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HK January 10th 08 09:59 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:52:34 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:47:03 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:48:22 GMT,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:43:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:14:08 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:41:43 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I have a 160 GB external hard disk to which I tried to back up my documents
and settings using the Windows backup system.

After about a half hour, I get a message saying there's not enough room for
the backup, and that if the hard disk is FAT 32, the backup can be no
larger than 4 GB. So I checked, and sure enough, the external HD is FAT 32.

Now what? I already have about 50 GB of stuff on the external HD that I
don't want to lose by reformatting (if that's what's required).
You have a couple of options.

If there is enough room on your computer's harddrive, copy the
archives there temporarily while you work on the external drive. Then
you can use a program called "Partition Magic" to do the
reconfiguration without risk to your archives. Partition Magic "could"
do the conversion with the files in place, BUT: No matter what method
you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only way to guarantee your
files will be safe is to back them up somewhere else.


The other option is to buy another external hard drive. They are dirt
cheap these days. Newegg is very reliable to deal with and has a ton
of external drives to chose from. They even have a no name 160gb drive
for less than $70 including shipping. I've got several Maxtor's and
they have been great. Still relatively cheap.


I also HIGHLY recommend that you do NOT use Windows Backup for
anything you care about. The reason is simple: When you want to
recover those backups a couple of years from now, you will find that
every new version of Windows has a new version of windows backup, and
they are NOT compatible! Use a separate backup program.



Jesus. This is overkill. It is a relatively trivial task to convert a
drive from FAT32 to the New Technology File System, aka NTFS. There's a
simple procedure to accomplish it, which I posted here. You can do it
without losing the data on the hard drive. I've done it a few times
without any problems.
I don't care if you've done it a thousand times with no problem. It's
HIS data on the drive, and he said he doesn't want to lose it. I
believe him, and took that into account.

You have firmly established your lack of computer expertise in many
previous posts. Now you are recommending that he risk data he said he
doesn't want to lose. Guess what? You could cross the freeway
blindfolded as many times as you've converted drives while they have
data on them, and you might survive every time, as well. Please try
THAT experiment and get back to us.

One more time:
"No matter what method you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only
way to guarantee your files will be safe is to back them up somewhere
else"
Which is the same advice Microsoft gives.
It's also just plain common sense.

The difference between me and HK is that I am presently employed by a
medium sized city (one of the larger cities in Connecticut) to oversee
the entire city network, which includes all city departments, Police,
Fire, Utilities, school system and libraries. A few more than 40
servers, and 2500+ desktops.

And this is my "retirement job"!

Just keep in mind that Harry's probably managed *two* large city networks
(LA and NYC, for example), with at least 100 servers, and well over 5000+
desktops.
I rode in a lobster boat a few times... Does that count for anything?


From what I have seen here of you, I doubt you could tie your shoes
without help. In that regard, you and Herring are well-matched. He's
pretty helpless, too.


FIND SOMEONE TO HELP YOU FIX YOUR KILL FILTER.



You're out of it for the moment. It's important to have one or two
droolers around. That's your rice bowl here.

Where do you keep your boat, by the way?

JoeSpareBedroom January 10th 08 10:01 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and ScanDisk
can't.


No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details.
--

Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.

http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/



They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an un-raped
version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in the day. It was
so good, they discontinued it.



HK January 10th 08 10:05 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details.
--

Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.

http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/



They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an un-raped
version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in the day. It was
so good, they discontinued it.




Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes over
another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's product line
is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then turned into crap.

Reginald P. Smithers III[_9_] January 10th 08 10:09 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
HK wrote:


FIND SOMEONE TO HELP YOU FIX YOUR KILL FILTER.



You're out of it for the moment. It's important to have one or two
droolers around. That's your rice bowl here.


Harry and his fill filter, almost as elusive as his Lobster Boat.

John H.[_3_] January 10th 08 10:16 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:05:13 -0500, HK wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:09:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Have you tried Norton NDD? It fixes lots of stuff CHKDSK and ScanDisk
can't.
No. I don't have anything Norton. For some reason, from many years ago, I
got a bad taste in my mouth from Norton. Don't remember the details.
--
Probably that lousy anti-virus software or something that happened
when Symantec took over. When it was Peter Norton, they did some great
things with disk recovery software. I have taken "broken" drives out
of the trash and fixed them with NDD.

http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/norton/



They had an excellent backup software product, too. It was an un-raped
version of the piece 'o **** that came with Windows back in the day. It was
so good, they discontinued it.




Just another example of what happens when a BIG corporation takes over
another company. Almost invariably, the smaller company's product line
is examined by the bigger company's MBAs and then turned into crap.


They should all be under government control!
--
John H

John H.[_3_] January 10th 08 10:17 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:48:52 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:47:03 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:48:22 GMT,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:43:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:14:08 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:41:43 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I have a 160 GB external hard disk to which I tried to back up my documents
and settings using the Windows backup system.

After about a half hour, I get a message saying there's not enough room for
the backup, and that if the hard disk is FAT 32, the backup can be no
larger than 4 GB. So I checked, and sure enough, the external HD is FAT 32.

Now what? I already have about 50 GB of stuff on the external HD that I
don't want to lose by reformatting (if that's what's required).

You have a couple of options.

If there is enough room on your computer's harddrive, copy the
archives there temporarily while you work on the external drive. Then
you can use a program called "Partition Magic" to do the
reconfiguration without risk to your archives. Partition Magic "could"
do the conversion with the files in place, BUT: No matter what method
you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only way to guarantee your
files will be safe is to back them up somewhere else.


The other option is to buy another external hard drive. They are dirt
cheap these days. Newegg is very reliable to deal with and has a ton
of external drives to chose from. They even have a no name 160gb drive
for less than $70 including shipping. I've got several Maxtor's and
they have been great. Still relatively cheap.


I also HIGHLY recommend that you do NOT use Windows Backup for
anything you care about. The reason is simple: When you want to
recover those backups a couple of years from now, you will find that
every new version of Windows has a new version of windows backup, and
they are NOT compatible! Use a separate backup program.




Jesus. This is overkill. It is a relatively trivial task to convert a
drive from FAT32 to the New Technology File System, aka NTFS. There's a
simple procedure to accomplish it, which I posted here. You can do it
without losing the data on the hard drive. I've done it a few times
without any problems.

I don't care if you've done it a thousand times with no problem. It's
HIS data on the drive, and he said he doesn't want to lose it. I
believe him, and took that into account.

You have firmly established your lack of computer expertise in many
previous posts. Now you are recommending that he risk data he said he
doesn't want to lose. Guess what? You could cross the freeway
blindfolded as many times as you've converted drives while they have
data on them, and you might survive every time, as well. Please try
THAT experiment and get back to us.

One more time:
"No matter what method you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only
way to guarantee your files will be safe is to back them up somewhere
else"

Which is the same advice Microsoft gives.

It's also just plain common sense.

The difference between me and HK is that I am presently employed by a
medium sized city (one of the larger cities in Connecticut) to oversee
the entire city network, which includes all city departments, Police,
Fire, Utilities, school system and libraries. A few more than 40
servers, and 2500+ desktops.

And this is my "retirement job"!


Just keep in mind that Harry's probably managed *two* large city networks
(LA and NYC, for example), with at least 100 servers, and well over 5000+
desktops.


I rode in a lobster boat a few times... Does that count for anything?


Only if you *owned* it.
--
John H

John H.[_3_] January 10th 08 10:19 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:01:00 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:52:34 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:47:03 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:48:22 GMT,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:43:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:14:08 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:41:43 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I have a 160 GB external hard disk to which I tried to back up my documents
and settings using the Windows backup system.

After about a half hour, I get a message saying there's not enough room for
the backup, and that if the hard disk is FAT 32, the backup can be no
larger than 4 GB. So I checked, and sure enough, the external HD is FAT 32.

Now what? I already have about 50 GB of stuff on the external HD that I
don't want to lose by reformatting (if that's what's required).
You have a couple of options.

If there is enough room on your computer's harddrive, copy the
archives there temporarily while you work on the external drive. Then
you can use a program called "Partition Magic" to do the
reconfiguration without risk to your archives. Partition Magic "could"
do the conversion with the files in place, BUT: No matter what method
you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only way to guarantee your
files will be safe is to back them up somewhere else.


The other option is to buy another external hard drive. They are dirt
cheap these days. Newegg is very reliable to deal with and has a ton
of external drives to chose from. They even have a no name 160gb drive
for less than $70 including shipping. I've got several Maxtor's and
they have been great. Still relatively cheap.


I also HIGHLY recommend that you do NOT use Windows Backup for
anything you care about. The reason is simple: When you want to
recover those backups a couple of years from now, you will find that
every new version of Windows has a new version of windows backup, and
they are NOT compatible! Use a separate backup program.



Jesus. This is overkill. It is a relatively trivial task to convert a
drive from FAT32 to the New Technology File System, aka NTFS. There's a
simple procedure to accomplish it, which I posted here. You can do it
without losing the data on the hard drive. I've done it a few times
without any problems.
I don't care if you've done it a thousand times with no problem. It's
HIS data on the drive, and he said he doesn't want to lose it. I
believe him, and took that into account.

You have firmly established your lack of computer expertise in many
previous posts. Now you are recommending that he risk data he said he
doesn't want to lose. Guess what? You could cross the freeway
blindfolded as many times as you've converted drives while they have
data on them, and you might survive every time, as well. Please try
THAT experiment and get back to us.

One more time:
"No matter what method you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only
way to guarantee your files will be safe is to back them up somewhere
else"
Which is the same advice Microsoft gives.
It's also just plain common sense.

The difference between me and HK is that I am presently employed by a
medium sized city (one of the larger cities in Connecticut) to oversee
the entire city network, which includes all city departments, Police,
Fire, Utilities, school system and libraries. A few more than 40
servers, and 2500+ desktops.

And this is my "retirement job"!

Just keep in mind that Harry's probably managed *two* large city networks
(LA and NYC, for example), with at least 100 servers, and well over 5000+
desktops.

I rode in a lobster boat a few times... Does that count for anything?



From what I have seen here of you, I doubt you could tie your shoes
without help. In that regard, you and Herring are well-matched. He's
pretty helpless, too.


FIND SOMEONE TO HELP YOU FIX YOUR KILL FILTER.


He was probably using the 'puter on the lobsta' boat. When you have ten or
twelve 'puters, it's hard to keep track of your filters. Hell, it's hard to
remember where you keep the Excell spreadsheet used to keep track of all
the filters!
--
John H

Reginald P. Smithers III[_9_] January 10th 08 10:22 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
John H. wrote:

And this is my "retirement job"!

Just keep in mind that Harry's probably managed *two* large city networks
(LA and NYC, for example), with at least 100 servers, and well over 5000+
desktops.

I rode in a lobster boat a few times... Does that count for anything?


Only if you *owned* it.


I saw a Lobster Boat, and wondered what it would be like to own one.
Does that count?


HK January 10th 08 11:00 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
wrote:

Damn!


So, what sort of boat do you own, and where do you keep it?

HK January 10th 08 11:03 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:00:27 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:

Damn!

So, what sort of boat do you own, and where do you keep it?


Why? Need a place to sleep?




I have a feeling the closest you get to deep water is during your weekly
sheep dip.


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