Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching
reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think.
It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't
waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges.


What public school system did you attend? Seems to me I remember public
schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where we all
stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of silence for
private prayer for those so inclined.

The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in the
afternoon.

Eisboch




New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade,
and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high
school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my
7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven,
where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were
made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be
vaporized if a nuclear war started.

That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the
details of that, too.

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching
reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to
think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public
schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and
pledges.


What public school system did you attend? Seems to me I remember
public schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where
we all stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of
silence for private prayer for those so inclined.

The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in
the afternoon.

Eisboch



New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade,
and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high
school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my
7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven,
where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were
made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be
vaporized if a nuclear war started.

That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the
details of that, too.

Well it is good to see you haven't lost all of your mind, and can
remember the cloud chamber, but I would find it hard to believe if you
didn't do a pledge of allegiance in school and most likely had a moment
of silence.

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:13:09 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


Well it is good to see you haven't lost all of your mind, and can
remember the cloud chamber, but I would find it hard to believe if you
didn't do a pledge of allegiance in school and most likely had a moment
of silence.

Kind of depends on how old you are. There were a couple of Supreme Court
cases in 1962 and 1963. The result of which ended school prayer, at
least in my school. I can remember saying the Pledge in grammar school,
but not after that.

wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:13:09 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


Well it is good to see you haven't lost all of your mind, and can
remember the cloud chamber, but I would find it hard to believe if you
didn't do a pledge of allegiance in school and most likely had a moment
of silence.

Kind of depends on how old you are. There were a couple of Supreme Court
cases in 1962 and 1963. The result of which ended school prayer, at
least in my school. I can remember saying the Pledge in grammar school,
but not after that.


We stopped that nonsense in grammar school, 1957 or so, I'd say.

On Jan 28, 1:13*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching
reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to
think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public
schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and
pledges.

What public school system did you attend? * Seems to me I remember
public schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where
we all stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of
silence for private prayer for those so inclined.

The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in
the afternoon.

Eisboch

New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade,
and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high
school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my
7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven,
where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were
made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be
vaporized if a nuclear war started.

That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the
details of that, too.

Well it is good to see you haven't lost all of your mind, and can
remember the cloud chamber, but I would find it hard to believe if you
didn't do a pledge of allegiance in school and most likely had a moment

. He "remembers" wrong, his teachers were not that progressive, even
in New Haven... My mom worked as an educator in one of the most
advanced school systems in the state for almost 50 years, started one
of the first local teachers unions, set a lot of policy as she was the
one who implemented most of it In CT, even in New Haven, they did
the pledge and a moment of silence in the 50's probably into JHS
anyway.

On Jan 28, 1:03*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching
reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think.
It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't
waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges.

What public school system did you attend? * Seems to me I remember public
schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where we all
stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of silence for
private prayer for those so inclined.

The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in the
afternoon.

Eisboch

New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade,
and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high
school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my
7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven,
where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were
made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be
vaporized if a nuclear war started.

That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the
details of that, too.- Hide quoted text -

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Oh, yes, Harry, we all realize that the school you attended was far
superior in every way to every other public school in the United
States.

"HK" wrote in message
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New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and
if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We
weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade
science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much
military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we
were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if
a nuclear war started.

That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the
details of that, too.


Ah HA!

So it was your 7th grade science teacher who influenced your gloom and doom
conditioning!
I can't imagine, even today, telling a kid in the 7th grade that your ass is
grass anyway, so don't be concerned with civil defense drills.

Ever consider a lawsuit?

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...


New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and
if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We
weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade
science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much
military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we
were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if
a nuclear war started.

That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the
details of that, too.


Ah HA!

So it was your 7th grade science teacher who influenced your gloom and doom
conditioning!
I can't imagine, even today, telling a kid in the 7th grade that your ass is
grass anyway, so don't be concerned with civil defense drills.

Ever consider a lawsuit?

Eisboch




My guess is that our 7th Grade Science Teacher correctly determined for
herself that hiding under a desk to protect yourself from a hydrogen
bomb would be the height of idiocy. Where did you guys hide? Woodbridge
Country Club? :')

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade,
and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high
school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my
7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven,
where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were
made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be
vaporized if a nuclear war started.

That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the
details of that, too.


Ah HA!

So it was your 7th grade science teacher who influenced your gloom and
doom conditioning!
I can't imagine, even today, telling a kid in the 7th grade that your ass
is grass anyway, so don't be concerned with civil defense drills.

Ever consider a lawsuit?

Eisboch


My guess is that our 7th Grade Science Teacher correctly determined for
herself that hiding under a desk to protect yourself from a hydrogen bomb
would be the height of idiocy. Where did you guys hide? Woodbridge Country
Club? :')


Hardly. I did all my grammar school pledging and praying in MA.

Eisboch

wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:03:37 -0500, HK wrote:

New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade,
and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high
school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my
7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven,
where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were
made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be
vaporized if a nuclear war started.

I was in DC, in the 50s that was going to be the first bomb. We still
did the duck and cover exercise ... in the hall, not under your desk
with all those windows. We were in 2d grade and still knew it was a
dumb idea. Ince it was clear the Soviets had a deliverable hydrogen
bomb they cut all of that out.(that was the "kiss your ass goodbye"
joke).
We did have the pledge and the lords prayer until middle school. (1960
or so). I don't know if that was a PC thing or just a middle school
thing.



We had a very progressive mayor in the mid-1950s, and there was a lot of
community pressure to "dump" school prayer locally long before it
happened nationally. I don't recall how it was handled within the school
system, but I do know that at the grammar school I attended, it just
stopped in about the fifth grade. By the time I got to junior high (we
had seventh through ninth junior high in those days, no more, though),
there was no morning standing and pledging.

One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of
cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really
dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high
holidays, for which everyone was thankful!