By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer1 hour, 37 minutes ago

Consumers increased their spending at the weakest pace in six months
while applications for unemployment benefits soared last week, two more
signs the economy is weakening.

The Commerce Department reported Thursday that consumer spending edged
up just 0.2 percent in December — the year's peak shopping season — down
sharply from a 1 percent gain in November. It was the weakest
performance in this area since a similar 0.2 percent rise in June of
last year.

Meanwhile, the Labor Department reported that the number of laid off
workers filing applications for unemployment benefits soared by 69,000
to 375,000. That was the highest level for jobless claims since the week
of Oct. 8, 2005, when the economy was dealing with the disruptions
caused by Hurricane Katrina and the other Gulf Coast hurricanes.

The increase in jobless claims was more than triple what economists had
been expecting although part of the increase was blamed on technical
difficulties in adjusting the figures around the Martin Luther King Jr.
holiday.

But private economists said they believed the figure was accurately
pointing to a weakening in the job market that reflects the significant
slowdown in the overall economy. Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. analyst at
High Frequency Economics, said he believed the underlying level of
jobless claims currently is around 350,000, an indication of a
deteriorating labor market.

The unemployment rate rose significantly in December, going up to 5
percent from 4.7 percent in November. That was the biggest one-month
increase since the period immediately following the September 2001
terrorist attacks. The January unemployment figure will be reported on
Friday.

The weakening jobs market is keeping labor cost pressures contained. The
Labor Department's Employment Cost Index posted a 0.8 percent rise in
the final three months of last year. Wages and salaries were up 0.8
percent and benefit costs, which include health insurance and pensions,
rose by 0.9 percent.

The 0.2 percent rise in consumer spending looked even worse when price
changes were removed. Inflation-adjusted spending did not increase at
all last month, following a 0.4 percent rise in November and a 0.1
percent decline in October.

The report on spending confirmed earlier reports by retailers that last
year was the worst year for holiday spending in five years as consumers,
worried about the economy and hit by tighter credit, a wave of home
foreclosures and soaring energy prices, sharply reined in their shopping
despite the best efforts of retailers to boost sales with discounted
merchandise.

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday cut a key interest rate by a
half-point, the second large move in less than a week as the central
bank signaled it was prepared to do whatever is needed to combat the
weakening economy.

The Senate is working to follow the lead of President Bush and the House
in developing an economic stimulus package to speed rebate checks to
millions of homes in an effort to prop up consumer spending and ward off
a recession — or at least make it a short and mild downturn.

The report on consumer spending showed that personal incomes rose by 0.5
percent in December, the best showing since a similar increase in September.

An inflation gauge tied to spending that is closely watched by the
Federal Reserve posted a 0.2 percent rise in December and left prices,
excluding energy and food, up by 2.2 percent over the past 12 months,
slightly higher than the 2 percent upper bound of the Fed's comfort zone.

HK wrote:


By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer1 hour, 37 minutes ago

Consumers increased their spending at the weakest pace in six months
while applications for unemployment benefits soared last week, two more
signs the economy is weakening.

The Commerce Department reported Thursday that consumer spending edged
up just 0.2 percent in December — the year's peak shopping season — down
sharply from a 1 percent gain in November. It was the weakest

Harry it is nice to see an article bring you so much joy. If you go
down to the soup kitchens you will be ecstatic. I have never seen
anyone get so much joy from the misfortunes of others.

On Jan 31, 8:52 am, HK wrote:
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer1 hour, 37 minutes ago

Consumers increased their spending at the weakest pace in six months
while applications for unemployment benefits soared last week, two more
signs the economy is weakening.

The Commerce Department reported Thursday that consumer spending edged
up just 0.2 percent in December -- the year's peak shopping season -- down
sharply from a 1 percent gain in November. It was the weakest
performance in this area since a similar 0.2 percent rise in June of
last year.

Meanwhile, the Labor Department reported that the number of laid off
workers filing applications for unemployment benefits soared by 69,000
to 375,000. That was the highest level for jobless claims since the week
of Oct. 8, 2005, when the economy was dealing with the disruptions
caused by Hurricane Katrina and the other Gulf Coast hurricanes.

The increase in jobless claims was more than triple what economists had
been expecting although part of the increase was blamed on technical
difficulties in adjusting the figures around the Martin Luther King Jr.
holiday.

But private economists said they believed the figure was accurately
pointing to a weakening in the job market that reflects the significant
slowdown in the overall economy. Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. analyst at
High Frequency Economics, said he believed the underlying level of
jobless claims currently is around 350,000, an indication of a
deteriorating labor market.

The unemployment rate rose significantly in December, going up to 5
percent from 4.7 percent in November. That was the biggest one-month
increase since the period immediately following the September 2001
terrorist attacks. The January unemployment figure will be reported on
Friday.

The weakening jobs market is keeping labor cost pressures contained. The
Labor Department's Employment Cost Index posted a 0.8 percent rise in
the final three months of last year. Wages and salaries were up 0.8
percent and benefit costs, which include health insurance and pensions,
rose by 0.9 percent.

The 0.2 percent rise in consumer spending looked even worse when price
changes were removed. Inflation-adjusted spending did not increase at
all last month, following a 0.4 percent rise in November and a 0.1
percent decline in October.

The report on spending confirmed earlier reports by retailers that last
year was the worst year for holiday spending in five years as consumers,
worried about the economy and hit by tighter credit, a wave of home
foreclosures and soaring energy prices, sharply reined in their shopping
despite the best efforts of retailers to boost sales with discounted
merchandise.

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday cut a key interest rate by a
half-point, the second large move in less than a week as the central
bank signaled it was prepared to do whatever is needed to combat the
weakening economy.

The Senate is working to follow the lead of President Bush and the House
in developing an economic stimulus package to speed rebate checks to
millions of homes in an effort to prop up consumer spending and ward off
a recession -- or at least make it a short and mild downturn.

The report on consumer spending showed that personal incomes rose by 0.5
percent in December, the best showing since a similar increase in September.

An inflation gauge tied to spending that is closely watched by the
Federal Reserve posted a 0.2 percent rise in December and left prices,
excluding energy and food, up by 2.2 percent over the past 12 months,
slightly higher than the 2 percent upper bound of the Fed's comfort zone.

Unemployment is at 5%. That's not so good, but economists consider
3-4% "full employment" because there will always be a few people
voluntarily quitting to find a new or better job. Looks like 1 or 2
people per hundred who really want to work can't find a job. That's
not good, but it's not a national emergency or sufficient reason for
everybody to vote for any particular political party.

We're coming off a boom time. Indicators will appear negative as the
economy swings back closer to "normal".

There *are* fundamental problems that transcend a slowdown in consumer
spending and a slight uptick in unemployment rates. There has been no
fiscal restraint, of any kind or by either party, for the last seven
years in Wash DC. If you want to crow "the sky is falling", at least
look up, not in a mirror, as you do.

Yeah, the little guy is reeling right now in some regards. For most
families gasoline is a necessity, and many of those on a tight budget
and a high percentage of the working poor are being forced to choose
between gassing up the beater to get to work and adequately feeding
and clothing their kids. Put a Democratic president in power and give
him or her a 100% Democratic congress to work with and this still
would not change. Nor would it change with the R's left in charge.

If we as a society had the brains of a goose, we'd look at the energy
mess we're in and realize that we got here by disregarding the warning
signs for the last 20-30 years. We would then appreciate that the
warnings about our skyrocketing deficits and national debt sound a lot
like the warnings the "doomsayers" were issuing regarding energy not
so long ago. Perhaps we should try to get our financial house in order
before we become economic vassals of the Chinese.

Removing George Bush from office, an event that will occur in less
than a year, will not solve the problems you highlight. Nor will
electing the other gang of thieves in his place.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 31, 8:52 am, HK wrote:
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer1 hour, 37 minutes ago

Consumers increased their spending at the weakest pace in six months
while applications for unemployment benefits soared last week, two more
signs the economy is weakening.

The Commerce Department reported Thursday that consumer spending edged
up just 0.2 percent in December -- the year's peak shopping season -- down
sharply from a 1 percent gain in November. It was the weakest
performance in this area since a similar 0.2 percent rise in June of
last year.

Meanwhile, the Labor Department reported that the number of laid off
workers filing applications for unemployment benefits soared by 69,000
to 375,000. That was the highest level for jobless claims since the week
of Oct. 8, 2005, when the economy was dealing with the disruptions
caused by Hurricane Katrina and the other Gulf Coast hurricanes.

The increase in jobless claims was more than triple what economists had
been expecting although part of the increase was blamed on technical
difficulties in adjusting the figures around the Martin Luther King Jr.
holiday.

But private economists said they believed the figure was accurately
pointing to a weakening in the job market that reflects the significant
slowdown in the overall economy. Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. analyst at
High Frequency Economics, said he believed the underlying level of
jobless claims currently is around 350,000, an indication of a
deteriorating labor market.

The unemployment rate rose significantly in December, going up to 5
percent from 4.7 percent in November. That was the biggest one-month
increase since the period immediately following the September 2001
terrorist attacks. The January unemployment figure will be reported on
Friday.

The weakening jobs market is keeping labor cost pressures contained. The
Labor Department's Employment Cost Index posted a 0.8 percent rise in
the final three months of last year. Wages and salaries were up 0.8
percent and benefit costs, which include health insurance and pensions,
rose by 0.9 percent.

The 0.2 percent rise in consumer spending looked even worse when price
changes were removed. Inflation-adjusted spending did not increase at
all last month, following a 0.4 percent rise in November and a 0.1
percent decline in October.

The report on spending confirmed earlier reports by retailers that last
year was the worst year for holiday spending in five years as consumers,
worried about the economy and hit by tighter credit, a wave of home
foreclosures and soaring energy prices, sharply reined in their shopping
despite the best efforts of retailers to boost sales with discounted
merchandise.

The Federal Reserve on Wednesday cut a key interest rate by a
half-point, the second large move in less than a week as the central
bank signaled it was prepared to do whatever is needed to combat the
weakening economy.

The Senate is working to follow the lead of President Bush and the House
in developing an economic stimulus package to speed rebate checks to
millions of homes in an effort to prop up consumer spending and ward off
a recession -- or at least make it a short and mild downturn.

The report on consumer spending showed that personal incomes rose by 0.5
percent in December, the best showing since a similar increase in September.

An inflation gauge tied to spending that is closely watched by the
Federal Reserve posted a 0.2 percent rise in December and left prices,
excluding energy and food, up by 2.2 percent over the past 12 months,
slightly higher than the 2 percent upper bound of the Fed's comfort zone.

Unemployment is at 5%. That's not so good, but economists consider
3-4% "full employment" because there will always be a few people
voluntarily quitting to find a new or better job. Looks like 1 or 2
people per hundred who really want to work can't find a job. That's
not good, but it's not a national emergency or sufficient reason for
everybody to vote for any particular political party.

We're coming off a boom time. Indicators will appear negative as the
economy swings back closer to "normal".

There *are* fundamental problems that transcend a slowdown in consumer
spending and a slight uptick in unemployment rates. There has been no
fiscal restraint, of any kind or by either party, for the last seven
years in Wash DC. If you want to crow "the sky is falling", at least
look up, not in a mirror, as you do.

Yeah, the little guy is reeling right now in some regards. For most
families gasoline is a necessity, and many of those on a tight budget
and a high percentage of the working poor are being forced to choose
between gassing up the beater to get to work and adequately feeding
and clothing their kids. Put a Democratic president in power and give
him or her a 100% Democratic congress to work with and this still
would not change. Nor would it change with the R's left in charge.

If we as a society had the brains of a goose, we'd look at the energy
mess we're in and realize that we got here by disregarding the warning
signs for the last 20-30 years. We would then appreciate that the
warnings about our skyrocketing deficits and national debt sound a lot
like the warnings the "doomsayers" were issuing regarding energy not
so long ago. Perhaps we should try to get our financial house in order
before we become economic vassals of the Chinese.

Removing George Bush from office, an event that will occur in less
than a year, will not solve the problems you highlight. Nor will
electing the other gang of thieves in his place.



I think the Democrats will at least work on the problems, and not stand
up behind a podium as Bush does at the White House and feed us the same
pollyannish b.s. you are pumping out here.

The unemployment figure is far higher than 5%. Surely you know why.

Apparently to you it matters not who is running the government so long
as the rich folks in Seattle buy big boats.

On Jan 31, 9:26�am, HK wrote:


Apparently to you it matters not who is running the government so long
as the rich folks in Seattle buy big boats.

Close. It makes *no difference* which party controls the government,
the misfeasance and malfeance will run rampant. The American public
will be politically emasculated as we are encouraged by the politicos
to spend our energies fighting among ourselves. We're so busy shilling
for our particular red or blue masters that we fail to hold them
accountable. How many times will we be fooled into believing that all
of our problems will be solved if we just switch the party in power?
(Perhaps infinitely).

And the boat business is cyclical. Like the rest of the economy.
Always has been and always will be, regardless which gang of thieves
rules in Washington DC. It's wonderful that big boats are selling
well, but it has nothing to do with who is in office.

The economic chickens are likely headed home to roost, and soon. When
they do, our time will be better spent figuring out how to right the
economic ship of state than trying to figure out what portion of the
blame belongs to the D's and what portion to the R's. The D's won't
fix it, they helped cause it. The R's won't fix it, they had a chance
for six years and instead of instilling some fiscal discipline went on
a record breaking spending spree that increased the national debt by
almost 50%. Neither party has any creds in this case. A pox on both.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:26�am, HK wrote:

Apparently to you it matters not who is running the government so long
as the rich folks in Seattle buy big boats.

Close. It makes *no difference* which party controls the government,
the misfeasance and malfeance will run rampant.\



Ahh, well, some of us feel differently. Perhaps you should run for
office as an indy and lay out for us in detail what you have in mind to
fix the system.

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:43:54 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

Neither party has any creds in this case. A pox on both.

Absolutely right. The only difference is which set of special
interest groups are catered to. The only thing likely to affect me
personally is that the democrats may have a better chance of restoring
normal relations with Cuba. [on topic] That would open up vast new
cruising opportunities here in south Florida.

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:45:32 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:43:54 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

Neither party has any creds in this case. A pox on both.

Absolutely right. The only difference is which set of special
interest groups are catered to. The only thing likely to affect me
personally is that the democrats may have a better chance of restoring
normal relations with Cuba. [on topic] That would open up vast new
cruising opportunities here in south Florida.

Damn straight. Instead of having to travel through Canada to get to
Cuba for good bone fishing, I could fly directly there. Or travel
across the Straights.

And I wouldn't have to get my cigars from clandestine sources. :)

Which only goes to show you - there is a silver lining in every
disaster. :)

John wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
Removing George Bush from office, an event that will occur in less
than a year, will not solve the problems you highlight. Nor will
electing the other gang of thieves in his place.

maybe maybe not - depends on how much credibility you put on the historical
record.

our national debt is 9 trillion dollars
Republicans since 1982 can be blamed for 7 trillion of that, democrats only
2 trillion. So I guess if you do not put much significance on national
debt - then you are correct there is no difference!



Do you understand compound interest?

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Damn straight. Instead of having to travel through Canada to get to
Cuba for good bone fishing, I could fly directly there. Or travel
across the Straights.

And I wouldn't have to get my cigars from clandestine sources. :)

You just need to put the box in your daughter's Hello Kitty backpack as
you go through customs. But, the transportation costs will kill you.

Which only goes to show you - there is a silver lining in every
disaster. :)