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On Jan 12, 7:47*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in messagenews:RICdnV6WttIWxhTanZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comca st.com... Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. And *that's* where you are dead wrong. Eisboch Eisbhoch, Doug learned what he knows about harassing the religious from Harry. Isn't it amazing that those who demand freedom of choice are the most critical of those who exercise that choice. Eisboch Amen ;) Another way of looking at it: Why are folks that don't beleive in God... so afraid of him? SI 2002 ;) |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. And *that's* where you are dead wrong. Eisboch Eisbhoch, Doug learned what he knows about harassing the religious from Harry. Isn't it amazing that those who demand freedom of choice are the most critical of those who exercise that choice. Eisboch I don't give a damn what religion an individual practices so long as he or she doesn't try to shove it on me or my religiously neutral society, or, for example, to use that religion as an excuse to stand in the way of science or medical research, procedures, or practices. That's as true for "Christians" as it is for Muslims. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. And *that's* where you are dead wrong. Eisboch Eisbhoch, Doug learned what he knows about harassing the religious from Harry. Isn't it amazing that those who demand freedom of choice are the most critical of those who exercise that choice. Eisboch You never witnessed me preventing anyone from exercising free choice. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:56:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... Mrs H got an almost free MS Office Enterprise 2007 from her job. We've not had any problems with Office 2000. Running XP. Would you install or not install? -- John H Considering your skill level, I wouldn't do anything to YOUR computer unless you need to solve a clear problem. Every new product, especially from MS, carries new risks. Leave it alone. Well, I'm sure not as proficient as you, Jimh, and Harry. You guys definitely know most of what there is to know about computers! -- John H Here are two examples of things that would drive you to drink even more than you already do: Install problems plague Office 2007 SP1 On Patch Tuesday this month, Dec. 11, the arrival of Service Pack 1 for Office 2007 was confusing to many people. I haven't yet found any Patch Watch readers whose machines automatically installed SP1. But many people inadvertently installed it and thought it had been auto-installed, because Vista offers SP1 as an optional patch and it's prechecked, so it's easy to miss the fact that you're approving SP1's installation. Some people who have the OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) or Home/Student versions of Office 2007 are finding that they get a cryptic 78F error when they try to install SP1. It appears that the cure for this requires that you uninstall Office and then reinstall it. As one newsgroup poster pointed out in a forum post, that works only when you have an install disc. If you don't, you'll need to contact the OEM manufacturer for a replacement. Office 2003 SP3 hurts Access, old file formats If you've decided to spend time installing all the latest service packs this holiday season, Office 2003 SP3 is something you should consider - as long as you don't have an Access 2003 database. Access developers are still recommending that you hold back before installing SP3 for Office 2003. For the rest of you, if you've already installed SP3 and you find you can't open older versions of files in Word and Excel, a documented Registry edit can allow you to use those files once again. Microsoft's Knowledge Base article 938810, which describes this workaround, is a bit tricky. For this reason, I built a file that makes the necessary Registry changes for you. It's posted on a blog page from which you can download a .zip file that contains officefix.reg. Right-click this file, then click Merge to make the changes to your Registry. Why would Herring need Orifice 2007? Why would you? |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. And *that's* where you are dead wrong. Eisboch Eisbhoch, Doug learned what he knows about harassing the religious from Harry. Isn't it amazing that those who demand freedom of choice are the most critical of those who exercise that choice. Eisboch It seems to me that they are upset because someone is able to receive strenth from something they don't understand. They make it their mission to try to destroy someone's beliefs. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
... Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. And *that's* where you are dead wrong. Eisboch Eisbhoch, Doug learned what he knows about harassing the religious from Harry. Isn't it amazing that those who demand freedom of choice are the most critical of those who exercise that choice. Eisboch It seems to me that they are upset because someone is able to receive strenth from something they don't understand. They make it their mission to try to destroy someone's beliefs. Not really. When it comes to helping someone with a computer problem, I don't want to share the credit with anyone else. |
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"-rick-" wrote in message . .. wrote: Another way of looking at it: Why are folks that don't beleive in God... so afraid of him? Are you afraid of Zeus? Zeus who? ;- |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:34:19 -0500, "Jim"
wrote: "-rick-" wrote in message ... wrote: Another way of looking at it: Why are folks that don't beleive in God... so afraid of him? Are you afraid of Zeus? Zeus who? ;- Dr. Suess? Oh wait, sorry - wrong Zeus. One of the guys on the Fire Department when I was active was Zeus something unpronouncable Greek sir name. We used to call him Z - it was easier. :) |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:11:57 GMT, "Canuck57"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . Mrs H got an almost free MS Office Enterprise 2007 from her job. We've not had any problems with Office 2000. Running XP. Would you install or not install? -- John H I would guess it is best not too unless you have a clear need for it. I cite 3 reasons. 1) Your friends you might mail docs to don't have 2007, the new format 2) It saves the files in the new format, there is not an easy way to turn back 3) If you don't like it, not good. Stick with what works. Thanks. -- John H |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:18:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:56:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. After all, you were endowed by your Creator with that right! -- John H Question for you: Sometimes, people say "a loving god". Do you feel those words belong together? You're the first I've seen write that. -- John H Actually, I believe you. One who was not anti-God would capitalize a proper noun. QED -- John H |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:08:35 -0500, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. And *that's* where you are dead wrong. Eisboch Eisbhoch, Doug learned what he knows about harassing the religious from Harry. Isn't it amazing that those who demand freedom of choice are the most critical of those who exercise that choice. Eisboch I don't give a damn what religion an individual practices so long as he or she doesn't try to shove it on me or my religiously neutral society, or, for example, to use that religion as an excuse to stand in the way of science or medical research, procedures, or practices. That's as true for "Christians" as it is for Muslims. Uh, Harry...in case you've not noticed, the number of people who give a **** about your desires is dwindling rapidly. -- John H |
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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. And *that's* where you are dead wrong. Eisboch Eisbhoch, Doug learned what he knows about harassing the religious from Harry. Isn't it amazing that those who demand freedom of choice are the most critical of those who exercise that choice. Eisboch I don't give a damn what religion an individual practices so long as he or she doesn't try to shove it on me or my religiously neutral society, or, for example, to use that religion as an excuse to stand in the way of science or medical research, procedures, or practices. That's as true for "Christians" as it is for Muslims. Pay for your own abortions. |
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John H. wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:08:35 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. And *that's* where you are dead wrong. Eisboch Eisbhoch, Doug learned what he knows about harassing the religious from Harry. Isn't it amazing that those who demand freedom of choice are the most critical of those who exercise that choice. Eisboch I don't give a damn what religion an individual practices so long as he or she doesn't try to shove it on me or my religiously neutral society, or, for example, to use that religion as an excuse to stand in the way of science or medical research, procedures, or practices. That's as true for "Christians" as it is for Muslims. Uh, Harry...in case you've not noticed, the number of people who give a **** about your desires is dwindling rapidly. A very important thing to note, is NO ONE in this thread was trying to force their beliefs on anyone else. Someone made an off handed comment about "Thank God", and the anti-god individuals jumped all over it. I have no problems with any of the major religions, nor do I have a problem with someone being an atheist or agnostic, but recently they seem to be as forceful (or more forceful) in their Anti-God preaching as a Jehovah's Witnesses selling their version of God after waking you up at 8 am on a Saturday. Why are they so antisocial? Maybe they do need some God in their life. |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:01:05 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:08:35 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. And *that's* where you are dead wrong. Eisboch Eisbhoch, Doug learned what he knows about harassing the religious from Harry. Isn't it amazing that those who demand freedom of choice are the most critical of those who exercise that choice. Eisboch I don't give a damn what religion an individual practices so long as he or she doesn't try to shove it on me or my religiously neutral society, or, for example, to use that religion as an excuse to stand in the way of science or medical research, procedures, or practices. That's as true for "Christians" as it is for Muslims. Uh, Harry...in case you've not noticed, the number of people who give a **** about your desires is dwindling rapidly. A very important thing to note, is NO ONE in this thread was trying to force their beliefs on anyone else. Someone made an off handed comment about "Thank God", and the anti-god individuals jumped all over it. I have no problems with any of the major religions, nor do I have a problem with someone being an atheist or agnostic, but recently they seem to be as forceful (or more forceful) in their Anti-God preaching as a Jehovah's Witnesses selling their version of God after waking you up at 8 am on a Saturday. Why are they so antisocial? Maybe they do need some God in their life. The two guys here who do most of the anti-religion preaching are the same two guys who put down *anything* that others may own, build, or be capable of doing. To me it's envy, pure and simple. They can't stand the satisfaction others may get from their assets, whether those be abilities, possessions, or simply the satisfaction they may get from their religious beliefs. I'm not unwavering in my beliefs. But, like you I respect the fact that others may have their own. -- John H |
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"John H." wrote in message
... On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:18:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:56:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message m... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. After all, you were endowed by your Creator with that right! -- John H Question for you: Sometimes, people say "a loving god". Do you feel those words belong together? You're the first I've seen write that. -- John H Actually, I believe you. One who was not anti-God would capitalize a proper noun. QED -- John H I'm anti-sweet pickles, so I don't capitalize them, either. |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:23:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:18:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:56:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message om... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. After all, you were endowed by your Creator with that right! -- John H Question for you: Sometimes, people say "a loving god". Do you feel those words belong together? You're the first I've seen write that. -- John H Actually, I believe you. One who was not anti-God would capitalize a proper noun. QED -- John H I'm anti-sweet pickles, so I don't capitalize them, either. Glad that's clarified. Now go stand in front of your mirror and admire your perfection. Just remember the Creator who endowed you with same. -- John H |
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"John H." wrote in message
... On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:23:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:18:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message m... On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:56:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message news:qmdio3t57l9ho8bcjh2dirnfmgqc2nfdop@4ax. com... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. After all, you were endowed by your Creator with that right! -- John H Question for you: Sometimes, people say "a loving god". Do you feel those words belong together? You're the first I've seen write that. -- John H Actually, I believe you. One who was not anti-God would capitalize a proper noun. QED -- John H I'm anti-sweet pickles, so I don't capitalize them, either. Glad that's clarified. Now go stand in front of your mirror and admire your perfection. Just remember the Creator who endowed you with same. -- John H Nah....I credit my barber with that as of yesterday. |
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John H. wrote:
Why are they so antisocial? Maybe they do need some God in their life. The two guys here who do most of the anti-religion preaching are the same two guys who put down *anything* that others may own, build, or be capable of doing. To me it's envy, pure and simple. They can't stand the satisfaction others may get from their assets, whether those be abilities, possessions, or simply the satisfaction they may get from their religious beliefs. I'm not unwavering in my beliefs. But, like you I respect the fact that others may have their own. I do expect JimH to jump on the anti-god movement. He is so used to repeating whatever Harry says he has given up thinking on his own. |
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On Jan 13, 10:14*am, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:01:05 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:08:35 -0500, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message news:RICdnV6WttIWxhTanZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast. com... Eisboch wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... He can think what he wants to think. But, I reserve the right to harrass him, just for sport. And *that's* where you are dead wrong. Eisboch Eisbhoch, Doug learned what he knows about harassing the religious from Harry. Isn't it amazing that those who demand freedom of choice are the most critical of those who exercise that choice. Eisboch I don't give a damn what religion an individual practices so long as he or she doesn't try to shove it on me or my religiously neutral society, or, for example, to use that religion as an excuse to stand in the way of science or medical research, procedures, or practices. That's as true for "Christians" as it is for Muslims. Uh, Harry...in case you've not noticed, the number of people who give a **** about your desires is dwindling rapidly. A very important thing to note, is NO ONE in this thread was trying to force their beliefs on anyone else. *Someone made an off handed comment about "Thank God", and the anti-god individuals jumped all over it. I have no problems with any of the major religions, nor do I have a problem with someone being an atheist or agnostic, but recently they seem to be as forceful (or more forceful) in their Anti-God preaching as a Jehovah's Witnesses selling their version of God after waking you up at 8 am on a Saturday. Why are they so antisocial? *Maybe they do need some God in their life. The two guys here who do most of the anti-religion preaching are the same two guys who put down *anything* that others may own, build, or be capable of doing. To me it's envy, pure and simple. They can't stand the satisfaction others may get from their assets, whether those be abilities, possessions, or simply the satisfaction they may get from their religious beliefs. I'm not unwavering in my beliefs. But, like you I respect the fact that others may have their own. -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't care for someone's religion to be shoved down my throat, but I didn't see that in this thread. And I wholeheartedly agree with your statements about a couple of people here "who put down *anything* that others may own, build, or be capable of doing." It is nothing but pure jealousy. |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:36:34 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote: John H. wrote: Why are they so antisocial? Maybe they do need some God in their life. The two guys here who do most of the anti-religion preaching are the same two guys who put down *anything* that others may own, build, or be capable of doing. To me it's envy, pure and simple. They can't stand the satisfaction others may get from their assets, whether those be abilities, possessions, or simply the satisfaction they may get from their religious beliefs. I'm not unwavering in my beliefs. But, like you I respect the fact that others may have their own. I do expect JimH to jump on the anti-god movement. He is so used to repeating whatever Harry says he has given up thinking on his own. I think we've seen convictions go out the window there. A couple years ago he would have been on Harry and Doug like flies on that smelly stuff. He's backed off. Or, maybe he's just changed his beliefs. If so, that's OK too. -- John H |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
I have no problems with any of the major religions, nor do I have a problem with someone being an atheist or agnostic, but recently they seem to be as forceful (or more forceful) in their Anti-God preaching as a Jehovah's Witnesses selling their version of God after waking you up at 8 am on a Saturday. I personally hope I've not offended any one (or too many) by simply expressing honest opinion, raising questions, or any lame attempts at humor. If so that wasn't the intent. Coming from a strict religious family I understand that some perceive expressions of doubt as threatening. None of us know the unknowable with any certainty and we shouldn't pretend to. We also needn't be offended by differing opinions. My $.02 anyway. Why are they so antisocial? Maybe they do need some God in their life. Or simple consideration. |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:07:55 -0800, -rick- wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I have no problems with any of the major religions, nor do I have a problem with someone being an atheist or agnostic, but recently they seem to be as forceful (or more forceful) in their Anti-God preaching as a Jehovah's Witnesses selling their version of God after waking you up at 8 am on a Saturday. I personally hope I've not offended any one (or too many) by simply expressing honest opinion, raising questions, or any lame attempts at humor. If so that wasn't the intent. Coming from a strict religious family I understand that some perceive expressions of doubt as threatening. None of us know the unknowable with any certainty and we shouldn't pretend to. We also needn't be offended by differing opinions. My $.02 anyway. Why are they so antisocial? Maybe they do need some God in their life. Or simple consideration. That would work. -- John H |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:07:55 -0800, -rick- wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I have no problems with any of the major religions, nor do I have a problem with someone being an atheist or agnostic, but recently they seem to be as forceful (or more forceful) in their Anti-God preaching as a Jehovah's Witnesses selling their version of God after waking you up at 8 am on a Saturday. I personally hope I've not offended any one (or too many) by simply expressing honest opinion, raising questions, or any lame attempts at humor. If so that wasn't the intent. None taken - reasonable debate and fun. Coming from a strict religious family I understand that some perceive expressions of doubt as threatening. It's really the disintegration of civil discourse - in my opinion anyway. Discussing the viewpoints civilly without injecting emotional components is fun and you can sometimes gain additinal insight and in passing, maybe dessiminate a few along the way to others. None of us know the unknowable with any certainty and we shouldn't pretend to. In large measure, that is true - and I agree largely with one of your other ideas of what happens after - belief in an "after" is largely for those who are still living - it's a comfortable thought. In my opinion, it's not relevant though - if you believe, you believe. It's like believing Jesus was celibate. One of my uncles is a Jesuit and Professor of Theology at a major Catholic university. When I read the Da Vinci Code I asked him about the belief in Christ being married and this is exactly what he said: "He was a young Jewish male carpenter who was viewed in a similar way as a Rebbe - it would have been normal for a young Jewish male carpenter Rebbe to be married. To who is a different question." Tell that to a fundamentalist Catholic or Protestant. :) We also needn't be offended by differing opinions. 10-4. |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:07:55 -0800, -rick- wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I have no problems with any of the major religions, nor do I have a problem with someone being an atheist or agnostic, but recently they seem to be as forceful (or more forceful) in their Anti-God preaching as a Jehovah's Witnesses selling their version of God after waking you up at 8 am on a Saturday. I personally hope I've not offended any one (or too many) by simply expressing honest opinion, raising questions, or any lame attempts at humor. If so that wasn't the intent. You definitely haven't offended me by any of your posts. I was really thinking of posts by Harry and Doug, whose sole purpose was to denigrate those who do have religious views. Coming from a strict religious family I understand that some perceive expressions of doubt as threatening. None of us know the unknowable with any certainty and we shouldn't pretend to. We also needn't be offended by differing opinions. My $.02 anyway. I am all for open discussions, but if someone has deep seated religious beliefs, it is counter productive to an open discussion to mock or ridicule their beliefs. Harry and Doug want to use a logical discussion to prove them wrong. Most religions are based upon faith, so using logic is not logical when discussing religion. There have been many studies that show a strong religious belief to have a positive impact on people's health, so why would one want to destroy that belief. Why are they so antisocial? Maybe they do need some God in their life. Or simple consideration. I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. I don't understand anyone goes out of their way to ridicule anyone's belief, including those I don't believe. Separation of church and state, does not mean our politicians must not have any faith or mean they can not acknowledge their religious beliefs. |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? If you weren't a fundamentalist it might be attractive. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? I can understand whey people believe in all of them, except for your favorite (FESM). I also see benefits to those who do have a strong faith. I would not want to do anything to make them question their belief in a deity. While I can understand why people are atheists, agnostic or deists, they really don't receive the added heath benefits of those with a strong faith and support system. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? If you weren't a fundamentalist it might be attractive. I don't understand your response. I am sure it is me, but please explain. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
BAR wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? If you weren't a fundamentalist it might be attractive. I don't understand your response. I am sure it is me, but please explain. I don't believe that the Evolutionary Space Monkeys intended their sacred texts to be literally followed, it is more a guide to enlightenment. |
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BAR wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: BAR wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? If you weren't a fundamentalist it might be attractive. I don't understand your response. I am sure it is me, but please explain. I don't believe that the Evolutionary Space Monkeys intended their sacred texts to be literally followed, it is more a guide to enlightenment. That is one school of thought, but I disagree it is a historical document that should be literally followed. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message . .. On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:07:55 -0800, -rick- wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I have no problems with any of the major religions, nor do I have a problem with someone being an atheist or agnostic, but recently they seem to be as forceful (or more forceful) in their Anti-God preaching as a Jehovah's Witnesses selling their version of God after waking you up at 8 am on a Saturday. I personally hope I've not offended any one (or too many) by simply expressing honest opinion, raising questions, or any lame attempts at humor. If so that wasn't the intent. You definitely haven't offended me by any of your posts. I was really thinking of posts by Harry and Doug, whose sole purpose was to denigrate those who do have religious views. Coming from a strict religious family I understand that some perceive expressions of doubt as threatening. None of us know the unknowable with any certainty and we shouldn't pretend to. We also needn't be offended by differing opinions. My $.02 anyway. I am all for open discussions, but if someone has deep seated religious beliefs, it is counter productive to an open discussion to mock or ridicule their beliefs. Harry and Doug want to use a logical discussion to prove them wrong. Most religions are based upon faith, so using logic is not logical when discussing religion. There have been many studies that show a strong religious belief to have a positive impact on people's health, so why would one want to destroy that belief. Why are they so antisocial? Maybe they do need some God in their life. Or simple consideration. I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. I don't understand anyone goes out of their way to ridicule anyone's belief, including those I don't believe. Separation of church and state, does not mean our politicians must not have any faith or mean they can not acknowledge their religious beliefs. Attacking someones religious or polital beliefs is a sure fire way to anger and hurt them. What satisfaction does the attacker gets out of it? Who knows. Doug is mad at the world and suffers low self esteem due to events in his life that overwhehmed him. His behavior us understandable. Harry is not so easy to understand. Until I figure him out, I'll just say he's just plain rotten. I,m not a doctor but I do play one on wrecked boats. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
BAR wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: BAR wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? If you weren't a fundamentalist it might be attractive. I don't understand your response. I am sure it is me, but please explain. I don't believe that the Evolutionary Space Monkeys intended their sacred texts to be literally followed, it is more a guide to enlightenment. That is one school of thought, but I disagree it is a historical document that should be literally followed. Yes, it is an historical document but, I was written somewhat poetically and thus can't be followed to the letter. I tried to follow it literally and wound up on a hill beneath a tree naked and cooing. I started at mid-night and I had lost my clothes along the way. When the police picked me up they didn't take me home. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No ayatollahs need apply. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No ayatollahs need apply. "Your" society is our society and it is not secular. |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:41:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? I'll respect their beliefs. -- John H |
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HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No ayatollahs need apply. "Your" society is our society and it is not secular. Uh-huh. We have no state religion or official religious belief in this country, at least for the moment. I believe in maintaining the separation of church and state, the prevention of the adoption of any state religion or state religious belief, the withdrawal of state subsidies to K-12 religious schools, and the end of tax exemption for churches. The state should be neutral on matters of belief, and gives no state privileges or subsidies to religions. |
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HK wrote:
BAR wrote: HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No ayatollahs need apply. "Your" society is our society and it is not secular. Uh-huh. We have no state religion or official religious belief in this country, at least for the moment. I believe in maintaining the separation of church and state, the prevention of the adoption of any state religion or state religious belief, the withdrawal of state subsidies to K-12 religious schools, and the end of tax exemption for churches. The state should be neutral on matters of belief, and gives no state privileges or subsidies to religions. There is no "separation" between church and state in the Constitution, there is the first amendment. Are you going to throw out the opening and closing prayers of the House and Senate? Why are the re military chaplins? Religion is a critical component of our society. |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:01:40 -0500, "Jim" wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:07:55 -0800, -rick- wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I have no problems with any of the major religions, nor do I have a problem with someone being an atheist or agnostic, but recently they seem to be as forceful (or more forceful) in their Anti-God preaching as a Jehovah's Witnesses selling their version of God after waking you up at 8 am on a Saturday. I personally hope I've not offended any one (or too many) by simply expressing honest opinion, raising questions, or any lame attempts at humor. If so that wasn't the intent. You definitely haven't offended me by any of your posts. I was really thinking of posts by Harry and Doug, whose sole purpose was to denigrate those who do have religious views. Coming from a strict religious family I understand that some perceive expressions of doubt as threatening. None of us know the unknowable with any certainty and we shouldn't pretend to. We also needn't be offended by differing opinions. My $.02 anyway. I am all for open discussions, but if someone has deep seated religious beliefs, it is counter productive to an open discussion to mock or ridicule their beliefs. Harry and Doug want to use a logical discussion to prove them wrong. Most religions are based upon faith, so using logic is not logical when discussing religion. There have been many studies that show a strong religious belief to have a positive impact on people's health, so why would one want to destroy that belief. Why are they so antisocial? Maybe they do need some God in their life. Or simple consideration. I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. I don't understand anyone goes out of their way to ridicule anyone's belief, including those I don't believe. Separation of church and state, does not mean our politicians must not have any faith or mean they can not acknowledge their religious beliefs. Attacking someones religious or polital beliefs is a sure fire way to anger and hurt them. What satisfaction does the attacker gets out of it? Who knows. Doug is mad at the world and suffers low self esteem due to events in his life that overwhehmed him. His behavior us understandable. Harry is not so easy to understand. Until I figure him out, I'll just say he's just plain rotten. I,m not a doctor but I do play one on wrecked boats. Neither Harry nor Doug have the power to hurt or anger me. They do have the ability to appear totally farcical, which they do on a regular basis. -- John H |
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BAR wrote:
HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:57:37 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: I can understand why people are atheist, agnostic and deists. How do you feel about worshippers of Transcendental Meditative Catholic Buddhist Fundamentalist Evolutionary Space Monkeys? I don't care if they have sex with their monkeys, so long as they don't try to shovel their religious beliefs onto my secular society. No ayatollahs need apply. "Your" society is our society and it is not secular. Uh-huh. We have no state religion or official religious belief in this country, at least for the moment. I believe in maintaining the separation of church and state, the prevention of the adoption of any state religion or state religious belief, the withdrawal of state subsidies to K-12 religious schools, and the end of tax exemption for churches. The state should be neutral on matters of belief, and gives no state privileges or subsidies to religions. There is no "separation" between church and state in the Constitution, there is the first amendment. Are you going to throw out the opening and closing prayers of the House and Senate? Why are the re military chaplins? Religion is a critical component of our society. Elegant, ain't it? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. No law. That means no state religion or state religious belief. You are free to exercise whatever religion you wish, but there is nothing there saying you can try to shovel it onto me or onto the state. As for chaplains, I believe their pay and benefits ought to be borne by religious organizations, not by the taxpayers. But I wouldn't push for that. That's just my belief. Yes, I would toss out the opening and closing prayers in Congress. Your assumption and the assumption of several of the other simpies here is that I am anti-religion. I am not. I don't give a damn what religion you practice, so long as you keep it in your church, in your home, and *out* of my state. I am a disestablishmentarianist. |
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