"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.

I also have a lot of respect for McCain. His only drawback is 25 years in
the Senate.

Eisboch

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:32:45 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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Everybody is a racist to some degree. Obama probably less than most,
given his mixed heritage.
I saw this writer on C-Span this morning, and he had some interesting
insights - based on actual reporting - about the differences between
Hillary and Obama. Here's the article he mentioned.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...or_v isionary

Make of it what you will.

--Vic


Interesting and almost believable article until I got to the paragraph
outlining Bill Clinton's successes as president.
It offers "welfare reform" as one of two "success" examples, but neglects to
point out that the same Welfare Reform Act was submitted to him for
signature by a Republican congress *three* times. Clinton rejected it
twice, but the Republicans forced the issue by sending it back to him. The
third time worked when Clinton, at the advise of his senior advisors,
suggested he should accept it or risk serious public negative reaction.

But, now he takes credit for it.

Politicians always do that. Nature of the beast.
What I found most interesting is the contention that the Clinton
administration was essentially a continuation of Reagan policies,
which Obama was at least hinting at when he said Bill Clinton was not
a "transformative" character.

--Vic

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:29:48 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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The Democrats!

Entire article can read at
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...111230087/1002


Democrats like to define themselves as the party of poor and
middle-income Americans, but a new study says they now represent the
majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional districts.

In a state-by-state, district-by-district comparison of wealth
concentrations based on Internal Revenue Service income data, Michael
Franc, vice president of government relations at the Heritage
Foundation, found that the majority of the nation's wealthiest
congressional jurisdictions were represented by Democrats.

He also found that more than half of the wealthiest households were
concentrated in the 18 states where Democrats hold both Senate seats.

"If you take the wealthiest one-third of the 435 congressional
districts, we found that the Democrats represent about 58 percent of
those jurisdictions," Mr. Franc said.

A key measure of each district's wealth was the number of
single-filer taxpayers earning more than $100,000 a year and married
couples filing jointly who earn more than $200,000 annually, he said.


It is also the party of bigots/racists and the intolerant. If one
looks at Super Tuesday D voting results many are in the NE area of the
country and not in the southern States as usually stereotyped.

Did you read Harry's comment about Obama being a credit to his race?

and someone that young blacks can use for a role model?

While Obama got a lot of black votes, he also got more votes from white
males than Hillary, and more votes from females under the age of 65 than
Hillary.

And next Tuesday, he's going to get two from retired, whites over the age
of 55.

Wise move.

JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.
I also have a lot of respect for McCain. His only drawback is 25 years in
the Senate.

Eisboch


Not me. He has a short fuse and he carries many liberal views, including
wanting to do away with waterboarding the captured terrorists, even though
even 30 seconds of doing so to high profile terrorists resulted in
tremendous information.

As you said, he is also long in the tooth and represents the same old same
old.

The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.




Being in favor of torture is a conservative view?

No wonder I don't like conservatives.

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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Politicians always do that. Nature of the beast.
What I found most interesting is the contention that the Clinton
administration was essentially a continuation of Reagan policies,
which Obama was at least hinting at when he said Bill Clinton was not
a "transformative" character.

--Vic


I can understand that.

There was somebody discussing H. Clinton and B. Obama differences today on
one of the endless TV political coverage interviews. I don't remember who
it was, but he made some good points, including (paraphrasing):

The "wellness" factor of the USA (economic and otherwise) is a function of
the spirit and moral of her population. This characteristic is almost unique
compared to the more traditional acceptance of conditions in other
countries.
We tend to be more forward thinking, ready to embrace new ideas, new
technology and new outlooks. And we like to be liked.

Ronald Reagan understood and tapped into that spirit. He really didn't
change things much. He simply provided inspiration and confidence at a time
that the nation needed a spiritual vitamin. Barack Obama is doing the same
thing. I think he also understands the enormous potential of this country
to heal itself, given the inspiration, and that is what he was alluding to
in his recent comments about Reagan that raised so many eyebrows. I think
it's also why Obama is less specific about the details, whereas H. Clinton
is going to micromanage and dictate a "recovery". I think Obama has the
right attitude.

Eisboch

"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.
I also have a lot of respect for McCain. His only drawback is 25 years
in the Senate.

Eisboch


Not me. He has a short fuse and he carries many liberal views, including
wanting to do away with waterboarding the captured terrorists, even
though even 30 seconds of doing so to high profile terrorists resulted in
tremendous information.

As you said, he is also long in the tooth and represents the same old
same old.

The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.


Being in favor of torture is a conservative view?

No wonder I don't like conservatives.

Serious question. I don't know much about waterboarding. Does it leave any
lasting physical or physiological effects?

JimH wrote:


The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.

wow, if you don't think Huckabee and Mitt are conservative enough for
you I hate to think who you think would be "conservative" enough.

I am glad to see some moderates trying to clean up the mess the far
right and far left.

D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.
I also have a lot of respect for McCain. His only drawback is 25 years
in the Senate.

Eisboch

Not me. He has a short fuse and he carries many liberal views, including
wanting to do away with waterboarding the captured terrorists, even
though even 30 seconds of doing so to high profile terrorists resulted in
tremendous information.

As you said, he is also long in the tooth and represents the same old
same old.

The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.

Being in favor of torture is a conservative view?

No wonder I don't like conservatives.

Serious question. I don't know much about waterboarding. Does it leave any
lasting physical or physiological effects?



A. Drowning is a possibility. That's a lasting physical effect.

B. Dunno, but it sure can create lasting psychological effects.

Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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Politicians always do that. Nature of the beast.
What I found most interesting is the contention that the Clinton
administration was essentially a continuation of Reagan policies,
which Obama was at least hinting at when he said Bill Clinton was not
a "transformative" character.

--Vic


I can understand that.

There was somebody discussing H. Clinton and B. Obama differences today on
one of the endless TV political coverage interviews. I don't remember who
it was, but he made some good points, including (paraphrasing):

The "wellness" factor of the USA (economic and otherwise) is a function of
the spirit and moral of her population. This characteristic is almost unique
compared to the more traditional acceptance of conditions in other
countries.
We tend to be more forward thinking, ready to embrace new ideas, new
technology and new outlooks. And we like to be liked.

Ronald Reagan understood and tapped into that spirit. He really didn't
change things much. He simply provided inspiration and confidence at a time
that the nation needed a spiritual vitamin. Barack Obama is doing the same
thing. I think he also understands the enormous potential of this country
to heal itself, given the inspiration, and that is what he was alluding to
in his recent comments about Reagan that raised so many eyebrows. I think
it's also why Obama is less specific about the details, whereas H. Clinton
is going to micromanage and dictate a "recovery". I think Obama has the
right attitude.

Eisboch



AMEN

JimH wrote:
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"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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I've always been a McCain fan and if he can keep it together, he's
pretty viable as an alternative.
I also have a lot of respect for McCain. His only drawback is 25 years
in the Senate.

Eisboch

Not me. He has a short fuse and he carries many liberal views,
including wanting to do away with waterboarding the captured terrorists,
even though even 30 seconds of doing so to high profile terrorists
resulted in tremendous information.

As you said, he is also long in the tooth and represents the same old
same old.

The Republicans did not offer any true conservative candidates this
election.

Being in favor of torture is a conservative view?

No wonder I don't like conservatives.
Serious question. I don't know much about waterboarding. Does it leave
any lasting physical or physiological effects?


Nope. It has proven to be effective within 30 seconds and has resulted in
solid information that resulted in stopping future terrorist attacks.

Torture? Nope.........but very effective according to reports on the use of
this technique on captured terrorists.



I have seen kids at the lake waterboarding, and they seemed to like it.
I have seen kids doing flips on the waterboards.