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A question about radio, sound, "wave length" etc.
On Jan 16, 9:17 pm, "Jim" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message .. . The definition of peak to peak must have changed since I was in A school. I was taught that positive peak to negative peak or negative peak to positive peak shal be called peak to peak. (Neener Neener) Sure. I don't disagree. Usually the term "peak to peak" relates to amplitude measurements. But, a positive peak to the next negative peak is 180 degrees if you are looking for frequency over a time period. A positive peak to the next positive peak is 360 degrees. Or negative to the next negative. Or any other point to the next repeating point on the waveform. Eisboch 360 degrees= 1 cycle is the description I was looking for. Quit trying to confuse me with facts. Check tonights Tampa news videos. OK, for radio waves, there are several straightforward ways to directly measure wavelength instead of calculating it from frequency. The easiest is with a waveguide with a variable end. This is simply a metal tube whose diameter is roughly the wavelength. You adjust the length of the tube (it should have a sliding metal end) till a electric field prob in the center measures a maximum indicating that your wave terminates at the end. Then you move he slide in and you will find another position where you have a maximum. The distance you have moved the slide is the wavelngth. The electrical engineers here can tell you how this relates to SWR etc and all about Smith Charts but this is a very straightforward physical measurement. You can also use two vertical antennas each emitting a sin wave of exactly identical in phase signal. When the two antennas are exactly one half wavelength apart, you will see a maximum signal along a line that passes exactly betwen the two antennas. For visible light, one uses a device called an interferometer to directly measure the wavelngth. Because such devices are so sensitive to movement, they are often used to align extremely precise equipment. For x-rays, one uses crystals where the wavlength is given by wavelength=2dsin(q) where 2d is the crystal spacing and q is the reflection angle (I do this every day) For sound waves, I would use a tube with a variable slider so the tube would resonate with teh applied sound when the slider is set to the correct length corresponding to the wavelngth. |
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A question about radio, sound, "wave length" etc.
wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:23:20 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: Actually is 180 degrees for a peak to peak on a sign wave. But for frequency, it is point to same point on the next wave. You could measure it anywhere on the wave. But Positive peak to Positive peak or Negative peak to Negative Peak or + or - zero crossing all work. Frequency = 1/ time. Wave length = speed of wave / frequency. This will work for sound at about 1126 ft/ second or 300 m/s for radio. What's the matter Bill? Didn't the website you Googled know how to spell sine? Bwhahahahahahaha! Me bad. Especially for misspelling sine. I know all that stuff. My degree is in Electronic engineering. As well as the fact I worked on repairing Radar and Instrument landing systems and nav aids in the Air force. As well as part of my patent includes Sine Square + Cosine Square = 1. If I had googled it, I would have spelt Sine correctly. |
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A question about radio, sound, "wave length" etc.
"Jim" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... The definition of peak to peak must have changed since I was in A school. I was taught that positive peak to negative peak or negative peak to positive peak shal be called peak to peak. (Neener Neener) Sure. I don't disagree. Usually the term "peak to peak" relates to amplitude measurements. But, a positive peak to the next negative peak is 180 degrees if you are looking for frequency over a time period. A positive peak to the next positive peak is 360 degrees. Or negative to the next negative. Or any other point to the next repeating point on the waveform. Eisboch 360 degrees= 1 cycle is the description I was looking for. Quit trying to confuse me with facts. Check tonights Tampa news videos. Actually may not be 360 degrees. What if it is a square wave? |
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A question about radio, sound, "wave length" etc.
wrote in message ... On Jan 16, 9:17 pm, "Jim" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message .. . The definition of peak to peak must have changed since I was in A school. I was taught that positive peak to negative peak or negative peak to positive peak shal be called peak to peak. (Neener Neener) Sure. I don't disagree. Usually the term "peak to peak" relates to amplitude measurements. But, a positive peak to the next negative peak is 180 degrees if you are looking for frequency over a time period. A positive peak to the next positive peak is 360 degrees. Or negative to the next negative. Or any other point to the next repeating point on the waveform. Eisboch 360 degrees= 1 cycle is the description I was looking for. Quit trying to confuse me with facts. Check tonights Tampa news videos. OK, for radio waves, there are several straightforward ways to directly measure wavelength instead of calculating it from frequency. The easiest is with a waveguide with a variable end. This is simply a metal tube whose diameter is roughly the wavelength. You adjust the length of the tube (it should have a sliding metal end) till a electric field prob in the center measures a maximum indicating that your wave terminates at the end. Then you move he slide in and you will find another position where you have a maximum. The distance you have moved the slide is the wavelngth. The electrical engineers here can tell you how this relates to SWR etc and all about Smith Charts but this is a very straightforward physical measurement. You can also use two vertical antennas each emitting a sin wave of exactly identical in phase signal. When the two antennas are exactly one half wavelength apart, you will see a maximum signal along a line that passes exactly betwen the two antennas. For visible light, one uses a device called an interferometer to directly measure the wavelngth. Because such devices are so sensitive to movement, they are often used to align extremely precise equipment. For x-rays, one uses crystals where the wavlength is given by wavelength=2dsin(q) where 2d is the crystal spacing and q is the reflection angle (I do this every day) For sound waves, I would use a tube with a variable slider so the tube would resonate with teh applied sound when the slider is set to the correct length corresponding to the wavelngth. Similar to how a CD works. The distance from the laser to the reflective backing is very close to the wave length. So when it reflects back to the detector you get a dark spot. |
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A question about radio, sound, "wave length" etc.
"CalifBill" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... The definition of peak to peak must have changed since I was in A school. I was taught that positive peak to negative peak or negative peak to positive peak shal be called peak to peak. (Neener Neener) Sure. I don't disagree. Usually the term "peak to peak" relates to amplitude measurements. But, a positive peak to the next negative peak is 180 degrees if you are looking for frequency over a time period. A positive peak to the next positive peak is 360 degrees. Or negative to the next negative. Or any other point to the next repeating point on the waveform. Eisboch 360 degrees= 1 cycle is the description I was looking for. Quit trying to confuse me with facts. Check tonights Tampa news videos. Actually may not be 360 degrees. What if it is a square wave? You mean like a pulse train with unequal pulse lengths? I don't know. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:44:04 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote: "Jim" wrote in message .. . "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... The definition of peak to peak must have changed since I was in A school. I was taught that positive peak to negative peak or negative peak to positive peak shal be called peak to peak. (Neener Neener) Sure. I don't disagree. Usually the term "peak to peak" relates to amplitude measurements. But, a positive peak to the next negative peak is 180 degrees if you are looking for frequency over a time period. A positive peak to the next positive peak is 360 degrees. Or negative to the next negative. Or any other point to the next repeating point on the waveform. Eisboch 360 degrees= 1 cycle is the description I was looking for. Quit trying to confuse me with facts. Check tonights Tampa news videos. Actually may not be 360 degrees. What if it is a square wave? The same way. |
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A question about radio, sound, "wave length" etc.
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:27:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"CalifBill" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... The definition of peak to peak must have changed since I was in A school. I was taught that positive peak to negative peak or negative peak to positive peak shal be called peak to peak. (Neener Neener) Sure. I don't disagree. Usually the term "peak to peak" relates to amplitude measurements. But, a positive peak to the next negative peak is 180 degrees if you are looking for frequency over a time period. A positive peak to the next positive peak is 360 degrees. Or negative to the next negative. Or any other point to the next repeating point on the waveform. Eisboch 360 degrees= 1 cycle is the description I was looking for. Quit trying to confuse me with facts. Check tonights Tampa news videos. Actually may not be 360 degrees. What if it is a square wave? You mean like a pulse train with unequal pulse lengths? I don't know. Thanks. Now I have to go dig out the books. :) |
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A question about radio, sound, "wave length" etc.
"CalifBill" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... The definition of peak to peak must have changed since I was in A school. I was taught that positive peak to negative peak or negative peak to positive peak shal be called peak to peak. (Neener Neener) Sure. I don't disagree. Usually the term "peak to peak" relates to amplitude measurements. But, a positive peak to the next negative peak is 180 degrees if you are looking for frequency over a time period. A positive peak to the next positive peak is 360 degrees. Or negative to the next negative. Or any other point to the next repeating point on the waveform. Eisboch 360 degrees= 1 cycle is the description I was looking for. Quit trying to confuse me with facts. Check tonights Tampa news videos. Actually may not be 360 degrees. What if it is a square wave? In that case you would probably be talking PRR. This discussion is starting to get over my head so I'll bow out and let you engineers have at it. |
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