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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
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On Feb 1, 6:43�am, John H. wrote:
Scary ****.

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

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Almost begins to rival this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...lth-care_N.htm


Chuck,
We need to find a way that everyone has access to healthcare insurance,
but Canada is not a system we want to emulate.


People need to figure out how they are going to pay for their own health
care. I have to pay for mine. In fact I usually end up spending more
that $12,000 per year out of pocket for mine and my family's health care.

Socialized or single payer systems are just a fast track to rationing of
health care.

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On Feb 1, 6:43�am, John H. wrote:
Scary ****.

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

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John H

Almost begins to rival this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...lth-care_N.htm

Be worried Chuck. The no pays are slowly shutting down our
healthcare system. They get priority service while you wait for
your insurance and financial history gets scrutinized before you
get to be seen. Usually there is a co-pay involved too. But that's
OK. It's our duty to stand aside while the wetbacks and our own
entitled folks go to the head of the line for free.


The "wetbacks?"

Jesus, you really are a creep.
What would you call them?



"Them"?


Get a dictionary research boy. When is your next book coming out?



You use pejoratives in referring to blacks, Jews, and Asians, too?

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People need to figure out how they are going to pay for their own health
care. I have to pay for mine. In fact I usually end up spending more that
$12,000 per year out of pocket for mine and my family's health care.

Socialized or single payer systems are just a fast track to rationing of
health care.


$12k a year?? You must be one sickly SOB!


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On Feb 1, 6:43�am, John H. wrote:
Scary ****.

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

--
John H

Almost begins to rival this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...lth-care_N.htm

Be worried Chuck. The no pays are slowly shutting down our healthcare
system. They get priority service while you wait for your insurance
and financial history gets scrutinized before you get to be seen.
Usually there is a co-pay involved too. But that's OK. It's our duty
to stand aside while the wetbacks and our own entitled folks go to
the head of the line for free.



The "wetbacks?"

Jesus, you really are a creep.

What would you call them?



This song's for you, Jim:


DEPORTEES
(Plane Wreck at Los Gatos)
words by Woody Guthrie, music by Martin Hoffman

The crops are all in and the peaches are rotting
The oranges are packed in the creosote dumps
They're flying you back to the Mexico border
To pay all your money to wade back again

Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita
Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria
You won't have a name when you ride the big airplane
All they will call you will be deportees

My father's own father, he waded that river
They took all the money he made in his life
My brothers and sisters come working the fruit trees
They rode the big trucks till they lay down and die

Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita
Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria
You won't have a name when you ride the big airplane
All they will call you will be deportees

The skyplane caught fire over Los Gatos Canyon
A fireball of lightning, and it shook all the hills
Who are these comrades that died like the dry leaves
The radio tells me they're just deportees

Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita
Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria
You won't have a name when you ride the big airplane
All they will call you will be deportees

We died in your hills and we died in your deserts
We died in your valleys we died on your plains
We died 'neath your trees and we died in your bushes
Both sides of the river we died just the same

Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita
Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria
You won't have a name when you ride the big airplane
All they will call you will be deportees

Some of us are illegal, and others not wanted
Our work contract's out and we have to move on
But it's six hundred miles to that Mexican border
They chase us like outlaws, like rustlers, like thieves.

Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita
Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria
You won't have a name when you ride the big airplane
All they will call you will be deportees

Is this the best way we can grow our big orchards
Is this the best way we can grow our good fruit
To fall like dry leaves and rot on the top soil
and be called by no name except "deportee"

Goodbye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita
Adios mis amigos, Jesus y Maria
You won't have a name when you ride the big airplane
All they will call you will be deportees


--
George W. Bush - Worst President Ever, to the very last minute of the
very last day of his term.
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People need to figure out how they are going to pay for their own health
care. I have to pay for mine. In fact I usually end up spending more that
$12,000 per year out of pocket for mine and my family's health care.

Socialized or single payer systems are just a fast track to rationing of
health care.


$12k a year?? You must be one sickly SOB!




That's about the price of decent but not terrific individually purchased
health insurance for a fairly healthy couple with one or two kids.


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"HK" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

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Jim wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Feb 1, 6:43�am, John H. wrote:
Scary ****.

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

--
John H

Almost begins to rival this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...lth-care_N.htm

Be worried Chuck. The no pays are slowly shutting down our healthcare
system. They get priority service while you wait for your insurance
and financial history gets scrutinized before you get to be seen.
Usually there is a co-pay involved too. But that's OK. It's our duty
to stand aside while the wetbacks and our own entitled folks go to
the head of the line for free.


The "wetbacks?"

Jesus, you really are a creep.
What would you call them?


"Them"?


Get a dictionary research boy. When is your next book coming out?



You use pejoratives in referring to blacks, Jews, and Asians, too?


Well research boy, "Them" wasn't referring to color, race, national origin,
or religion. And you can shove your pejoratives up Uranus. If you'll excuse
me, my Video Essentials DVD just came in and I'm going to play with that for
a while.

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"HK" wrote in message
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Feb 1, 6:43�am, John H. wrote:
Scary ****.

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

--
John H

Almost begins to rival this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...lth-care_N.htm

Be worried Chuck. The no pays are slowly shutting down our healthcare
system. They get priority service while you wait for your insurance and
financial history gets scrutinized before you get to be seen. Usually
there is a co-pay involved too. But that's OK. It's our duty to stand
aside while the wetbacks and our own entitled folks go to the head of
the line for free.


The "wetbacks?"

Jesus, you really are a creep.

What would you call them?


(Touching non answer from Harry deleted.)


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On Feb 1, 9:24Â*am, BAR wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:





Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 1, 6:43�am, John H. wrote:
Scary ****.


http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php


--
John H


Almost begins to rival this:


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...lth-care_N.htm


Chuck,
We need to find a way that everyone has access to healthcare insurance,
but Canada is not a system we want to emulate.


People need to figure out how they are going to pay for their own health
care. I have to pay for mine. In fact I usually end up spending more
that $12,000 per year out of pocket for mine and my family's health care.

Socialized or single payer systems are just a fast track to rationing of
health care.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Rationing?

The current US system is also highly rationed. The rich have access to
the best available care. The poor have no to very-limited access.

I actually have a plan. We stop trying to deliver public health care
through private practice. We would set up a "pretty good" system of
public health clinics and hospitals across the country. No, there
wouldn't be private rooms, and nobody would take up a bed for
cosmetic plastic surgery or vacuuming away body fat. Some of the most
advanced heart transplant or other surgeries might not be available. A
few people might die for lack of the most exotic or heroic treatments,
but we would provide a basic level of care and repair to all comers.
Think of it as a public school, not actually intended to be the very
finest education available to anybody anywhere with any amount of
money to spend, but better than adequate for most and much better than
nothing for all.

If restricting access to the most ridiculously expensive medical
procedures sounds heartless, it might be. But at what point do we draw
the line? Let's assume that somebody develops a bang-on, foolproof,
absolutely 100% effective sure cure for any type of cancer. Only
problem, it relies on some ridiculously expensive rare metals and
treatment can't be administered for less than $10-12mm per patient.
Does society step up and spend $12mm in public funds to cure the
cancer of a 90-year old diabetic also suffering from kidney failure
and heart disease? Most medical ethicists would probably agree, "no".

To preserve freedom of choice in the marketplace, "boutique" level
health care would also be available for those who chose to pay for it.
Insurance companies could sell policies to provide more personalized
service and fund the $500,000 heart/lung transplants and other
exceptional cases. Those willing to pay could have luxury suites,
gourmet menus, etc etc etc. The sky would be the limit.

I have no problem allowing those with the means and desire to buy a
premium level of health care over and above what is available through
the proposed public system. That's what the patient in John's video
did, except then he decided to sue the Province to try to get the
taxpayers to reimburse him for the expense associated with his
prioritized treatment. That's not so different from deciding that
Harvard offered a better education than Local State U, going there to
get a degree, and then suing your home state for a refund representing
the difference in tution.

There's something wrong with the perspective that poor kids should be
denied access to decent health care (as in Texas, where a full 30% of
workers have no health insurance and the state doesn't put up the 28-
cents required to get 78-cents in Federal money for kids health).
There's something wrong with a system that causes middle class men
approaching and/or entering retirement to view the kids and the truly
indigent as "competitors" for health care.

Split the system. Basic, decent, public care adequate to sustain the
general health of the poor or those who choose not to pay for anything
more exotic, and traditional private practice for folks who want the
best health care money (a lot of it) can buy.
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On Feb 1, 6:43?am, John H. wrote:
Scary ****.

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

--
John H


Almost begins to rival this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...lth-care_N.htm

"Illegal immigrants represent 21% of the county's public caseload, even
though they represent only about 6% of the area's population."

But we need the illegals according to Obama and Hillary. Something is very
wrong when 1/3 of the people do not have insurance. It says they are either
playing the system, so figured out they want to spend the $125 a month a
person in the teens and twenties pays on something else.


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"HK" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Feb 1, 6:43?am, John H. wrote:
Scary ****.

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

--
John H

Almost begins to rival this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...lth-care_N.htm

Be worried Chuck. The no pays are slowly shutting down our healthcare
system. They get priority service while you wait for your insurance
and financial history gets scrutinized before you get to be seen.
Usually there is a co-pay involved too. But that's OK. It's our duty
to stand aside while the wetbacks and our own entitled folks go to
the head of the line for free.


The "wetbacks?"

Jesus, you really are a creep.
What would you call them?


"Them"?


Get a dictionary research boy. When is your next book coming out?



You use pejoratives in referring to blacks, Jews, and Asians, too?


You use pejoratives in referring to conservatives, Christians, and those not
approved by the DNC and union leadership. Why questions this persons
pejoratives?


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