Tim wrote:
On Feb 10, 4:08 pm, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0500, HK wrote:
Yeah, well, I'd prefer to die after a weekend in the sack with Salma
Hayek, Penelope Cruz and Marion Cotillard than squished by a runaway
boat trailer.
Perhaps, but your chances are better with a boat trailer.
Mike Huckabee said if I prayed a lot, it would happen.

Did he really, Harry?


Yes, Tim, he did.

On Feb 10, 12:06�pm, John H.

The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.

Which, by the way, was a valid claim.
--

Then according to your theory, the states with the greatest numbers of
Republicans will be those states with the most successful and
comprehensive educational systems. By the same token, the states with
the smallest number of Republicans will be those states where the
Democrats have succeeded on destroying the education system and
thereby protecting their base.

Care to offer some examples? Half a dozen or so of each would be
sufficient to establish a trend, rather than an exception.

On Feb 10, 12:25�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing

Talk to middle and high school teachers about NCLB and see what they
say about the system.

It's a total disaster. �And in states that require mainstreaming of
those children who are developmentally, physically, mentally or
emotionally "challenged", it's almost impossible to achieve the
standards required by NCLB.


Both of my kids are teaching in the classroom. My son (HS Social
Studies) as a career and my daughter (MS Science) as a step toward
eventually becoming a school administrator.

The have been some positive aspects of the NCLB. For instance,
teachers must demonstrate a level of expertise in the subjec they
teach. The schools can't simply hire a guy because he's a great
football coach and then say, "Oh, yeah...and you'll be teaching two
periods of astronomy every morning so better read a chapter or two
ahead of the students in the text book. Oh, and next semester you'll
be teaching advanced trig, but don't worry about that- nobody will
understand the subject well enought to realize you have no facility
what-so-ever for math."

But in general, the system is not so good. Far too many districts are
strictly "teaching to the test". My son has several classes of HS
freshmen who are spending the entire 9th grade simply studying to pas
the 10th grade NCLB test- it's that critical to the district that
nearly all the 10th graders pass so that the district will continue to
get federal school dollars.

"HK" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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The one thing I really don't like about hauling big boats is looking
out the rear view mirror and seeing the "Battleship Missouri" two feet
behind me. Always gives me the willies.
pansy

Eisboch
Yeah, well, I'd prefer to die after a weekend in the sack with Salma
Hayek, Penelope Cruz and Marion Cotillard than squished by a runaway
boat trailer.

Chance of either is infinitely small. Unless Scott is towing his trailer
near you.

My wife sez if I can arrange a weekend at the NoTell Motel with Salma,
Penelope and Marion, it's ok with her. But I can't get any of them to
return my phone calls. Not even the motel! :-
Your reputation precedes you. ;-

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:39:29 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

wrote:
Your guy with the 33 footer likely would exceed the 60' overall
length.

I see boats over 40 ft being towed all the time.

By boats over 60 feet??

Typically by HD pickups if they are speedboats, tractor trailer for
sailboats.

On Feb 10, 5:13*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 10, 4:08 pm, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0500, HK wrote:
Yeah, well, I'd prefer to die after a weekend in the sack with Salma
Hayek, Penelope Cruz and Marion Cotillard than squished by a runaway
boat trailer.
Perhaps, but your chances are better with a boat trailer.
Mike Huckabee said if I prayed a lot, it would happen.

Did he really, Harry?

Yes, Tim, he did.

Harry, I think you're hearing imaginary voices floating around inside
your head.

Tim wrote:
On Feb 10, 5:13 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 10, 4:08 pm, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0500, HK wrote:
Yeah, well, I'd prefer to die after a weekend in the sack with Salma
Hayek, Penelope Cruz and Marion Cotillard than squished by a runaway
boat trailer.
Perhaps, but your chances are better with a boat trailer.
Mike Huckabee said if I prayed a lot, it would happen.
Did he really, Harry?
Yes, Tim, he did.

Harry, I think you're hearing imaginary voices floating around inside
your head.


No more than Mike Huckabee.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:23:55 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 10, 12:06?pm, John H.

The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.

Which, by the way, was a valid claim.
--

Then according to your theory, the states with the greatest numbers of
Republicans will be those states with the most successful and
comprehensive educational systems. By the same token, the states with
the smallest number of Republicans will be those states where the
Democrats have succeeded on destroying the education system and
thereby protecting their base.

Care to offer some examples? Half a dozen or so of each would be
sufficient to establish a trend, rather than an exception.



Education isn't a statewide function anywhere that I know of. It's a county
or city function normally.

How do Los Angeles, New York City, and Washington DC do for areas where the
base is protected?
--
John H

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:13:18 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Feb 10, 4:08 pm, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0500, HK wrote:
Yeah, well, I'd prefer to die after a weekend in the sack with Salma
Hayek, Penelope Cruz and Marion Cotillard than squished by a runaway
boat trailer.
Perhaps, but your chances are better with a boat trailer.
Mike Huckabee said if I prayed a lot, it would happen.

Did he really, Harry?


Yes, Tim, he did.

Truth doesn't mean much to you, does it?
--
John H

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:25:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:07:15 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Feb 10, 9:15?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:06:06 -0800, Chuck Gould wrote:

Compare the average level of educational achievement on, say, the left
coast with the average education in customarily red states like
Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri. Then reevaluate. Thanks.

It's worse than that:

http://www.thebluestate.com/2005/10/...06_smarte.html

Note, the 21 states that spend the least on education, are all red.

I always get a kick out of the rationalization that education (or money
spent on it) ?automatically implies"smartness" in people.
There's a lot of stupid people with years of advanced degrees, just as there
are many "smart" people with limited education.

Eisboch

I agree with you entirely.

The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.

Talk to middle and high school teachers about NCLB and see what they
say about the system.

It's a total disaster. And in states that require mainstreaming of
those children who are developmentally, physically, mentally or
emotionally "challenged", it's almost impossible to achieve the
standards required by NCLB.


How one thinks education is a state function is beyond me, other than for
the establishment of overall standards.

Using the challenged as an example of why NCLB doesn't work makes very
little sense. In states with a very strong teachers' union, NCLB doesn't
work. Why? Because the unions don't like their teachers having to meet
standards.

To say that standards shouldn't be used to judge the educational process
makes absolutely no sense. To say that children shouldn't be taught a
curriculum which enables them to meet the standards makes even less sense.
To say that children shouldn't be tested to ensure they meet the standards
makes the least sense of all.
--
John H