For instance, in
Stonington, CT (mystic/niantic/new london/pawcatuck), there is a
local
license for kids under 16 which is the state minimum.

Other states also require something similar, but not all by any
means.

I do know that in CT, if you are operating a boat under a foreign
license (like UK or EU), that is acceptable as long as it's current.