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Blu-Ray DVD players
This is posted as a word of warning to potential Blu-Ray disk players who have become accustom to the operation of a regular DVD player. They work great, have a great picture in HD, but ..... They are a pain in the rear. Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Hit the "Open" button and it thinks about it for a while. If it decides to cooperate, the disk drive opens after a two or three minute delay. Hit the "Power off" button, and it thinks about it again for a while. Might shut off, might not. When it goes to play a movie, it first "loads" a bunch of data into ROM. You may as well go get a cup of coffee or a beer while waiting for it to load up. Sometimes, it simply cuts the video out completely while thinking about things and your monitor goes to "no signal". When this happens, resist the urge to hit another command button. All that accomplishes is another thing for it to think about for a while. Eventually, the picture will come back. Although they produce a superior picture when they run, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. BTW .... these characteristics are the same on two Blu-Ray players that I bought ... the Sharp and a Sony that I bought for Mrs.E. today. Of the two, the Sharp has been the most cooperative. Eisboch |
Blu-Ray DVD players
Eisboch wrote:
This is posted as a word of warning to potential Blu-Ray disk players who have become accustom to the operation of a regular DVD player. They work great, have a great picture in HD, but ..... They are a pain in the rear. Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Hit the "Open" button and it thinks about it for a while. If it decides to cooperate, the disk drive opens after a two or three minute delay. Hit the "Power off" button, and it thinks about it again for a while. Might shut off, might not. When it goes to play a movie, it first "loads" a bunch of data into ROM. You may as well go get a cup of coffee or a beer while waiting for it to load up. Sometimes, it simply cuts the video out completely while thinking about things and your monitor goes to "no signal". When this happens, resist the urge to hit another command button. All that accomplishes is another thing for it to think about for a while. Eventually, the picture will come back. Although they produce a superior picture when they run, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. BTW .... these characteristics are the same on two Blu-Ray players that I bought ... the Sharp and a Sony that I bought for Mrs.E. today. Of the two, the Sharp has been the most cooperative. Eisboch So, what you are saying is that it works about as smoothly as SWTOM fishes? :} Where is he, anyway? I miss my daily dose of Tom-sults. |
Blu-Ray DVD players
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... This is posted as a word of warning to potential Blu-Ray disk players who have become accustom to the operation of a regular DVD player. They work great, have a great picture in HD, but ..... They are a pain in the rear. Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Hit the "Open" button and it thinks about it for a while. If it decides to cooperate, the disk drive opens after a two or three minute delay. Hit the "Power off" button, and it thinks about it again for a while. Might shut off, might not. When it goes to play a movie, it first "loads" a bunch of data into ROM. You may as well go get a cup of coffee or a beer while waiting for it to load up. Sometimes, it simply cuts the video out completely while thinking about things and your monitor goes to "no signal". When this happens, resist the urge to hit another command button. All that accomplishes is another thing for it to think about for a while. Eventually, the picture will come back. Although they produce a superior picture when they run, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. BTW .... these characteristics are the same on two Blu-Ray players that I bought ... the Sharp and a Sony that I bought for Mrs.E. today. Of the two, the Sharp has been the most cooperative. Eisboch Does this thing operate under windoze? I have a Samsung DVD recorder (out for repair at the moment because it ignores CDs) that behaves much like your blue ray thingie. |
Blu-Ray DVD players
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... This is posted as a word of warning to potential Blu-Ray disk players who have become accustom to the operation of a regular DVD player. They work great, have a great picture in HD, but ..... They are a pain in the rear. Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Hit the "Open" button and it thinks about it for a while. If it decides to cooperate, the disk drive opens after a two or three minute delay. Hit the "Power off" button, and it thinks about it again for a while. Might shut off, might not. When it goes to play a movie, it first "loads" a bunch of data into ROM. You may as well go get a cup of coffee or a beer while waiting for it to load up. Sometimes, it simply cuts the video out completely while thinking about things and your monitor goes to "no signal". When this happens, resist the urge to hit another command button. All that accomplishes is another thing for it to think about for a while. Eventually, the picture will come back. Although they produce a superior picture when they run, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. BTW .... these characteristics are the same on two Blu-Ray players that I bought ... the Sharp and a Sony that I bought for Mrs.E. today. Of the two, the Sharp has been the most cooperative. Eisboch I don't have a BluRay player. I remember reading somewhere that there's problems with HDMI. Have you tried, just to prove a point, other interconnections? |
Blu-Ray DVD players
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... This is posted as a word of warning to potential Blu-Ray disk players who have become accustom to the operation of a regular DVD player. They work great, have a great picture in HD, but ..... They are a pain in the rear. Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Hit the "Open" button and it thinks about it for a while. If it decides to cooperate, the disk drive opens after a two or three minute delay. Hit the "Power off" button, and it thinks about it again for a while. Might shut off, might not. When it goes to play a movie, it first "loads" a bunch of data into ROM. You may as well go get a cup of coffee or a beer while waiting for it to load up. Sometimes, it simply cuts the video out completely while thinking about things and your monitor goes to "no signal". When this happens, resist the urge to hit another command button. All that accomplishes is another thing for it to think about for a while. Eventually, the picture will come back. Although they produce a superior picture when they run, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. BTW .... these characteristics are the same on two Blu-Ray players that I bought ... the Sharp and a Sony that I bought for Mrs.E. today. Of the two, the Sharp has been the most cooperative. Eisboch I don't have a BluRay player. I remember reading somewhere that there's problems with HDMI. Have you tried, just to prove a point, other interconnections? Yep. Similar slowness in component video hookup, although I think it's worse in HDMI. It plays a regular, non HD DVD fine and responds to commands much more quickly, but still is slow to do basic things .... like turn off. Interestingly, my daughter has a Playstation 3 game system for her kids. It also can play Blu-Ray DVD's. She reports similar issues using it. I think the processor in these things is overloaded. In hindsight, I should have waited for a couple of more years for the technology to mature. They are painful to use. Eisboch |
Blu-Ray DVD players
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... This is posted as a word of warning to potential Blu-Ray disk players who have become accustom to the operation of a regular DVD player. They work great, have a great picture in HD, but ..... They are a pain in the rear. Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Hit the "Open" button and it thinks about it for a while. If it decides to cooperate, the disk drive opens after a two or three minute delay. Hit the "Power off" button, and it thinks about it again for a while. Might shut off, might not. When it goes to play a movie, it first "loads" a bunch of data into ROM. You may as well go get a cup of coffee or a beer while waiting for it to load up. Sometimes, it simply cuts the video out completely while thinking about things and your monitor goes to "no signal". When this happens, resist the urge to hit another command button. All that accomplishes is another thing for it to think about for a while. Eventually, the picture will come back. Although they produce a superior picture when they run, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. BTW .... these characteristics are the same on two Blu-Ray players that I bought ... the Sharp and a Sony that I bought for Mrs.E. today. Of the two, the Sharp has been the most cooperative. Eisboch I don't have a BluRay player. I remember reading somewhere that there's problems with HDMI. Have you tried, just to prove a point, other interconnections? Yep. Similar slowness in component video hookup, although I think it's worse in HDMI. It plays a regular, non HD DVD fine and responds to commands much more quickly, but still is slow to do basic things .... like turn off. Interestingly, my daughter has a Playstation 3 game system for her kids. It also can play Blu-Ray DVD's. She reports similar issues using it. I think the processor in these things is overloaded. In hindsight, I should have waited for a couple of more years for the technology to mature. They are painful to use. Eisboch Yup! I always wait a while on new fangled gadgets to see if they pan out. |
Blu-Ray DVD players
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
This is posted as a word of warning to potential Blu-Ray disk players who have become accustom to the operation of a regular DVD player. They work great, have a great picture in HD, but ..... They are a pain in the rear. Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Hit the "Open" button and it thinks about it for a while. If it decides to cooperate, the disk drive opens after a two or three minute delay. Hit the "Power off" button, and it thinks about it again for a while. Might shut off, might not. When it goes to play a movie, it first "loads" a bunch of data into ROM. You may as well go get a cup of coffee or a beer while waiting for it to load up. Sometimes, it simply cuts the video out completely while thinking about things and your monitor goes to "no signal". When this happens, resist the urge to hit another command button. All that accomplishes is another thing for it to think about for a while. Eventually, the picture will come back. Although they produce a superior picture when they run, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. BTW .... these characteristics are the same on two Blu-Ray players that I bought ... the Sharp and a Sony that I bought for Mrs.E. today. Of the two, the Sharp has been the most cooperative. If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve |
Blu-Ray DVD players
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... This is posted as a word of warning to potential Blu-Ray disk players who have become accustom to the operation of a regular DVD player. They work great, have a great picture in HD, but ..... They are a pain in the rear. Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Hit the "Open" button and it thinks about it for a while. If it decides to cooperate, the disk drive opens after a two or three minute delay. Hit the "Power off" button, and it thinks about it again for a while. Might shut off, might not. When it goes to play a movie, it first "loads" a bunch of data into ROM. You may as well go get a cup of coffee or a beer while waiting for it to load up. Sometimes, it simply cuts the video out completely while thinking about things and your monitor goes to "no signal". When this happens, resist the urge to hit another command button. All that accomplishes is another thing for it to think about for a while. Eventually, the picture will come back. Although they produce a superior picture when they run, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. BTW .... these characteristics are the same on two Blu-Ray players that I bought ... the Sharp and a Sony that I bought for Mrs.E. today. Of the two, the Sharp has been the most cooperative. Eisboch I don't have a BluRay player. I remember reading somewhere that there's problems with HDMI. Have you tried, just to prove a point, other interconnections? Yep. Similar slowness in component video hookup, although I think it's worse in HDMI. It plays a regular, non HD DVD fine and responds to commands much more quickly, but still is slow to do basic things .... like turn off. Interestingly, my daughter has a Playstation 3 game system for her kids. It also can play Blu-Ray DVD's. She reports similar issues using it. I think the processor in these things is overloaded. In hindsight, I should have waited for a couple of more years for the technology to mature. They are painful to use. Eisboch Subsequently I've read a little more and sluggishness seems to be the order of the day. |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve I didn't know PS3 played Blu-Ray until after I had purchased the disk players, mentioned the issues to my daughter and she informed me about PS3 which she has for her two boys. I have no interest in video games, so it didn't occur to me to even check them out. Except .... due to the discussion, she let me borrow their "Wii" system. What a blast! You hold a controller in your hand and physically go through the motions of bowling or swinging a baseball bat, golf club, tennis racket, etc. I got a kick out of it. Back to Blue-Ray. Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Also, my daughter said it had operational issues similar to those I've experienced with the Sharp and Sony players when playing a Blu-Ray disk. I know the Blu-Ray disks hold a huge amount of data compared to regular DVD. I wonder if finding, reading and displaying the data is the reason for it's slow motionness. Another expensive lesson learned, although once they are playing, the picture quality is outstanding. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:43:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Yes. With the 80 Gb system, it uses software emulatoin for backwards compatibility to PS2. Which sucks by the way. I read your Blu-Ray post with some interest as my PS3 does exactly the same thing with Blu-Ray discs - slower than hell to load up and play. Any commands are glacial. In my opinion, the processor is too small. Once everything is loaded though - game play is great and the movies are outstanding. |
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote:
Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. |
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Plus the whole bluray verses hd thing is sort of like the beta verse vhs.
As I remember beta, even though the superior format, lost out to vhs. And beta was another one of sony's ideas. I'm waiting for signs of a victor in this war before buying a high res dvd player. I think a lot of people are as well and that's why the acceptance has been slow. "JimH" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve I didn't know PS3 played Blu-Ray until after I had purchased the disk players, mentioned the issues to my daughter and she informed me about PS3 which she has for her two boys. I have no interest in video games, so it didn't occur to me to even check them out. Except .... due to the discussion, she let me borrow their "Wii" system. What a blast! You hold a controller in your hand and physically go through the motions of bowling or swinging a baseball bat, golf club, tennis racket, etc. I got a kick out of it. Back to Blue-Ray. Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Yes. Also, my daughter said it had operational issues similar to those I've experienced with the Sharp and Sony players when playing a Blu-Ray disk. I know the Blu-Ray disks hold a huge amount of data compared to regular DVD. I wonder if finding, reading and displaying the data is the reason for it's slow motionness. Another expensive lesson learned, although once they are playing, the picture quality is outstanding. Eisboch The 80gb PS3 is being phased out, leaving only the 40gb unit. If you are planning to buy and 80gb you better do it soon. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,14...s/article.html |
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"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. |
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On Jan 30, 5:24*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
This is posted as a word of warning to potential Blu-Ray disk players who have become accustom to the operation of a regular DVD player. They work great, have a great picture in HD, but ..... They are a pain in the rear. Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Hit the "Open" button and it thinks about it for a while. *If it decides to cooperate, the disk drive opens after a two or three minute delay. Hit the "Power off" button, and it thinks about it again for a while. *Might shut off, might not. When it goes to play a movie, it first "loads" a bunch of data into ROM. You may as well go get a cup of coffee or a beer while waiting for it to load up. Sometimes, it simply cuts the video out completely while thinking about things and your monitor goes to "no signal". *When this happens, resist the urge to hit another command button. *All that accomplishes is another thing for it to think about for a while. *Eventually, the picture will come back. Although they produce a superior picture when they run, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. BTW .... these characteristics are the same on two Blu-Ray players that I bought ... the Sharp and a Sony that I bought for Mrs.E. today. * *Of the two, the Sharp has been the most cooperative. Eisboch Sounds like those $39 conventional DVD players......... |
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On Jan 30, 7:06*pm, Steve wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: This is posted as a word of warning to potential Blu-Ray disk players who have become accustom to the operation of a regular DVD player. They work great, have a great picture in HD, but ..... They are a pain in the rear. Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Hit the "Open" button and it thinks about it for a while. *If it decides to cooperate, the disk drive opens after a two or three minute delay. Hit the "Power off" button, and it thinks about it again for a while. *Might shut off, might not. When it goes to play a movie, it first "loads" a bunch of data into ROM. You may as well go get a cup of coffee or a beer while waiting for it to load up. Sometimes, it simply cuts the video out completely while thinking about things and your monitor goes to "no signal". *When this happens, resist the urge to hit another command button. *All that accomplishes is another thing for it to think about for a while. *Eventually, the picture will come back. Although they produce a superior picture when they run, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. BTW .... these characteristics are the same on two Blu-Ray players that I bought ... the Sharp and a Sony that I bought for Mrs.E. today. * *Of the two, the Sharp has been the most cooperative. If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? *The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. *It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. *It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's interesting, thanks for the input! |
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On Jan 30, 10:43*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? *The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. *It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. *It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve I didn't know PS3 played Blu-Ray until after I had purchased the disk players, *mentioned the issues to my daughter and she informed me about PS3 which she has for her two boys. * I have no interest in video games, so it didn't occur to me to even check them out. *Except .... * due to the discussion, she let me borrow their "Wii" system. *What a blast! You hold a controller in your hand and physically go through the motions of bowling or swinging a baseball bat, golf club, tennis racket, etc. * I got a kick out of it. Back to Blue-Ray. * Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Also, my daughter said it had operational issues similar to those I've experienced with the Sharp and Sony players when playing a Blu-Ray disk. I know the Blu-Ray disks hold a huge amount of data compared to regular DVD. I wonder if finding, reading and displaying the data is the reason for it's slow motionness. Another expensive lesson learned, although once they are playing, the picture quality is outstanding. Eisboch Have Guitar Hero for PS3 for my kids. Seeing how I play guitar, I didn't think I'd like it, because it's not really like playing for real, but what a blast! EVERYBODY that goes down to the gameroom and tries it is addicted! Last Saturday, I was in my brewhouse getting ready to make a batch of ale and my friend came in and kept trying to hurry me so we could play! |
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On Jan 31, 6:06*am, "JimH" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? *The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. *It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. *It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve I didn't know PS3 played Blu-Ray until after I had purchased the disk players, *mentioned the issues to my daughter and she informed me about PS3 which she has for her two boys. * I have no interest in video games, so it didn't occur to me to even check them out. *Except .... * due to the discussion, she let me borrow their "Wii" system. *What a blast! You hold a controller in your hand and physically go through the motions of bowling or swinging a baseball bat, golf club, tennis racket, etc. * I got a kick out of it. Back to Blue-Ray. * Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Yes. Also, my daughter said it had operational issues similar to those I've experienced with the Sharp and Sony players when playing a Blu-Ray disk. I know the Blu-Ray disks hold a huge amount of data compared to regular DVD. I wonder if finding, reading and displaying the data is the reason for it's slow motionness. Another expensive lesson learned, although once they are playing, the picture quality is outstanding. Eisboch The 80gb PS3 is being phased out, leaving only the 40gb unit. * If you are planning to buy and 80gb you better do it soon. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,14.../article.html- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You need to quit being so quick to believe everything you hear. Did you notice at the beginning that Sony has not said that? Did you notice that it even says that it's NOT CONFIRMED???? |
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:24:56 -0500, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. Damn, I feel horrible. We've got about ten movies, mostly Disney stuff for the grandkids and a few Christmas presents. Why would anyone buy a couple hundred movies on DVD? Anyone? -- John H |
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wrote: Sounds like those $39 conventional DVD players......... That much? the local pawn shop has 'em for 15 bucks all day! ?;^) |
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:20:20 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
wrote: Sounds like those $39 conventional DVD players......... That much? the local pawn shop has 'em for 15 bucks all day! ?;^) LOL! You should go buy a bunch and sell them on ebay! Hell, you might make two dollars and seventy three cents! -- John H |
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wrote in message ... On Jan 30, 10:43 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve I didn't know PS3 played Blu-Ray until after I had purchased the disk players, mentioned the issues to my daughter and she informed me about PS3 which she has for her two boys. I have no interest in video games, so it didn't occur to me to even check them out. Except .... due to the discussion, she let me borrow their "Wii" system. What a blast! You hold a controller in your hand and physically go through the motions of bowling or swinging a baseball bat, golf club, tennis racket, etc. I got a kick out of it. Back to Blue-Ray. Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Also, my daughter said it had operational issues similar to those I've experienced with the Sharp and Sony players when playing a Blu-Ray disk. I know the Blu-Ray disks hold a huge amount of data compared to regular DVD. I wonder if finding, reading and displaying the data is the reason for it's slow motionness. Another expensive lesson learned, although once they are playing, the picture quality is outstanding. Eisboch Have Guitar Hero for PS3 for my kids. Seeing how I play guitar, I didn't think I'd like it, because it's not really like playing for real, but what a blast! EVERYBODY that goes down to the gameroom and tries it is addicted! Last Saturday, I was in my brewhouse getting ready to make a batch of ale and my friend came in and kept trying to hurry me so we could play! My son has that game. Caught him bringing in the 'drum set' to go along with the guitar and microphone . Next thing I knew he had three friends down there 'playing' and singing along. Maybe if I heard some 60s music it wouldn't be too bad. |
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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:24:56 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. Damn, I feel horrible. We've got about ten movies, mostly Disney stuff for the grandkids and a few Christmas presents. Why would anyone buy a couple hundred movies on DVD? Anyone? That is why God invented Netflix. |
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On Jan 31, 10:15*am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:24:56 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. *I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. *The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. *I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. *I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. *That's too much. *If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. *The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? *(I also bought another 46" LCD *HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies *coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very *few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. Damn, I feel horrible. We've got about ten movies, mostly Disney stuff for the grandkids and a few Christmas presents. Why would anyone buy a couple hundred movies on DVD? Anyone? -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, you know, John, same old ****, different day! Harry has the best of everything! What I can't figure out, is how Harry amassed such a collection, seeing how his taste is SO much better than anyone else, he wouldn't possibly stoop to watching common folks' movies..... |
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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:28:35 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:24:56 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. Damn, I feel horrible. We've got about ten movies, mostly Disney stuff for the grandkids and a few Christmas presents. Why would anyone buy a couple hundred movies on DVD? Anyone? That is why God invented Netflix. We use the Blockbuster's version, which is a good deal for us 'cause there's a Bb about three blocks away. I guess if I were going to Madagascar for twelve years, I might buy a couple hundred movies to take along. I stopped using Blockbuster when they wanted to charge me a late fee, when I returned the movie at 12:05. I was 5 min. late and they wanted to charged me double the rental fee for 5 days. |
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:40:26 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:28:35 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:24:56 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. Damn, I feel horrible. We've got about ten movies, mostly Disney stuff for the grandkids and a few Christmas presents. Why would anyone buy a couple hundred movies on DVD? Anyone? That is why God invented Netflix. We use the Blockbuster's version, which is a good deal for us 'cause there's a Bb about three blocks away. I guess if I were going to Madagascar for twelve years, I might buy a couple hundred movies to take along. I stopped using Blockbuster when they wanted to charge me a late fee, when I returned the movie at 12:05. I was 5 min. late and they wanted to charged me double the rental fee for 5 days. They stopped that. -- John H |
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"jamesgangnc" wrote in message ... Plus the whole bluray verses hd thing is sort of like the beta verse vhs. As I remember beta, even though the superior format, lost out to vhs. And beta was another one of sony's ideas. I'm waiting for signs of a victor in this war before buying a high res dvd player. I think a lot of people are as well and that's why the acceptance has been slow. "JimH" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve I didn't know PS3 played Blu-Ray until after I had purchased the disk players, mentioned the issues to my daughter and she informed me about PS3 which she has for her two boys. I have no interest in video games, so it didn't occur to me to even check them out. Except .... due to the discussion, she let me borrow their "Wii" system. What a blast! You hold a controller in your hand and physically go through the motions of bowling or swinging a baseball bat, golf club, tennis racket, etc. I got a kick out of it. Back to Blue-Ray. Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Yes. Also, my daughter said it had operational issues similar to those I've experienced with the Sharp and Sony players when playing a Blu-Ray disk. I know the Blu-Ray disks hold a huge amount of data compared to regular DVD. I wonder if finding, reading and displaying the data is the reason for it's slow motionness. Another expensive lesson learned, although once they are playing, the picture quality is outstanding. Eisboch The 80gb PS3 is being phased out, leaving only the 40gb unit. If you are planning to buy and 80gb you better do it soon. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,14...s/article.html Beta lost out because Sony wanted to control the industry and demanded too much for use of the patents. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:40:26 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:28:35 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:24:56 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. Damn, I feel horrible. We've got about ten movies, mostly Disney stuff for the grandkids and a few Christmas presents. Why would anyone buy a couple hundred movies on DVD? Anyone? That is why God invented Netflix. We use the Blockbuster's version, which is a good deal for us 'cause there's a Bb about three blocks away. I guess if I were going to Madagascar for twelve years, I might buy a couple hundred movies to take along. I stopped using Blockbuster when they wanted to charge me a late fee, when I returned the movie at 12:05. I was 5 min. late and they wanted to charged me double the rental fee for 5 days. They stopped that. -- John H Yup, they did, but they also lost a lot of customers forever. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:40:26 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:28:35 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:24:56 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. Damn, I feel horrible. We've got about ten movies, mostly Disney stuff for the grandkids and a few Christmas presents. Why would anyone buy a couple hundred movies on DVD? Anyone? That is why God invented Netflix. We use the Blockbuster's version, which is a good deal for us 'cause there's a Bb about three blocks away. I guess if I were going to Madagascar for twelve years, I might buy a couple hundred movies to take along. I stopped using Blockbuster when they wanted to charge me a late fee, when I returned the movie at 12:05. I was 5 min. late and they wanted to charged me double the rental fee for 5 days. They stopped that. -- John H Yup, they did, but they also lost a lot of customers forever. Blockbuster hardly ever had any movies we wanted to see. We haven't been in one of the chain's stores for many years. I checked out NetFlix, but was not impressed with its "backlist." We are on a legitimate screener list, though, and get a lot of DVDs that way. A couple of times during the film, you see a copyright message crawling across the bottom of the screen, but otherwise they are the same as the DVDs that are released after the movies finish up in theaters, usually sans the fancy packaging. Unfortunately, only the current release stuff comes on screeners. The older movies we both like we usually buy on line. |
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On Jan 31, 3:24*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:18:12 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jamesgangnc" wrote in message ... Plus the whole bluray verses hd thing is sort of like the beta verse vhs. As I remember beta, even though the superior format, lost out to vhs. *And beta was another one of sony's ideas. *I'm waiting for signs of a victor in this war before buying a high res dvd player. *I think a lot of people are as well and that's why the acceptance has been slow. "JimH" wrote in message . .. "Eisboch" wrote in message news:FsidnTNMyeRu3jzanZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@giganews. com... "Steve" wrote in message m... On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? *The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. *It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor.. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. *It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve I didn't know PS3 played Blu-Ray until after I had purchased the disk players, *mentioned the issues to my daughter and she informed me about PS3 which she has for her two boys. * I have no interest in video games, so it didn't occur to me to even check them out. *Except .... * due to the discussion, she let me borrow their "Wii" system. *What a blast! You hold a controller in your hand and physically go through the motions of bowling or swinging a baseball bat, golf club, tennis racket, etc. I got a kick out of it. Back to Blue-Ray. * Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Yes. Also, my daughter said it had operational issues similar to those I've experienced with the Sharp and Sony players when playing a Blu-Ray disk. I know the Blu-Ray disks hold a huge amount of data compared to regular DVD. I wonder if finding, reading and displaying the data is the reason for it's slow motionness. Another expensive lesson learned, although once they are playing, the picture quality is outstanding. Eisboch The 80gb PS3 is being phased out, leaving only the 40gb unit. * If you are planning to buy and 80gb you better do it soon. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,14...s/article.html Beta lost out because Sony wanted to control the industry and demanded too much for use of the patents. It's true that Sony was overly possessive of Beta, but that's not really why they lost the war.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm not sure who's going to win this time. That's why I'm holding off. The bluray has a higher capacity but the disk is more fragile. HD capacity is still plenty big enough for a full length hd movie. I think sony is banking on the ps3 giving them the edge because it plays bluray. |
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jan 30, 10:43 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve I didn't know PS3 played Blu-Ray until after I had purchased the disk players, mentioned the issues to my daughter and she informed me about PS3 which she has for her two boys. I have no interest in video games, so it didn't occur to me to even check them out. Except .... due to the discussion, she let me borrow their "Wii" system. What a blast! You hold a controller in your hand and physically go through the motions of bowling or swinging a baseball bat, golf club, tennis racket, etc. I got a kick out of it. Back to Blue-Ray. Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Also, my daughter said it had operational issues similar to those I've experienced with the Sharp and Sony players when playing a Blu-Ray disk. I know the Blu-Ray disks hold a huge amount of data compared to regular DVD. I wonder if finding, reading and displaying the data is the reason for it's slow motionness. Another expensive lesson learned, although once they are playing, the picture quality is outstanding. Eisboch Have Guitar Hero for PS3 for my kids. Seeing how I play guitar, I didn't think I'd like it, because it's not really like playing for real, but what a blast! EVERYBODY that goes down to the gameroom and tries it is addicted! Last Saturday, I was in my brewhouse getting ready to make a batch of ale and my friend came in and kept trying to hurry me so we could play! My son has that game. Caught him bringing in the 'drum set' to go along with the guitar and microphone . Next thing I knew he had three friends down there 'playing' and singing along. Maybe if I heard some 60s music it wouldn't be too bad. He really should spend that time looking for a job. |
Blu-Ray DVD players
HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:40:26 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:28:35 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:24:56 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. Damn, I feel horrible. We've got about ten movies, mostly Disney stuff for the grandkids and a few Christmas presents. Why would anyone buy a couple hundred movies on DVD? Anyone? That is why God invented Netflix. We use the Blockbuster's version, which is a good deal for us 'cause there's a Bb about three blocks away. I guess if I were going to Madagascar for twelve years, I might buy a couple hundred movies to take along. I stopped using Blockbuster when they wanted to charge me a late fee, when I returned the movie at 12:05. I was 5 min. late and they wanted to charged me double the rental fee for 5 days. They stopped that. -- John H Yup, they did, but they also lost a lot of customers forever. Blockbuster hardly ever had any movies we wanted to see. We haven't been in one of the chain's stores for many years. I checked out NetFlix, but was not impressed with its "backlist." We are on a legitimate screener list, though, and get a lot of DVDs that way. A couple of times during the film, you see a copyright message crawling across the bottom of the screen, but otherwise they are the same as the DVDs that are released after the movies finish up in theaters, usually sans the fancy packaging. Unfortunately, only the current release stuff comes on screeners. The older movies we both like we usually buy on line. I should start of book to catalog Harry's bull****. |
Blu-Ray DVD players
"DK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 30, 10:43 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve I didn't know PS3 played Blu-Ray until after I had purchased the disk players, mentioned the issues to my daughter and she informed me about PS3 which she has for her two boys. I have no interest in video games, so it didn't occur to me to even check them out. Except .... due to the discussion, she let me borrow their "Wii" system. What a blast! You hold a controller in your hand and physically go through the motions of bowling or swinging a baseball bat, golf club, tennis racket, etc. I got a kick out of it. Back to Blue-Ray. Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Also, my daughter said it had operational issues similar to those I've experienced with the Sharp and Sony players when playing a Blu-Ray disk. I know the Blu-Ray disks hold a huge amount of data compared to regular DVD. I wonder if finding, reading and displaying the data is the reason for it's slow motionness. Another expensive lesson learned, although once they are playing, the picture quality is outstanding. Eisboch Have Guitar Hero for PS3 for my kids. Seeing how I play guitar, I didn't think I'd like it, because it's not really like playing for real, but what a blast! EVERYBODY that goes down to the gameroom and tries it is addicted! Last Saturday, I was in my brewhouse getting ready to make a batch of ale and my friend came in and kept trying to hurry me so we could play! My son has that game. Caught him bringing in the 'drum set' to go along with the guitar and microphone . Next thing I knew he had three friends down there 'playing' and singing along. Maybe if I heard some 60s music it wouldn't be too bad. He really should spend that time looking for a job. Here..I've got a job for you...... go f*ck yourself! |
Blu-Ray DVD players
JG2U wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:20:30 -0500, DK wrote: HK wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:40:26 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:28:35 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:24:56 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. Damn, I feel horrible. We've got about ten movies, mostly Disney stuff for the grandkids and a few Christmas presents. Why would anyone buy a couple hundred movies on DVD? Anyone? That is why God invented Netflix. We use the Blockbuster's version, which is a good deal for us 'cause there's a Bb about three blocks away. I guess if I were going to Madagascar for twelve years, I might buy a couple hundred movies to take along. I stopped using Blockbuster when they wanted to charge me a late fee, when I returned the movie at 12:05. I was 5 min. late and they wanted to charged me double the rental fee for 5 days. They stopped that. -- John H Yup, they did, but they also lost a lot of customers forever. Blockbuster hardly ever had any movies we wanted to see. We haven't been in one of the chain's stores for many years. I checked out NetFlix, but was not impressed with its "backlist." We are on a legitimate screener list, though, and get a lot of DVDs that way. A couple of times during the film, you see a copyright message crawling across the bottom of the screen, but otherwise they are the same as the DVDs that are released after the movies finish up in theaters, usually sans the fancy packaging. Unfortunately, only the current release stuff comes on screeners. The older movies we both like we usually buy on line. I should start a book to catalog Harry's bull****. Too late. It's already been done. It's called "rec.boats". Ahh, yes. If it isn't within the experience of some here, well, it can't be possible. Perhaps if you weren't such a complete jackoff, you might get on a list, too, get a screener copy of a new movie, and see the crawl across the bottom of the screen with the copyright message. |
Blu-Ray DVD players
Don White wrote:
"DK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 30, 10:43 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: If you want a BluRay player, I'm curious why someone would buy a BluRay player other than a PS3 for $399? The PS3 works great as a BluRay player. It's not slow, doesn't cut out, doesn't have *any* of the problems you mentioned above and uses a very fast microprocessor. By far, the very fastest available in any home computer actually. And as a bonus, besides watching BluRay discs, you can play PS2 or PS3 games and (if you plug in a USB keyboard and mouse) even use it as a general purpose computer running Linux. It's the best deal going in home entertainment if you ask me. Steve I didn't know PS3 played Blu-Ray until after I had purchased the disk players, mentioned the issues to my daughter and she informed me about PS3 which she has for her two boys. I have no interest in video games, so it didn't occur to me to even check them out. Except .... due to the discussion, she let me borrow their "Wii" system. What a blast! You hold a controller in your hand and physically go through the motions of bowling or swinging a baseball bat, golf club, tennis racket, etc. I got a kick out of it. Back to Blue-Ray. Does the Playstation 3 also play regular DVDs and CDs? Also, my daughter said it had operational issues similar to those I've experienced with the Sharp and Sony players when playing a Blu-Ray disk. I know the Blu-Ray disks hold a huge amount of data compared to regular DVD. I wonder if finding, reading and displaying the data is the reason for it's slow motionness. Another expensive lesson learned, although once they are playing, the picture quality is outstanding. Eisboch Have Guitar Hero for PS3 for my kids. Seeing how I play guitar, I didn't think I'd like it, because it's not really like playing for real, but what a blast! EVERYBODY that goes down to the gameroom and tries it is addicted! Last Saturday, I was in my brewhouse getting ready to make a batch of ale and my friend came in and kept trying to hurry me so we could play! My son has that game. Caught him bringing in the 'drum set' to go along with the guitar and microphone . Next thing I knew he had three friends down there 'playing' and singing along. Maybe if I heard some 60s music it wouldn't be too bad. He really should spend that time looking for a job. Here..I've got a job for you...... go f*ck yourself! If dirty dan did that, he'd have to put on at least three condoms to avoid contaminating himself. |
Blu-Ray DVD players
JG2U wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:31:34 -0500, HK wrote: JG2U wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:20:30 -0500, DK wrote: HK wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:40:26 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:28:35 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:24:56 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:24:25 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Unlike a conventional DVD player, the Blu-Ray players are basically controlled by an internal and v-e-r-y slow microprocessor. Running Java, I believe. I'm guessing that sluggishness might be DRM related. The Blu-Ray standard requires the software to do a lot more than just play the movie. So...I should wait a while before buying a Blu-Ray player and another restored copy of Casablanca in black and white? I would. I can't believe people can tolerate technology that has bugs and problems. I was reading the manuals last night and you are supposed to log on to the manufacturer's websites and download firmware updates from time to time. That's too much. If it doesn't work as advertised out of the box, I have little use for it. I re-hooked up the regular, $99 dollar DVD/CD player to my system. The amp does an "upscaling" of the video image and, although not high definition, it looks fine on most regular DVD's. Now, what the heck do I do with all the free Blu-Ray disks that are supposed to be sent? (I also bought another 46" LCD HD television and between it and two Blu-Ray players, I have 15 free movies coming plus got a $300 rebate ... $200 at time of sale and another $100 when I send all the paperwork in.) I'll keep the Blu-Ray systems, but will also keep the old player hooked up. Eisboch Well. I don't mind downloading updates from time to time. Hell, I do it all the time with Windoze, and I've already downloaded two software updates for my Garmin 4208 and various other electronic devices. My real problem with buying yet another device to play programming on a TV set is that the programming itself is so ****-poor. That's why I mentioned Casablanca, of course. The "restored" B&W version of that classic is gorgeous, but it isn't even wide screen. :) Like most folks, we have a couple of hundred moves on DVD. We watch very few of them more than a couple of times, and I would state without equivocation that at leat 95% of the new movies coming out these days are absolute crap, not worthy of watching. Of the ones that are, very few I have seen incorporate any sort of visual effects that would take advantage of what I see on the Blu-Ray displays at the video stores. I'm certainly not anti-technology, but I'd want to see some really good programming available that I'd want to watch a few times before blowing cash on Blu-Ray hardware. Damn, I feel horrible. We've got about ten movies, mostly Disney stuff for the grandkids and a few Christmas presents. Why would anyone buy a couple hundred movies on DVD? Anyone? That is why God invented Netflix. We use the Blockbuster's version, which is a good deal for us 'cause there's a Bb about three blocks away. I guess if I were going to Madagascar for twelve years, I might buy a couple hundred movies to take along. I stopped using Blockbuster when they wanted to charge me a late fee, when I returned the movie at 12:05. I was 5 min. late and they wanted to charged me double the rental fee for 5 days. They stopped that. -- John H Yup, they did, but they also lost a lot of customers forever. Blockbuster hardly ever had any movies we wanted to see. We haven't been in one of the chain's stores for many years. I checked out NetFlix, but was not impressed with its "backlist." We are on a legitimate screener list, though, and get a lot of DVDs that way. A couple of times during the film, you see a copyright message crawling across the bottom of the screen, but otherwise they are the same as the DVDs that are released after the movies finish up in theaters, usually sans the fancy packaging. Unfortunately, only the current release stuff comes on screeners. The older movies we both like we usually buy on line. I should start a book to catalog Harry's bull****. Too late. It's already been done. It's called "rec.boats". Ahh, yes. If it isn't within the experience of some here, well, it can't be possible. Perhaps if you weren't such a complete jackoff, you might get on a list, too, get a screener copy of a new movie, and see the crawl across the bottom of the screen with the copyright message. I wasn't referring to any DVD nonsense. Perhaps if you were less of a jackoff, you could stay on subject. |
Blu-Ray DVD players
"HK" wrote in message ... Ahh, yes. If it isn't within the experience of some here, well, it can't be possible. Perhaps if you weren't such a complete jackoff, you might get on a list, too, get a screener copy of a new movie, and see the crawl across the bottom of the screen with the copyright message. Why? Eisboch |
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