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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:18:04 -0500, hk
wrote:

While I
do expect this country to collapse into class warfare, I don't
believe
it will happen in my lifetime, though I think the time is getting
closer
as the gap between the "haves" and "have nots" widens.
I'll tell you what - if the Clinton's don't start a race war,
Obama
will start a class war.

Watch and see.
Ol' Bill is caught between a rock and a hard place. He and his
sidekick are showing their true colors.

Eisboch
What? That they won't roll over and play kissyface and holdyhand
with the Saudis while Cheney et al rob the country blind?
I'll bet he's referring to the C's campaign tactics.
No one in politics is smarter or tougher than the Clintons. I like the
Clintons and the Obamas, but I think Obama has gotten pretty much of a
free ride to date, even when he flings one at Hillary. One of the
reasons why Hillary so infuriates the Republicans is that she has more
balls than any of them.
No wonder Bill looks elsewhere.

Whatever.

I'm enjoying the GOP race a lot more. What a pack of losers. It's going
to be fun watching the GOP winner be eviscerated. On that possibility
alone, my pick would be Romney the Flipper or Huckabee, the man from
Jesus.



You'd better hope neither of those guys wins the GOP nomination.


Romney or Huckabee?

Both of them will be easy to beat. Romney is an empty suit, and has
flipped on more issues than the cook at IHOP has flipped pancakes.
Huckabee has a bit too much Jesus in him to be elected.


We have a combination of those qualities in the White House right now. The
same toads that voted for that mindless slob will vote for Romney or
Huckabee. You know that. Do you think the 54% has suddenly grown a brain and
a sense of patriotism? Of course not.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:06:02 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:24:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:18:04 -0500, hk wrote:

While I
do expect this country to collapse into class warfare, I don't believe
it will happen in my lifetime, though I think the time is getting closer
as the gap between the "haves" and "have nots" widens.
I'll tell you what - if the Clinton's don't start a race war, Obama
will start a class war.

Watch and see.
Ol' Bill is caught between a rock and a hard place. He and his sidekick are
showing their true colors.

It's becoming more and more apparent that Hillary is just the front
for another Bill Clinton Presidency.

Obama is going to beat her for the nomination, but it's going to get
really nasty - and Hillary does nasty very well.

Did you see the "Stare of Death" in the SC debate. I thought she was
going to have a stroke or break out in tears.

I like Obama, and he is the best the Dem's have.

I saw him on CNBC along with Romney this morning - I like his demeanor
and his message. Jack Welsh was a guest host and put Obama and Romney
through some touch questions - Obama handled them well. I don't agree
with him on some things obviously, but he did very well.

Unfortunately, I don't think he really has a clue, but he does have
some very high power advisors so maybe it will work out.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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"hk" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:18:04 -0500, hk
wrote:

While I
do expect this country to collapse into class warfare, I don't
believe
it will happen in my lifetime, though I think the time is getting
closer
as the gap between the "haves" and "have nots" widens.
I'll tell you what - if the Clinton's don't start a race war,
Obama
will start a class war.

Watch and see.
Ol' Bill is caught between a rock and a hard place. He and his
sidekick are showing their true colors.

Eisboch
What? That they won't roll over and play kissyface and holdyhand
with the Saudis while Cheney et al rob the country blind?
I'll bet he's referring to the C's campaign tactics.
No one in politics is smarter or tougher than the Clintons. I like the
Clintons and the Obamas, but I think Obama has gotten pretty much of a
free ride to date, even when he flings one at Hillary. One of the
reasons why Hillary so infuriates the Republicans is that she has more
balls than any of them.
No wonder Bill looks elsewhere.
Whatever.

I'm enjoying the GOP race a lot more. What a pack of losers. It's going
to be fun watching the GOP winner be eviscerated. On that possibility
alone, my pick would be Romney the Flipper or Huckabee, the man from
Jesus.


You'd better hope neither of those guys wins the GOP nomination.

Romney or Huckabee?

Both of them will be easy to beat. Romney is an empty suit, and has
flipped on more issues than the cook at IHOP has flipped pancakes.
Huckabee has a bit too much Jesus in him to be elected.


We have a combination of those qualities in the White House right now. The
same toads that voted for that mindless slob will vote for Romney or
Huckabee. You know that. Do you think the 54% has suddenly grown a brain and
a sense of patriotism? Of course not.




I think the GOP base will get out and vote for its candidate, no matter
how incompetent. The Dems will vote en masse for either Hillary or
Barack, and so will the majority of independents. Whichever party
motivates its base to vote and also captures the majority of Indys wins
the White House this fall.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:25:39 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 23, 3:33*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Jan 23, 2:54 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:





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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:28:31 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:59:44 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

Actually it's I-94 and Wisconsin 50, just a couple of miles north of
the
border. I haven't been there in probably 25 years but we started
eating
there in the '60s. Hwy 50 is the route we took to Camp Lake where we
had
a
home on the lake.

Just for fun I Goggled it, low and behold, it's still there after 46
years.

Three things I miss since leaving Chicago area are brats, good pizza
and
Italian beef sandwiches.

http://www.bratstop.com/contact.htm

If you do stop there, have a couple for me.

Thanks, I saved it. You've given me the idea to go to Kenosha
and maybe visit the waterfront. Real quick trip compared to going out
on I-90 to see farms.
You got that right about pizza and Italian beef. I hardly ate brats
until I moved to the suburbs. 'Cause I can't find decent pizza or
Italian beef nearby!

A couple of years ago my 90 year old Aunt in Arlington Hts became
terminally
ill. My brother, from Michigan and I both traveled there to be with her
as
she had no other family. The three weeks I was there much of our dining
was
on pizza and Italian beef. When I arrived home in Florida I jumped on
the
scale only to find I had gained 13 pounds.

Haven't found a decent pizza joint here. There have been a couple of
places
that opened and served pretty good Chicago style Italian beef but
neither
of
them lasted very long.

When I first moved to Florida I walked into a "Italian" pizza restaurant
and
ordered an Italian beef to go. They looked at me like I just fell out of
tree, they had never heard of such a thing. I didn't realize it's a
thing
pretty much unique to Chicago.

Yep.

Another "thing" is ordering pickle on your hot dog. Nice big fat
slice of pickle. And real mustard, not the crap mustard most hot dog
places have. Properly chunked spanish onions.

mmmmmm.....

You forgot the celery salt and tomato and sweet pickle relish and poppy
seed
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There's plenty of authentic ethnic foods in Florida. It's a whole
industry catering to snowbirds.

I don't know what type of ethnic food you are referring to, but other than
Latin *food stuffs in South Florida I haven't found a wide variety in my
time here. * I'm referring to the raw material to prepare for yourself at
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Uh, Florida is one of the largest beef cattle producing states there
is, for one thing. So if you can't get good beef there, I don't know
where you'd get it!

Here's a good place:
http://www.wrightsgourmet.com/Menus/Menus.asp

Toojay's is pretty decent too.

in Dunedin, FL is a great Italian beef place at Tampa Road and U.S.
Hwy 19. It's called Hott Dogg Heaven of all things, but has great
Chicago style dogs and Italian Beef

It sounds like you aren't in the Tampa area, but if you ever get up
there, there's some suggestions for you to try!

'Scuse me for buttin' in.

The catfish place I was talking about in Columbus was 'Pritchett's
Kitchen'. It came to me today.
--
Red Herring

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:41:41 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


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On Jan 23, 3:33 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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There's plenty of authentic ethnic foods in Florida. It's a whole
industry catering to snowbirds.
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I don't know what type of ethnic food you are referring to, but other than
Latin food stuffs in South Florida I haven't found a wide variety in my
time here. I'm referring to the raw material to prepare for yourself at
home.- Hide quoted text -

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Uh, Florida is one of the largest beef cattle producing states there
is, for one thing. So if you can't get good beef there, I don't know
where you'd get it!

Here's a good place:
http://www.wrightsgourmet.com/Menus/Menus.asp

=======================

Did you favor the grilled cheese or PB&J sandwich at Wrights Deli?

BTW: How do they "produce" beef cattle in Florida?


Same way they do it in Kansas.
--
Red Herring

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:50:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:24:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:18:04 -0500, hk wrote:

While I
do expect this country to collapse into class warfare, I don't believe
it will happen in my lifetime, though I think the time is getting closer
as the gap between the "haves" and "have nots" widens.

I'll tell you what - if the Clinton's don't start a race war, Obama
will start a class war.

Watch and see.

Ol' Bill is caught between a rock and a hard place. He and his sidekick are
showing their true colors.

It's becoming more and more apparent that Hillary is just the front
for another Bill Clinton Presidency.

Obama is going to beat her for the nomination, but it's going to get
really nasty - and Hillary does nasty very well.

I don't think Obama will beat her. I think Obama will win SC with a large
black vote which will turn the contest into a race issue. Once that happens
there may well be a big backlash for Hillary.
--
Red Herring

hk wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:22:00 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:34:38 -0500, hk
wrote:

Gold has a bit of history as a valuable item. Beads, too. Paper?
No thanks.
You should own a bag or two of silver coins if you are looking for
hard money. It is hard to make change for a Krugerrand when you are
buying groceries
While gold and silver can be a valuable hedge against inflation or
a server recession and/or depression, it would have no value if
there was a complete breakdown in government and society. Barter
for real goods and services would be the new coin. Gold only has
value if people believe it has value, the same as with our paper
money.

Whoa. You're saying my VISA card won't work. Even the platinum?
Oh ****.

--Vic

Gold has been highly valued for thousands of years. If there is a
general collapse, it will be something easily traded for valuable
goods and services.


What's the smallest denomination you can buy these days?


I have no idea. I just buy Krugerrands and Canadian Maple Leafs in the
one troy ounce of gold size, but I think you can buy Krugerrands in
1/10th ounce and other sizes. The Maple Leafs are "purer," if you will.
Both are recognized and accepted anywhere. The face value is not really
relevant, just the weight in troy ounces. I started "collecting" them in
1992, when they became "legal" again.

Try www.monex.com if you want to learn a bit about gold, silver and
other "valuable" metal coins.

How many of these gold coins are you going to use to acquire a sack of
potatoes?

hk wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:22:00 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:34:38 -0500, hk
wrote:

Gold has a bit of history as a valuable item. Beads, too. Paper?
No thanks.
You should own a bag or two of silver coins if you are looking for
hard money. It is hard to make change for a Krugerrand when you are
buying groceries
While gold and silver can be a valuable hedge against inflation
or a server recession and/or depression, it would have no value
if there was a complete breakdown in government and society.
Barter for real goods and services would be the new coin. Gold
only has value if people believe it has value, the same as with
our paper money.

Whoa. You're saying my VISA card won't work. Even the platinum?
Oh ****.

--Vic
Gold has been highly valued for thousands of years. If there is a
general collapse, it will be something easily traded for valuable
goods and services.

What's the smallest denomination you can buy these days?
I have no idea. I just buy Krugerrands and Canadian Maple Leafs in
the one troy ounce of gold size, but I think you can buy Krugerrands
in 1/10th ounce and other sizes. The Maple Leafs are "purer," if you
will. Both are recognized and accepted anywhere. The face value is
not really relevant, just the weight in troy ounces. I started
"collecting" them in 1992, when they became "legal" again.

Try www.monex.com if you want to learn a bit about gold, silver and
other "valuable" metal coins.


Never mind.


You ask a question about coin denominations, I tell you a spot where you
can find some answers, and your response is "never mind"? Curious.


For once the rest of us understood Doug.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
hk wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:22:00 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:34:38 -0500, hk
wrote:

Gold has a bit of history as a valuable item. Beads, too. Paper?
No thanks.
You should own a bag or two of silver coins if you are looking for
hard money. It is hard to make change for a Krugerrand when you
are
buying groceries
While gold and silver can be a valuable hedge against inflation
or a server recession and/or depression, it would have no value
if there was a complete breakdown in government and society.
Barter for real goods and services would be the new coin. Gold
only has value if people believe it has value, the same as with
our paper money.

Whoa. You're saying my VISA card won't work. Even the platinum?
Oh ****.

--Vic
Gold has been highly valued for thousands of years. If there is a
general collapse, it will be something easily traded for valuable
goods and services.

What's the smallest denomination you can buy these days?
I have no idea. I just buy Krugerrands and Canadian Maple Leafs in
the one troy ounce of gold size, but I think you can buy Krugerrands
in 1/10th ounce and other sizes. The Maple Leafs are "purer," if you
will. Both are recognized and accepted anywhere. The face value is
not really relevant, just the weight in troy ounces. I started
"collecting" them in 1992, when they became "legal" again.

Try www.monex.com if you want to learn a bit about gold, silver and
other "valuable" metal coins.


Never mind.


You ask a question about coin denominations, I tell you a spot where
you can find some answers, and your response is "never mind"? Curious.


Harry,
He was making a joke about the concept of trading using gold when our
society collapses. You are so into this survivalist concept it went
over your head.


Might explain Harry's hanging with the Shenandoah Survivalist Battalion,
one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer.

hk wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:07:09 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

If people were stranded in some remote location without food, water,
and shelter, a mountain of gold would serve no more purpose than so
much sand. It would have no price. Gold has no intrinsic value."

I have heard it summed up as "Gold, ammo and MREs"


I had an itch on my right butt cheek earlier. I should have known Reggie
was back there, angling for a sniff.

I think that was Don.