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Explain the marriage penalty Mr. Overlord sir.


Holy smokes. Only those that have never been married would require such an
explanation. For the rest of us, it has been indelibly seared into our very
beings with no room for misunderstanding, misinterpretation or ambiguity.
Some of us, after having broken free from the shackles of matrimony, have
inexplicably volunteered ourselves back into servitude. Moths to a flame, I
tell ya. Moths to a flame.

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:27:00 GMT, wrote:



Have you tried plugging the hub into one of the USB ports that
currently has a working device attached? The port you are trying to
use could simply be bad.

This might be a better option for you:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815166002

That's what I was thinking as the simple solution, but when I
suggested an extra HD to John a while back, he went the repartition
route instead, so I think he' a "problem solver."
You know, spend a couple days tinkering and maybe screw up a couple
other things while doing it, instead of going around the problem.
Hey, I'm not knocking it, I do that myself!

--Vic

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Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.


Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.

Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed :)

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:27:00 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:21:56 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:04:56 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
news:Cr6dnQ0XaZ05uwfanZ2dnUVZ_rmjnZ2d@giganews. com...

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic

Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic

Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to
believe that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Are you using any USB devices that work properly?


That's what's weird. The keyboard, mouse, external HD, Scandisk camera card
reader, all work well. Only the hubs don't work.

Have you tried plugging the hub into one of the USB ports that
currently has a working device attached? The port you are trying to
use could simply be bad.

This might be a better option for you:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815166002

Yeah, I've tried that too. I think the damn machine just doesn't like hubs
for some reason. Or the driver is bad.
--
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John H

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:27:00 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:21:56 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:04:56 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
news:Cr6dnQ0XaZ05uwfanZ2dnUVZ_rmjnZ2d@giganews. com...

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic

Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic

Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to
believe that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Are you using any USB devices that work properly?


That's what's weird. The keyboard, mouse, external HD, Scandisk camera card
reader, all work well. Only the hubs don't work.

Have you tried plugging the hub into one of the USB ports that
currently has a working device attached? The port you are trying to
use could simply be bad.

This might be a better option for you:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815166002


I should have looked at the site before hitting the send button. That looks
like it may be a good idea!
--
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John H

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:

Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.


Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.

Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed :)

WOW! There's an idea!

Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.

Vista...$143.00

Vista frustration...Priceless.

I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:53:50 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:27:00 GMT, wrote:



This might be a better option for you:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815166002


I should have looked at the site before hitting the send button. That looks
like it may be a good idea!

Make sure you have an available PCI slot before you buy it.

--Vic

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:22:50 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:53:50 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:27:00 GMT, wrote:



This might be a better option for you:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815166002


I should have looked at the site before hitting the send button. That looks
like it may be a good idea!

Make sure you have an available PCI slot before you buy it.

--Vic

Got some. Thanks.
--
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John H

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JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:13:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:51:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:29:53 -0600, "Brad Darnell"
wrote:

What a joke why does the government seem to hate single people.
Because you are single.

Duh... :)
Explain the marriage penalty Mr. Overlord sir.
I don't do details - I only set policy.

And my policy is to tax everybody within a inch of being bankrupt.

Keeps the masses in their place. :)

What ticks me off is that they are giving people with children extra
money for each kid! People with kids are already using more resources
than people without, they tax them at a lower rate (dependents), and
now they are giving them extra money for making a CHOICE! If you
can't afford kids, don't have them. And don't make me subsidize
stupid, poor people that do anyway.


snerk There's scum, and then there is conservatrash scum.

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On Jan 25, 3:58*pm, Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. *And case advice too. *You need good case advice.

--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. *John said something about going inside and
messing with them. *If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. * If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

* * * * *John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? *It's hard to believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.

Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed :)

WOW! There's an idea!

Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.

Vista...$143.00

Vista frustration...Priceless.

I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

* * * * * John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Soooo, who is actually having problems with Vista here. We have it all
over the place here on dual boot systems, and friends are running it,
no one has jumped out a window yet (pardon the pun;). Anyway, anyone
here "running" vista actually had or having any problems cause my
expereince for basic home business and home computing has been fine?
Sorry if I did not read the bash threads, but any or you having
problems that you can report?

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hk wrote:
DownTime wrote:
hk wrote:
If you're going to get one of those spiffy economy boosting checks
from the feds, what will you do with the proceeds?


(a) pay off consumer debt (the smart thing to do)

(b) buy food

(c) buy gasoline

(d) buy some more goods made in China

(e) have a fun evening with wine, women and song




I'll use mine to apply towards the balance of the recent remodeling
project. If anyone else is not planning on putting theirs to good use,
I'll help out by boosting the economy for ya. ;)


Now that's a good use, assuming you used legal labor and at least some
products made in the USA!!!




Some people don't need outside labor. Some of those people are even
millionaires yet they do the job because they want to, and want it done
right.

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JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:13:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:51:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:29:53 -0600, "Brad Darnell"
wrote:

What a joke why does the government seem to hate single people.
Because you are single.

Duh... :)
Explain the marriage penalty Mr. Overlord sir.
I don't do details - I only set policy.

And my policy is to tax everybody within a inch of being bankrupt.

Keeps the masses in their place. :)

What ticks me off is that they are giving people with children extra
money for each kid! People with kids are already using more resources
than people without, they tax them at a lower rate (dependents), and
now they are giving them extra money for making a CHOICE! If you
can't afford kids, don't have them. And don't make me subsidize
stupid, poor people that do anyway.

Just think of them paying into the SSI system when the get a job. They
won't be paying alot but they will be paying.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:52:19 -0500, hk wrote:

(a) pay off consumer debt (the smart thing to do)

That's exactly what they don't want you to do.

Apply it to a down payment on a Virgin G. flight.

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wrote:
On Jan 25, 3:58 pm, Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:
I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.
Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.
--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.
Is there more to it?
Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.
--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.
Any ideas?
Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****
John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.
Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?
Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.
Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.
Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed :)
WOW! There's an idea!

Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.

Vista...$143.00

Vista frustration...Priceless.

I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Soooo, who is actually having problems with Vista here. We have it all
over the place here on dual boot systems, and friends are running it,
no one has jumped out a window yet (pardon the pun;). Anyway, anyone
here "running" vista actually had or having any problems cause my
expereince for basic home business and home computing has been fine?
Sorry if I did not read the bash threads, but any or you having
problems that you can report?

Visit any of the "Vista" groups in UseNet you can see 1000's of people
who are having problems with Vista. Read any of the Window's magazines
and you can read countless articles about the problems people are having
with windows.

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:02:57 -0500, JG2U wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:13:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:51:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:29:53 -0600, "Brad Darnell"
wrote:

What a joke why does the government seem to hate single people.

Because you are single.

Duh... :)

Explain the marriage penalty Mr. Overlord sir.

I don't do details - I only set policy.

And my policy is to tax everybody within a inch of being bankrupt.

Keeps the masses in their place. :)

What ticks me off is that they are giving people with children extra
money for each kid! People with kids are already using more resources
than people without, they tax them at a lower rate (dependents), and
now they are giving them extra money for making a CHOICE! If you
can't afford kids, don't have them. And don't make me subsidize
stupid, poor people that do anyway.

You'd best change your attitude. The uneducated poor are the base to which
the Democrats pander. As long as they can keep this base growing, which
they're doing with illegal immigration, they'll stay in power.
--
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John H

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JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:05:04 -0500, hk wrote:

JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:13:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:51:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:29:53 -0600, "Brad Darnell"
wrote:

What a joke why does the government seem to hate single people.
Because you are single.

Duh... :)
Explain the marriage penalty Mr. Overlord sir.
I don't do details - I only set policy.

And my policy is to tax everybody within a inch of being bankrupt.

Keeps the masses in their place. :)
What ticks me off is that they are giving people with children extra
money for each kid! People with kids are already using more resources
than people without, they tax them at a lower rate (dependents), and
now they are giving them extra money for making a CHOICE! If you
can't afford kids, don't have them. And don't make me subsidize
stupid, poor people that do anyway.

snerk There's scum, and then there is conservatrash scum.

It's not political. It's called personal responsibility. Look into
it.


One of the many attributes that distinguishes us is that I care about
people who are having a hard time making it in this world, and you
don't. I believe the words on the Statue of Liberty, and you don't. I
believe I am my brother's keeper, and you don't.

When I was a very small child, my mother read this poem to me:

Abou ben Adam



Abou ben Adam (may his tribe increase!)

awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,

And saw, within the moonlight of his room,

Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,

an angel, writing in a book of of gold.

Exceeding peace had made Ben Adam bold,

And to the Prescence in the room he said:

"What writest thou?" The vision raised its head,

And, with a look made of all sweet accord,

Answered, "The names of those who love the Lord."

"And is mine one?"said Abou, "Nay, not so,"

Replied the angel. Abou spoke more low,

But cheerily still, and said, "I pray thee, then,

Write me as one who loves his fellow men."

The angel wrote, and vanished. The next night

It came again, with a great awakening light,

And showed the names whom love of God had blest,

And lo! Ben adam's name led all the rest.


- Leigh Hunt


I took that poem to heart. I care about my fellow man, and I do what I
can to help those who need help.

You care only about yourself.

You are the dictionary definition of conservatrash.



Here is an example from yesterday. I was downtown DC and happened to see
a Home Depot. I stopped in because I needed some hardware bits and
pieces for a project. It was very cold outside. The parking lot was full
of men looking for work, a shape up, as it were. Most of them were
Latinos. These guys, mostly illegals, I am sure, will do about honest in
the way of work to make enough to feed themselves and their families.
It's been cold for quite a while, and you could tell most of these guys
had not worked for a while. I had some cash on me and after talking to a
few of the guys, I simply handed what cash I had to four guys who said
they had had no work in two weeks.

I'm sure you would have walked right by them and muttered something
derogatory.


I think my name will be on the list.

But you...they'll bury you face down...because that is the way you are
going.

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:23:48 -0500, hk wrote:

JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:05:04 -0500, hk wrote:

JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:13:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:51:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:29:53 -0600, "Brad Darnell"
wrote:

What a joke why does the government seem to hate single people.
Because you are single.

Duh... :)
Explain the marriage penalty Mr. Overlord sir.
I don't do details - I only set policy.

And my policy is to tax everybody within a inch of being bankrupt.

Keeps the masses in their place. :)
What ticks me off is that they are giving people with children extra
money for each kid! People with kids are already using more resources
than people without, they tax them at a lower rate (dependents), and
now they are giving them extra money for making a CHOICE! If you
can't afford kids, don't have them. And don't make me subsidize
stupid, poor people that do anyway.

snerk There's scum, and then there is conservatrash scum.

It's not political. It's called personal responsibility. Look into
it.


One of the many attributes that distinguishes us is that I care about
people who are having a hard time making it in this world, and you
don't. I believe the words on the Statue of Liberty, and you don't. I
believe I am my brother's keeper, and you don't.

When I was a very small child, my mother read this poem to me:

Abou ben Adam



Abou ben Adam (may his tribe increase!)

awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,

And saw, within the moonlight of his room,

Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,

an angel, writing in a book of of gold.

Exceeding peace had made Ben Adam bold,

And to the Prescence in the room he said:

"What writest thou?" The vision raised its head,

And, with a look made of all sweet accord,

Answered, "The names of those who love the Lord."

"And is mine one?"said Abou, "Nay, not so,"

Replied the angel. Abou spoke more low,

But cheerily still, and said, "I pray thee, then,

Write me as one who loves his fellow men."

The angel wrote, and vanished. The next night

It came again, with a great awakening light,

And showed the names whom love of God had blest,

And lo! Ben adam's name led all the rest.


- Leigh Hunt


I took that poem to heart. I care about my fellow man, and I do what I
can to help those who need help.

You care only about yourself.

You are the dictionary definition of conservatrash.



Here is an example from yesterday. I was downtown DC and happened to see
a Home Depot. I stopped in because I needed some hardware bits and
pieces for a project. It was very cold outside. The parking lot was full
of men looking for work, a shape up, as it were. Most of them were
Latinos. These guys, mostly illegals, I am sure, will do about honest in
the way of work to make enough to feed themselves and their families.
It's been cold for quite a while, and you could tell most of these guys
had not worked for a while. I had some cash on me and after talking to a
few of the guys, I simply handed what cash I had to four guys who said
they had had no work in two weeks.

I'm sure you would have walked right by them and muttered something
derogatory.


I think my name will be on the list.

But you...they'll bury you face down...because that is the way you are
going.



Did you offer them a ride on the lobsta' boat?

What horse****, Harry.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

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On Jan 25, 8:44*pm, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 25, 3:58 pm, Kippered wrote:





On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever..
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll
pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick
out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of
the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built
about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations..
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs.
When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none.
I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find
drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to
believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.

Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed :)

WOW! There's an idea!

Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.

Vista...$143.00

Vista frustration...Priceless.

I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Soooo, who is actually having problems with Vista here. We have it all
over the place here on dual boot systems, and friends are running it,
no one has jumped out a window yet (pardon the pun;). Anyway, anyone
here "running" vista actually had or having any problems cause my
expereince for basic home business and home computing has been fine?
Sorry if I did not read the bash threads, but any or you having
problems that you can report?

=========

Scott, it was just another Reggie/John troll *to try to stir up an argument.

They never used it. *They believe everything they read from folks having
problems with it because either they upgraded to it and their computer is
not designed to run it OR they are too stupid to figure out how to run it.

The computers in our house are running WinXP and I will not upgrade to VISTA
because they were not built to run that OS.

My son's laptop, however, was built to run VISTA and it runs flawlessly for
him.

Let the trolls go..............they are just trying to start an
argument........following Booger's MO.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jim, if you are trying to be the socially responsible one here and NOT
trying to pick fights, why the constant name calling?

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On Jan 25, 7:05*pm, hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:13:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:51:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:29:53 -0600, "Brad Darnell"
wrote:

What a joke why does the government seem to hate single people.
Because you are single.

Duh... * :)
Explain the marriage penalty Mr. Overlord sir.
I don't do details - I only set policy.

And my policy is to tax everybody within a inch of being bankrupt.

Keeps the masses in their place. *:)

What ticks me off is that they are giving people with children extra
money for each kid! *People with kids are already using more resources
than people without, they tax them at a lower rate (dependents), and
now they are giving them extra money for making a CHOICE! *If you
can't afford kids, don't have them. *And don't make me subsidize
stupid, poor people that do anyway.

*snerk * There's scum, and then there is conservatrash scum.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

wow, what an optimistic way to look at your brethren.

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hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:05:04 -0500, hk wrote:

JG2U wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:13:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:51:56 -0500, BAR wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:29:53 -0600, "Brad Darnell"
wrote:

What a joke why does the government seem to hate single people.
Because you are single.

Duh... :)
Explain the marriage penalty Mr. Overlord sir.
I don't do details - I only set policy.

And my policy is to tax everybody within a inch of being bankrupt.

Keeps the masses in their place. :)
What ticks me off is that they are giving people with children extra
money for each kid! People with kids are already using more resources
than people without, they tax them at a lower rate (dependents), and
now they are giving them extra money for making a CHOICE! If you
can't afford kids, don't have them. And don't make me subsidize
stupid, poor people that do anyway.

snerk There's scum, and then there is conservatrash scum.

It's not political. It's called personal responsibility. Look into
it.


One of the many attributes that distinguishes us is that I care about
people who are having a hard time making it in this world, and you
don't. I believe the words on the Statue of Liberty, and you don't. I
believe I am my brother's keeper, and you don't.

The difference between you and me is that you want to use other peoples
money to solve the problem rather than using your own. You believe that
your solutions to problems are the only viable solutions even after
decades of those solutions not yielding positive results. You believe
that it is more important to have your solutions succeed rather than to
let someone else try a their solution.

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JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in my
life.

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hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in my
life.

Just say no thank you and close the door or keep walking. I do it to
pan-handlers.

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hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in my
life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at the
door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first have to
listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you
and get on their way.

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On Jan 26, 2:43*pm, BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in my
life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at the
door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first have to
listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you
and get on their way.

Do the Mormons really do that? Quite frankly, I doubt it, and if so
there is a training problem or it was a rare incident. These kids who
save and work their whole lives and pay their own way to all parts of
the world are there to interact and work within the community. Some of
the elderly here know that they can call on these kids to help around
the yard, stack or chop wood, put on a roof... and if you really don't
want to hear doctrine, you don't have to. Careful now what you guess,
I am a Mormon;) Although in general, I don't like their company, but
that is another story...they are not who I worship...

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BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in
my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at the
door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first have to
listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you
and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the door
to door church people.

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On Jan 25, 8:44*pm, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 25, 3:58 pm, Kippered wrote:





On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever..
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll
pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick
out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of
the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built
about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations..
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs.
When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none.
I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find
drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to
believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.

Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed :)

WOW! There's an idea!

Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.

Vista...$143.00

Vista frustration...Priceless.

I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Soooo, who is actually having problems with Vista here. We have it all
over the place here on dual boot systems, and friends are running it,
no one has jumped out a window yet (pardon the pun;). Anyway, anyone
here "running" vista actually had or having any problems cause my
expereince for basic home business and home computing has been fine?
Sorry if I did not read the bash threads, but any or you having
problems that you can report?

=========

Scott, it was just another Reggie/John troll *to try to stir up an argument.

They never used it. *They believe everything they read from folks having
problems with it because either they upgraded to it and their computer is
not designed to run it OR they are too stupid to figure out how to run it.

The computers in our house are running WinXP and I will not upgrade to VISTA
because they were not built to run that OS.

My son's laptop, however, was built to run VISTA and it runs flawlessly for
him.

Let the trolls go..............they are just trying to start an
argument........following Booger's MO.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jim, if you are above that, why the childish name calling?

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On Jan 25, 8:14*pm, wrote:
On Jan 25, 3:58*pm, Kippered wrote:





On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever..
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. *And case advice too. *You need good case advice.

--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. *John said something about going inside and
messing with them. *If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. * If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations..
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

* * * * *John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? *It's hard to believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.

Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed :)

WOW! There's an idea!

Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.

Vista...$143.00

Vista frustration...Priceless.

I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

* * * * * John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Soooo, who is actually having problems with Vista here. We have it all
over the place here on dual boot systems, and friends are running it,
no one has jumped out a window yet (pardon the pun;). Anyway, anyone
here "running" vista actually had or having any problems cause my
expereince for basic home business and home computing has been fine?
Sorry if I did not read the bash threads, but any or you having
problems that you can report?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, Scott, go back to the 29 things to be happy about thread, you've
not shown me where I or the author said anything against Mormons.

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On Jan 25, 8:44 pm, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 25, 3:58 pm, Kippered wrote:





On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:
I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll
pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick
out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of
the
experts will offer it.
Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.
--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.
Is there more to it?
Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built
about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.
--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs.
When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none.
I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find
drivers
there either.
Any ideas?
Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****
John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to
believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.
Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?
Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.
Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.
Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed :)
WOW! There's an idea!
Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.
Vista...$143.00
Vista frustration...Priceless.
I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****
John H- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Soooo, who is actually having problems with Vista here. We have it all
over the place here on dual boot systems, and friends are running it,
no one has jumped out a window yet (pardon the pun;). Anyway, anyone
here "running" vista actually had or having any problems cause my
expereince for basic home business and home computing has been fine?
Sorry if I did not read the bash threads, but any or you having
problems that you can report?

=========

Scott, it was just another Reggie/John troll to try to stir up an argument.

They never used it. They believe everything they read from folks having
problems with it because either they upgraded to it and their computer is
not designed to run it OR they are too stupid to figure out how to run it.

The computers in our house are running WinXP and I will not upgrade to VISTA
because they were not built to run that OS.

My son's laptop, however, was built to run VISTA and it runs flawlessly for
him.

Let the trolls go..............they are just trying to start an
argument........following Booger's MO.- Hide quoted text -



I'm not having any trouble with VISTA. I did have some problems
downloading and installing a *BETA* service pack. The issue was
investigated by MS, and it has been resolved.

As for Looger/Booger,well, he's an idiot.

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hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in
my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at the
door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first have to
listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you
and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the door
to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the President of
the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your door with the
intent on converting you to his religion?

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BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in
my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at
the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first
have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not
thank you and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the door
to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the President of
the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your door with the
intent on converting you to his religion?


Neither of those events concern me.

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hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself
in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at
the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first
have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not
thank you and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the President
of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your door with the
intent on converting you to his religion?


Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?

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BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need
it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself
in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at
the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first
have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say
not thank you and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the President
of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your door with the
intent on converting you to his religion?


Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?



There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.

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hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national
and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself
in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at
the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first
have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say
not thank you and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?


Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?



There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.

Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?

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On Jan 26, 4:18*pm, wrote:
On Jan 25, 8:14*pm, wrote:





On Jan 25, 3:58*pm, Kippered wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. *And case advice too. *You need good case advice.

--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. *John said something about going inside and
messing with them. *If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. * If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs.. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

* * * * *John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? *It's hard to believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.

Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed :)

WOW! There's an idea!

Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.

Vista...$143.00

Vista frustration...Priceless.

I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

* * * * * John H- Hide quoted text -

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Soooo, who is actually having problems with Vista here. We have it all
over the place here on dual boot systems, and friends are running it,
no one has jumped out a window yet (pardon the pun;). Anyway, anyone
here "running" vista actually had or having any problems cause my
expereince for basic home business and home computing has been fine?
Sorry if I did not read the bash threads, but any or you having
problems that you can report?- Hide quoted text -

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Hey, Scott, go back to the 29 things to be happy about thread, you've
not shown me where I or the author said anything against Mormons.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, maybey I am too sensitive...

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BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?


Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?



There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.

Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?


Let's see if you have any smarts...

I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when "life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.

Got it now?

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On Jan 26, 5:16*pm, hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.

You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?

Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?

There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.

Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?

Let's see if you have any smarts...

I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when "life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.

Got it now?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, it is more about political agenda than compassion or logic... I
get it...

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:16:44 -0500, hk wrote:

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?


Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?



There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.

Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?


Let's see if you have any smarts...

I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when "life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.

Got it now?



"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Self-obsessed Hypocrite]

That's good, but Pro Life is bad. Right?
--
John H

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On Jan 26, 5:31*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:16 pm, hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.
I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.
Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.
You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.
Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?
Neither of those events concern me.
Ok, what specific events concern you?
There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.
Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?
Let's see if you have any smarts...

I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when "life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.

Got it now?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, it is more about political agenda than compassion or logic... I
get it...

* No, you don't get it, either. In the examples I have given, people of
a *certain belief are trying to shove their sect's religious doctrine on
others. It has nothing to do with compassion and it certainly has
nothing to do with logic.- Hide quoted text -

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So tell us well heeled son, who has shoved religeon down your throat,
and what did it take to stop them? I mean, Vonage and Free Credit
Report.com try to give me a message every day, I don't mind, I just
don't pay attention. Have you ever been refused anything because you
were not willing to listen?