Eisboch wrote:
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I'd be happy to see waterboarding approved right after the entire Bush
and Cheney families subject themselves to it and tell us it is no
biggie.

Ah! Now the Bush administration "invented" waterboarding.

Eisboch
What? Who said that, aside from you?


My "spin" of your comment. You know what I meant.

Eisboch





No, I don't. My statement stands: when the Bush/Cheney families undergo
waterboarding and report that it was no biggie, I'll not think it is
torture.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:48:05 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

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I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.
I also have a lot of respect for McCain. His only drawback is 25
years in the Senate.
Not me. He has a short fuse and he carries many liberal views,
including wanting to do away with waterboarding the captured
terrorists, even though even 30 seconds of doing so to high profile
terrorists resulted in tremendous information.

As you said, he is also long in the tooth and represents the same old
same old.

The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.
Being in favor of torture is a conservative view?

No wonder I don't like conservatives.
Serious question. I don't know much about waterboarding. Does it leave
any lasting physical or physiological effects?
Nope. It has proven to be effective within 30 seconds and has resulted in
solid information that resulted in stopping future terrorist attacks.

Torture? Nope.........but very effective according to reports on the use
of this technique on captured terrorists.
I've done some quick reading via Google and so far all I've found is
opinions that there can be lasting effects.

No offense guys, but...well, no other way to put it, it's been part of
military escape and evasion courses since the '70s.

As to "lasting effects" - eh - minor at best.


You've been waterboarded, or participated in medical research to
determine that? Or are you just pushing the party line?

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I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.
I also have a lot of respect for McCain. *His only drawback is 25
years in the Senate.

Eisboch

Not me. *He has a short fuse and he carries many liberal views,
including wanting to do away with waterboarding the captured
terrorists, even though even 30 seconds of doing so to high profile
terrorists resulted in tremendous information.

As you said, he is also long in the tooth and represents the same old
same old.

The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.

Being in favor of torture is a conservative view?

No wonder I don't like conservatives.

Serious question. I don't know much about waterboarding. *Does it leave
any lasting physical or physiological effects?

Nope. *It has proven to be effective within 30 seconds and has resulted in
solid information that resulted in stopping future terrorist attacks.

Torture? *Nope.........but very effective according to reports on the use
of this technique on captured terrorists.

I've done some quick reading via Google and so far all I've found is
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There can be lasting effects hanging around rec.boats, too!

That is if you take comments seriously.

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Yeah, I saw that claim. It's no more credible than any of the other lies
the current administration and its civilian and military supporters have
thrown out for us.

The problem with this kind of statement is that you can't prove them false
anymore than I or others can prove them true. Or visa-versa. Trying to
establish an opinion as fact just isn't an honest statement. It's spin.

Eisboch

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You've been waterboarded, or participated in medical research to determine
that? Or are you just pushing the party line?


Have you?

Eisboch

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Yeah, I saw that claim. It's no more credible than any of the other lies
the current administration and its civilian and military supporters have
thrown out for us.

The problem with this kind of statement is that you can't prove them false
anymore than I or others can prove them true. Or visa-versa. Trying to
establish an opinion as fact just isn't an honest statement. It's spin.

Eisboch




President Clinton or Obama will outlaw waterboarding entirely.

Eisboch wrote:
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You've been waterboarded, or participated in medical research to determine
that? Or are you just pushing the party line?


Have you?

Eisboch




Nope, but I'm bright enough to realize that when someone feels as if
they are being drowned deliberately by someone else, it is torture.

Torture, according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, is
"any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental,
is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining
from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him
for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having
committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any
reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering
is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or
acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official
capacity."

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Yeah, I saw that claim. It's no more credible than any of the other lies
the current administration and its civilian and military supporters have
thrown out for us.

The problem with this kind of statement is that you can't prove them
false anymore than I or others can prove them true. Or visa-versa.
Trying to establish an opinion as fact just isn't an honest statement.
It's spin.

Eisboch


President Clinton or Obama will outlaw waterboarding entirely.

And probably further handicap our intelligence gathering capabilities. (an
opinion).
If you believe the recent CIA report (which I am sure you don't)
waterboarding has not been used in five years.
According to the report, it was used on three terrorists to gain
intelligence data after 9/11.

Three terrorists. Compared to how many beheaded American civilians and
soldiers? Not to forget the approx 3000 people killed on 9/11. How soon
we forget those gut-retching images of people kneeling in front of their
terrorist captures, begging for life, just before getting their throat slit
and head lopped off.

Three terrorists waterboarded in order to expose more? No, I don't think
it's a big deal. They lived.


Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Yeah, I saw that claim. It's no more credible than any of the other lies
the current administration and its civilian and military supporters have
thrown out for us.
The problem with this kind of statement is that you can't prove them
false anymore than I or others can prove them true. Or visa-versa.
Trying to establish an opinion as fact just isn't an honest statement.
It's spin.

Eisboch

President Clinton or Obama will outlaw waterboarding entirely.

And probably further handicap our intelligence gathering capabilities. (an
opinion).
If you believe the recent CIA report (which I am sure you don't)
waterboarding has not been used in five years.
According to the report, it was used on three terrorists to gain
intelligence data after 9/11.

Three terrorists. Compared to how many beheaded American civilians and
soldiers? Not to forget the approx 3000 people killed on 9/11. How soon
we forget those gut-retching images of people kneeling in front of their
terrorist captures, begging for life, just before getting their throat slit
and head lopped off.

Three terrorists waterboarded in order to expose more? No, I don't think
it's a big deal. They lived.


Eisboch




If you are counting deaths, we have paid back the Muslim world at least
10 fold for 9-11. OF course, we have mostly killed the wrong Muslims, eh?

Or are you saying that because al Qaeda tortures, it is ok for us to do
so,too?

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I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.
I also have a lot of respect for McCain. *His only drawback is 25
years in the Senate.

Eisboch

Not me. *He has a short fuse and he carries many liberal views,
including wanting to do away with waterboarding the captured
terrorists, even though even 30 seconds of doing so to high profile
terrorists resulted in tremendous information.

As you said, he is also long in the tooth and represents the same old
same old.

The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.

Being in favor of torture is a conservative view?

No wonder I don't like conservatives.

Serious question. I don't know much about waterboarding. *Does it leave
any lasting physical or physiological effects?

Nope. *It has proven to be effective within 30 seconds and has resulted
in solid information that resulted in stopping future terrorist attacks..

Torture? *Nope.........but very effective according to reports on the use
of this technique on captured terrorists.

I've done some quick reading via Google and so far all I've found is
opinions that there can be lasting effects.

Were you ever dunked as a kid? *If so, how did you ever survive mentally?- Hide quoted text -

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Really, I remember Terry Glidden dunking me over and over about a
dozen times, thought I was going to die.. Lived,, forgot about it till
now...