HK wrote:
wrote:


It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, most of those claims came from the Clinton camp.. get your facts
straight...

Forgot...you of course have NO evidence that ties the Clinton camp to
these false claims that Obama is a Muslim or a pan-African (whatever the
hell that is) or the other scurrilous claims the righties are making
about him. I believe it is correct his father was a Kenyan, but why
anyone should give a damn about that is beyond me.

On Feb 15, 11:53Â*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:33 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, most of those claims came from the Clinton camp.. get your facts
straight...

Uh, no...I am seeing them in the political sections of firearms boards,
with references to the usual right-wing screwball "news" sites. Sorry.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybey you are but no one else is, we are seeing it on main stream
media, from the mouth of Bill Clinton... But you just keep playing
with the gun nutsies...as if...

HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.



If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.

Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an African?

On Feb 15, 9:11Â*am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.

If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.

Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an African?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same logic.

If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.

I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.

It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.

Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.

wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:53 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:33 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Uh, most of those claims came from the Clinton camp.. get your facts
straight...
Uh, no...I am seeing them in the political sections of firearms boards,
with references to the usual right-wing screwball "news" sites. Sorry.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maybey you are but no one else is, we are seeing it on main stream
media, from the mouth of Bill Clinton... But you just keep playing
with the gun nutsies...as if...


No, you are not.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:


Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an African?


Hehehehe. Here we go.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11 am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27�am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40�am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. �I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.

It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an African?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all

Who said it was a militant school and why are you bringing militancy
into the discussion?

public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same logic.

It is called profiling. And, despite what idiots say it is used all of
the time all over the world to identify people. Have you ever applied
for a job?

If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.

Hate no, be weary of yes. Like communism Islam cannot reach its true
potential unless it controls the world. The workers, living under the
boot of communism, were told that they had to suffer for the good of all
and fight to take communism to every land on the planet before the true
benefits of communism can be reaped. Islam is much the same in that
Islam wants to convert all non-Muslims or put them to death. The mullahs
and imams have been telling their adherents this for over a thousand years.

While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.

We are electing the whole man and not just the secular part of the man
to be president. Therefore, his religion is open for discussions.

I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.

As opposed to the left constantly call President Bush an idiot, a
monkdy, and many other uncomplimentary things.

It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.

The are always ugly and they should be ugly. We are selecting our leader
for the next four years.

Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.

It has already happened. Weren't you around in Nov. of 2000?

On Feb 15, 10:25�am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11�am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here

wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. ?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.

Don't count her out so fast.

It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.

If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25�am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11�am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party. ?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty, dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same �logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to listen to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think your post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers' above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than you are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than you are.


Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's passions. Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:25?am, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:11?am, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:27?am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:40?am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
These are the Black Leaders in Congress and the Democratic Party.
?I am
surprised it took them that long to respond to the obvious race
baiting
of the Clintons'.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4295602&page=1
I am afraid that Bill's legacy will be having trashed his wifes
campaign. Amazing how one slip can change history. With Dean, it
was a
three second scream, with Billary, it was a three second sentence
about the SC primaries and Jessi Jackson.... who I predict will
soon
endorse Obama, then it is finished for Billary.
Don't count her out so fast.
It would be just like either one of the political parties to
circumvent the will of the people. The "good ol' boys" of the D
party,
the super-delegates, are very likely to fall into line and let the
party elite, vs. the majority of the general membership, have the
final word on the identity of the nominee.
If Hillary wins the Texas and Ohio primaries, and then the
Pennsylvania
primary, the delegate count will be just about even, and at that
point I
would think a nominee selected at the convention would be the best
bet.
If, she whens Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania it will be a miracle. She
will win none of those states.
It doesn't matter to me whether the nominee is Hillary or Barack. I
do
wonder sometimes if Barack is tough enough to face down the nasty,
dirty
type of counter campaigning the Republicans surely will throw at him.
The extreme righties are already out there against him, with the
typical
idiotic right-wing claims (he's a muslim! he's a pan-African! his
father
was a Kenyan!) that seem to work so well on low IQ voters.
Did Barak Obama ever attend a Muslim school? Has he ever expressed
views
in favor of pan-Africanism? Isn't it true that his father is an
African?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes to all of the above. Although the Muslim school was not a militant
school and in the particular country where he lived at the time all
public education was underwritten my the Islamic government. I guess
that since some of the IRA bombers went to Catholic schools in Ireland
we should suspect anybody who ever attended a Catholic school (or had
an Irish name like McVeigh) of being a bomb thrower. Same ?logic.
If there is anybody some members of the right wing are more
predisposed to hate than a person of color it would have to be a
Muslim.
While Obama attends a Christian church, he is the son of a Muslim and
that will certainly be close enough for jazz when the negative
campaigning begins in earnest.
I've heard more than one right wing radio host make a big deal about
Obama's middle name, "Hussein." One day, I heard Rush simply referring
to him as "Hussein Obama." I'm sure that's a very mild preview of what
the right wing has in store for Obama should he be the final nominee.
I'm old enough, as are many of us, to clearly remember all the folks
who trashed John Kennedy for being Catholic. Not that Obama is a
Kennedy in any sense; except that JFK could be an inspiring orator as
can Obama.
It's going to be a very UGLY campaign.
Here's hoping the good folks on rec.boats don't get too heavily
invested in the rhetoric and propaganda.
I've not heard Russ use that name for Obama. But I don't get to listen
to
him as much as, apparently, you do.

Yes, it may get ugly, and it may get ugly here. You don't think your
post,
above, would be contributing to the ugliness, do you?

You seem to say some pretty negative things about 'right wingers' above,
Chuck. I doubt if I'm any more 'predisposed' to hate blacks than you
are. I
also doubt that I'm even more 'predisposed' to hate Muslims than you
are.


Which is why I directed my comment toward "some" right wingers.
As it would be the right wing, not the left wing, that opposes Obama
should he be nominated, the attitudes of that some portion of the
right wing will be an issue.

Some portion of the left wing is probably also prejudiced against a
vairety of races and or religions. However, the left wing won't be
campaigning against Obama - the right wing will. That makes the
attitude of some right wingers pertinent to a discussion of the
challenges Obama would face in the final stretch.


But, I'm sure your post wasn't designed to inflame anyone's passions.
Just
a little innocent discussion, right?

--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



How's the salt water fishing this time of year in your part of the
country, Chuck?

Trying the hypocrisy angle for a while?