On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:14:43 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:33:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

People who do a lot of writing often prefer WordPerfect.
I prefer notepad.

I have notepad on my start menu. I use it for a handy place to
accumulate things from the clipboard. Note pad is an easy way to
convert stuff you copy from web pages to a flat text file.

Most of my phone numbers/addresses are still in notepad.
I use(d) 2 byte prefixes in the first 2 columns to sort with a
mainframe sort utility.
Since I don't have a mainframe anymore, I've migrated most
to a VB address book app.
But I always add them to notepad anyway, to print for a list
magneted on the refrigerator.

--Vic

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:18:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:



Maybe I misunderstood what Vic said. My interpretation was that he wanted
just words on the page. He said "a simple doc". If all you want to do is
type some words, save the doc and maybe print it, those actions take you
nowhere near the menus for graphic features. They're all on the File menu. I
suppose a spastic mouse movement could cause you to hit toolbar buttons, but
that's one of many reasons why professional typists don't use the mouse for
the vast majority of work.

Nah, they were mostly "official" and a reflection on my
"professionalism" so they were fonted, centered, and paginated.
Anyway, most of the time I had problems with it was when a nerd
tricked it out with all kinds of tabulation, macros, and such.
Then I just refused to deal with it.
You know, you give some people a hammer, and they turn it into a
milling machine.

--Vic

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:25:06 -0500, HK wrote:

I still like DOS if I am just manipulating text. I have an old IBM
internal application that does things you can't do with any Windoze
application. (at least not easily)

I used to use a typesetter front end that worked well under DOS.

I have a subset of the IBM E editor that has a lot of handy features
like column sorting, the ability to delete or insert characters and
block moving columns or rows instead of just highting up sequential
bytes like MS programs.
It is very easy to get from a flat text file to something you can load
into a spreadsheet or database. In a lot of cases you can avoid the
database or spreadsheet step entirely.
I also use it a lot for editing M3U files, adding network paths
globally and such.
IE I can make C:\dir\artist - song.mp3 into
\\server\sharedrive\artist - song.mp3 for 1000 songs with a minimal
number of keystrokes.


Do you use TIN for a newsreader, too? :}


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Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:08:54 -0500, HK wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:31:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Fewer commands? You don't have to use commands that you don't need.
And,
does your version of Word have the "Hide less-used commands on menus"
feature? If you don't use them, you don't see them, at least the more
obscure commands.

Look, I've fat-fingered Word while writing a simple doc and suddenly
had a database, tables, pie chart, and hyperlinks communicating with
the space shuttle. That's when I'd give it to somebody else to
straighten it out and e-mail it back to me so I could send it out.

--Vic

That's a user problem, not a software problem. You should also avoid
using the mouse whenever possible. If you use only the menus, it's next
to impossible to screw things up unless you WANT to.

Why would you presume your experience with WORD to be the same as
someone else's who probably uses the program entirely differently, and
for different purposes? These big "office productivity" suites are
complex, and users interface with them differently.

He's taking a technical perspective.
Some writers still won't use anything but their 1927 Corona.
Some boaters won't buy anything but a Parker, or a GB.
Personal preference.

--Vic

Why would someone buy a Parker?

Well. They are affordable for one thing.

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:18:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:



Maybe I misunderstood what Vic said. My interpretation was that he wanted
just words on the page. He said "a simple doc". If all you want to do is
type some words, save the doc and maybe print it, those actions take you
nowhere near the menus for graphic features. They're all on the File menu.
I
suppose a spastic mouse movement could cause you to hit toolbar buttons,
but
that's one of many reasons why professional typists don't use the mouse
for
the vast majority of work.

Nah, they were mostly "official" and a reflection on my
"professionalism" so they were fonted, centered, and paginated.
Anyway, most of the time I had problems with it was when a nerd
tricked it out with all kinds of tabulation, macros, and such.
Then I just refused to deal with it.
You know, you give some people a hammer, and they turn it into a
milling machine.

--Vic


Don't tell anyone else in the group about this page:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/211982

Learn a few of those and you'll be the robocop of word processing.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:18:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


Maybe I misunderstood what Vic said. My interpretation was that he wanted
just words on the page. He said "a simple doc". If all you want to do is
type some words, save the doc and maybe print it, those actions take you
nowhere near the menus for graphic features. They're all on the File menu.
I
suppose a spastic mouse movement could cause you to hit toolbar buttons,
but
that's one of many reasons why professional typists don't use the mouse
for
the vast majority of work.

Nah, they were mostly "official" and a reflection on my
"professionalism" so they were fonted, centered, and paginated.
Anyway, most of the time I had problems with it was when a nerd
tricked it out with all kinds of tabulation, macros, and such.
Then I just refused to deal with it.
You know, you give some people a hammer, and they turn it into a
milling machine.

--Vic


Don't tell anyone else in the group about this page:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/211982

Learn a few of those and you'll be the robocop of word processing.




Then what, get a job as a secretary?

"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:18:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


Maybe I misunderstood what Vic said. My interpretation was that he
wanted
just words on the page. He said "a simple doc". If all you want to do
is
type some words, save the doc and maybe print it, those actions take
you
nowhere near the menus for graphic features. They're all on the File
menu. I
suppose a spastic mouse movement could cause you to hit toolbar
buttons, but
that's one of many reasons why professional typists don't use the mouse
for
the vast majority of work.

Nah, they were mostly "official" and a reflection on my
"professionalism" so they were fonted, centered, and paginated.
Anyway, most of the time I had problems with it was when a nerd
tricked it out with all kinds of tabulation, macros, and such.
Then I just refused to deal with it.
You know, you give some people a hammer, and they turn it into a
milling machine.

--Vic


Don't tell anyone else in the group about this page:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/211982

Learn a few of those and you'll be the robocop of word processing.


Then what, get a job as a secretary?


There *are* advantages. My monitor died one day while I was working on a
spreadsheet. I managed to finish the spreadsheet successfully and print it.
It was 80% done anyway, but still....keystroke shortcuts saved the day. And,
you have to be a masochist to use the mouse to save a doc instead of just
hitting CTRL-S.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:18:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


Maybe I misunderstood what Vic said. My interpretation was that he
wanted
just words on the page. He said "a simple doc". If all you want to do
is
type some words, save the doc and maybe print it, those actions take
you
nowhere near the menus for graphic features. They're all on the File
menu. I
suppose a spastic mouse movement could cause you to hit toolbar
buttons, but
that's one of many reasons why professional typists don't use the mouse
for
the vast majority of work.

Nah, they were mostly "official" and a reflection on my
"professionalism" so they were fonted, centered, and paginated.
Anyway, most of the time I had problems with it was when a nerd
tricked it out with all kinds of tabulation, macros, and such.
Then I just refused to deal with it.
You know, you give some people a hammer, and they turn it into a
milling machine.

--Vic

Don't tell anyone else in the group about this page:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/211982

Learn a few of those and you'll be the robocop of word processing.

Then what, get a job as a secretary?


There *are* advantages. My monitor died one day while I was working on a
spreadsheet. I managed to finish the spreadsheet successfully and print it.
It was 80% done anyway, but still....keystroke shortcuts saved the day. And,
you have to be a masochist to use the mouse to save a doc instead of just
hitting CTRL-S.




Sure. Everyone who uses a WP frequently learns keystroke shortcuts.

BTW, have you seen Charlie Wilson's War?

His assistants and secretaries were not picked for their WP skills.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:53:25 -0500, HK wrote:


BTW, have you seen Charlie Wilson's War?

His assistants and secretaries were not picked for their WP skills.

There was a time when I was thinking of exclusively recruiting hot
babes, give them some rudimentary programming training, and bill
them out for 65 @ hour.
IT client managers were suckers for that when times were "good."
The good times didn't last long enough to implement the plan.
Or maybe there just weren't enough hot babes.
Can't remember.

--Vic

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:33:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:27:06 -0500, HK wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I'm not asking because I dislike Wordperfect. But, if I already had one word
processor installed, I wouldn't bother installing another unless the first
one was screwed up in a major way.

Fewer commands, fewer options, easier and faster to set up and use or
not use "defaults," a lot less of doing it Microsoft's way or no way at
all. It's a feeling, as I stated, that it seems faster to me. I find
WORD clunky, obtuse, and overstuffed.

People who do a lot of writing often prefer WordPerfect.
I prefer notepad.

--Vic

I like Post-its.
--
John H