"HK" wrote in message
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Or are you saying that because al Qaeda tortures, it is ok for us to do
so,too?

It's hard for me to equate 20-30 seconds of a drowning-like experience that
you walk away from as "torture" compared to having your throat slit and head
lopped off in front of a camera while pleading for your life.

There have been many, many more civilians and solders beheaded by al Qaeda
than al Qaeda terrorists waterboarded by us, if the CIA report is accurate.

Yes, if waterboarding gains information that helps prevent more beheadings
or torture killings by al Qaeda, I think it's not only ok, it's necessary.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Or are you saying that because al Qaeda tortures, it is ok for us to do
so,too?

It's hard for me to equate 20-30 seconds of a drowning-like experience that
you walk away from as "torture" compared to having your throat slit and head
lopped off in front of a camera while pleading for your life.

There have been many, many more civilians and solders beheaded by al Qaeda
than al Qaeda terrorists waterboarded by us, if the CIA report is accurate.

Yes, if waterboarding gains information that helps prevent more beheadings
or torture killings by al Qaeda, I think it's not only ok, it's necessary.

Eisboch




I certainly can accept that we have different opinions on this, and that
neither of us is going to convince the other to change his mind.

On a lighter note, I passed my cardiovascular exam today. Pressure cuffs
on both arms and legs, hooked up to a very expensive looking computer
device, plus ultrasound through my midsection and up through my neck.
Very strange to see the inside of ones "stuff." Three very attractive
young women were doing the testing (one was a trainee), which made the
experience even easier.

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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On a lighter note, I passed my cardiovascular exam today. Pressure cuffs
on both arms and legs, hooked up to a very expensive looking computer
device, plus ultrasound through my midsection and up through my neck. Very
strange to see the inside of ones "stuff." Three very attractive young
women were doing the testing (one was a trainee), which made the
experience even easier.


So, not exactly a "waterboarding" experience after all, huh? :-)

Good to hear that you'll be around to aggravate us "righties" a little
longer.

Eisboch




There are righties and there are righties. I have no problems whatsoever
with responsible righties. You and a few others here are in that group.

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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On a lighter note, I passed my cardiovascular exam today. Pressure
cuffs on both arms and legs, hooked up to a very expensive looking
computer device, plus ultrasound through my midsection and up through
my neck. Very strange to see the inside of ones "stuff." Three very
attractive young women were doing the testing (one was a trainee),
which made the experience even easier.


So, not exactly a "waterboarding" experience after all, huh? :-)

Good to hear that you'll be around to aggravate us "righties" a little
longer.

Eisboch



There are righties and there are righties. I have no problems whatsoever
with responsible righties. You and a few others here are in that group.

Eisboch,
I want to join that elite club of responsible righties, what do I need
to do? Is there a pledge or a list of requirements?

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

On a lighter note, I passed my cardiovascular exam today. Pressure
cuffs on both arms and legs, hooked up to a very expensive looking
computer device, plus ultrasound through my midsection and up through
my neck. Very strange to see the inside of ones "stuff." Three very
attractive young women were doing the testing (one was a trainee),
which made the experience even easier.


So, not exactly a "waterboarding" experience after all, huh? :-)

Good to hear that you'll be around to aggravate us "righties" a little
longer.

Eisboch



There are righties and there are righties. I have no problems whatsoever
with responsible righties. You and a few others here are in that group.

Eisboch,
I want to join that elite club of responsible righties, what do I need to
do? Is there a pledge or a list of requirements?


Beats me.

Eisboch

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:53:40 -0500, HK wrote:

D.Duck wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.
I also have a lot of respect for McCain. His only drawback is 25
years in the Senate.

Eisboch

Not me. He has a short fuse and he carries many liberal views,
including wanting to do away with waterboarding the captured
terrorists, even though even 30 seconds of doing so to high profile
terrorists resulted in tremendous information.

As you said, he is also long in the tooth and represents the same old
same old.

The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.

Being in favor of torture is a conservative view?

No wonder I don't like conservatives.
Serious question. I don't know much about waterboarding. Does it leave
any lasting physical or physiological effects?

Nope. It has proven to be effective within 30 seconds and has resulted in
solid information that resulted in stopping future terrorist attacks.

Torture? Nope.........but very effective according to reports on the use
of this technique on captured terrorists.


I've done some quick reading via Google and so far all I've found is
opinions that there can be lasting effects.




The conservatives who support waterboard don't give a damn about that,
and, of course, they are in denial about its impact, too.

I'd be happy to see waterboarding approved right after the entire Bush
and Cheney families subject themselves to it and tell us it is no biggie.

Various reporters have undergone waterboarding and don't seem to be any the
worse for it.
--
John H

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:16:09 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:48:05 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.
I also have a lot of respect for McCain. His only drawback is 25
years in the Senate.

Not me. He has a short fuse and he carries many liberal views,
including wanting to do away with waterboarding the captured
terrorists, even though even 30 seconds of doing so to high profile
terrorists resulted in tremendous information.

As you said, he is also long in the tooth and represents the same old
same old.

The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.

Being in favor of torture is a conservative view?

No wonder I don't like conservatives.

Serious question. I don't know much about waterboarding. Does it leave
any lasting physical or physiological effects?

Nope. It has proven to be effective within 30 seconds and has resulted in
solid information that resulted in stopping future terrorist attacks.

Torture? Nope.........but very effective according to reports on the use
of this technique on captured terrorists.

I've done some quick reading via Google and so far all I've found is
opinions that there can be lasting effects.

No offense guys, but...well, no other way to put it, it's been part of
military escape and evasion courses since the '70s.

As to "lasting effects" - eh - minor at best.

We had a big metal box with snakes in it. Probably garter snakes, but scary
as hell nevertheless.

I was lucky. I didn't get caught.
--
John H

"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:53:40 -0500, HK wrote:

D.Duck wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.
I also have a lot of respect for McCain. His only drawback is 25
years in the Senate.

Eisboch

Not me. He has a short fuse and he carries many liberal views,
including wanting to do away with waterboarding the captured
terrorists, even though even 30 seconds of doing so to high profile
terrorists resulted in tremendous information.

As you said, he is also long in the tooth and represents the same
old
same old.

The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.

Being in favor of torture is a conservative view?

No wonder I don't like conservatives.
Serious question. I don't know much about waterboarding. Does it
leave
any lasting physical or physiological effects?

Nope. It has proven to be effective within 30 seconds and has resulted
in
solid information that resulted in stopping future terrorist attacks.

Torture? Nope.........but very effective according to reports on the
use
of this technique on captured terrorists.


I've done some quick reading via Google and so far all I've found is
opinions that there can be lasting effects.




The conservatives who support waterboard don't give a damn about that,
and, of course, they are in denial about its impact, too.

I'd be happy to see waterboarding approved right after the entire Bush
and Cheney families subject themselves to it and tell us it is no biggie.

Various reporters have undergone waterboarding and don't seem to be any
the
worse for it.
--
John H

Krause seems to think torture is sinful except when applied to Republicans.
Go figure. He's a piece of work.

Concerning Obama being a "Credit to his race" , I'm kind of wondering
what "credit" to which "race" Harry was talking about.

The man's mom is caucasian, and his dad in negroid.

PLUS, many talking heads were wondering if Obama was "black"
enough....


hmmmmm.

What a load.



Lu Powell wrote:

Did you read Harry's comment about Obama being a credit to his race?


"A credit to his race"...is a racist statement. Next thing, Harry will
declare some of his best friends are Black. The Clintons want to credit
Obama's wins to the Black vote. Yeah, there's a slew of Black voters in
Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, etc.

Tim wrote:
Concerning Obama being a "Credit to his race" , I'm kind of wondering
what "credit" to which "race" Harry was talking about.

The man's mom is caucasian, and his dad in negroid.

PLUS, many talking heads were wondering if Obama was "black"
enough....


hmmmmm.

What a load.



Lu Powell wrote:

Did you read Harry's comment about Obama being a credit to his race?

"A credit to his race"...is a racist statement. Next thing, Harry will
declare some of his best friends are Black. The Clintons want to credit
Obama's wins to the Black vote. Yeah, there's a slew of Black voters in
Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, etc.


I never said Obama was a "credit to his race."

Nice try, though, a**holes.