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[email protected] January 11th 08 08:46 PM

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On Jan 11, 12:56*pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:


How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats


Bovine excrement. *You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. *If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.


How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? *And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?


A. As previously stated, I built plywood dinghies and small skiffs. When
I was a real youngster, someone else would cut the pieces out of sheets
for me on the electric saws, but after that I was on my own for assembly
and finishing. There were plenty of guys around to help if I needed it.
It's not that difficult. These were simple boats, simply finished. I was
probably 10 or 11 when I cut the plywood from patterns I traced. It did
not take a lot of woodworking skill to build these boats. We used bronze
nails and screws to assemble the pieces. "Finishing" them consisted of
being patient with sanders and sanding blocks, taking the boats into the
painting shed, staining, putting on three coats of Petit marine varnish,
and installing oarlocks and deck hardware.


Did you have the proper training and were you holding a union card when
you built these boats.





B. After my father died, I took over and in fairly short order, sold all
the boat, motor and parts inventory. I had no interest in running the
boat store or marina, and put the real estate up for sale. Most of the
guys who worked for my father were "moonlighters" from places like
Sikorsky or White Truck or other such places, typically guys whose main
employers kept promoting them until they no longer were able to work
with their hands. They were all long-time friends of my father and
either found other "hobby" jobs or something else to do with their time.
They were natural and highly trained mechanics and craftworkers, boaters
all, and could fix the engines of their era in their sleep.


The marina property sold quickly. The store on the old Boston Post Road
took longer, and, in fact, was sold by two of my boyhood friends, one of
whom was my father's lawyer and the other, his accountant. Last time I
drove by there, a dozen or so years ago, there was a fairly large strip
shopping center on the site. The marina site was supposed to go condo,
but I don't know. Never been back there.


My uncle (my father's older brother) and I had been after my father to
sell out for years, and to retire. My uncle had retired from his
business in 1970 and moved to Boca with his wife. He played 18 rounds of
golf almost every day and lived to be 90. My father died at 60. For what
the real property realized, he and my mother could have had a long,
carefree retirement. My mother sure did.


How's your knowledge of what simple, small wooden boats sold for in the
1950s, Wayne? Still faulty, I bet.- Hide quoted text -


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The thing is, after all this rhetoric, he has stated in the past that
he has not built a boat... I tend to beleive the former, based on
comments he has made that just don't add up to boatbuilder.. even
crappy little ones like mine...;)

Reginald P. Smithers III[_9_] January 11th 08 08:50 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
wrote:
On Jan 11, 12:56 pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:
How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats
Bovine excrement. You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.
How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?
A. As previously stated, I built plywood dinghies and small skiffs. When
I was a real youngster, someone else would cut the pieces out of sheets
for me on the electric saws, but after that I was on my own for assembly
and finishing. There were plenty of guys around to help if I needed it.
It's not that difficult. These were simple boats, simply finished. I was
probably 10 or 11 when I cut the plywood from patterns I traced. It did
not take a lot of woodworking skill to build these boats. We used bronze
nails and screws to assemble the pieces. "Finishing" them consisted of
being patient with sanders and sanding blocks, taking the boats into the
painting shed, staining, putting on three coats of Petit marine varnish,
and installing oarlocks and deck hardware.

Did you have the proper training and were you holding a union card when
you built these boats.





B. After my father died, I took over and in fairly short order, sold all
the boat, motor and parts inventory. I had no interest in running the
boat store or marina, and put the real estate up for sale. Most of the
guys who worked for my father were "moonlighters" from places like
Sikorsky or White Truck or other such places, typically guys whose main
employers kept promoting them until they no longer were able to work
with their hands. They were all long-time friends of my father and
either found other "hobby" jobs or something else to do with their time.
They were natural and highly trained mechanics and craftworkers, boaters
all, and could fix the engines of their era in their sleep.
The marina property sold quickly. The store on the old Boston Post Road
took longer, and, in fact, was sold by two of my boyhood friends, one of
whom was my father's lawyer and the other, his accountant. Last time I
drove by there, a dozen or so years ago, there was a fairly large strip
shopping center on the site. The marina site was supposed to go condo,
but I don't know. Never been back there.
My uncle (my father's older brother) and I had been after my father to
sell out for years, and to retire. My uncle had retired from his
business in 1970 and moved to Boca with his wife. He played 18 rounds of
golf almost every day and lived to be 90. My father died at 60. For what
the real property realized, he and my mother could have had a long,
carefree retirement. My mother sure did.
How's your knowledge of what simple, small wooden boats sold for in the
1950s, Wayne? Still faulty, I bet.- Hide quoted text -

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- Show quoted text -


The thing is, after all this rhetoric, he has stated in the past that
he has not built a boat... I tend to beleive the former, based on
comments he has made that just don't add up to boatbuilder.. even
crappy little ones like mine...;)



Are you saying Harry would lie?


[email protected] January 11th 08 08:59 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
On Jan 11, 3:50*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 11, 12:56 pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:
How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats
Bovine excrement. *You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. *If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.
How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? *And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?
A. As previously stated, I built plywood dinghies and small skiffs. When
I was a real youngster, someone else would cut the pieces out of sheets
for me on the electric saws, but after that I was on my own for assembly
and finishing. There were plenty of guys around to help if I needed it..
It's not that difficult. These were simple boats, simply finished. I was
probably 10 or 11 when I cut the plywood from patterns I traced. It did
not take a lot of woodworking skill to build these boats. We used bronze
nails and screws to assemble the pieces. "Finishing" them consisted of
being patient with sanders and sanding blocks, taking the boats into the
painting shed, staining, putting on three coats of Petit marine varnish,
and installing oarlocks and deck hardware.
Did you have the proper training and were you holding a union card when
you built these boats.


B. After my father died, I took over and in fairly short order, sold all
the boat, motor and parts inventory. I had no interest in running the
boat store or marina, and put the real estate up for sale. Most of the
guys who worked for my father were "moonlighters" from places like
Sikorsky or White Truck or other such places, typically guys whose main
employers kept promoting them until they no longer were able to work
with their hands. They were all long-time friends of my father and
either found other "hobby" jobs or something else to do with their time.
They were natural and highly trained mechanics and craftworkers, boaters
all, and could fix the engines of their era in their sleep.
The marina property sold quickly. The store on the old Boston Post Road
took longer, and, in fact, was sold by two of my boyhood friends, one of
whom was my father's lawyer and the other, his accountant. Last time I
drove by there, a dozen or so years ago, there was a fairly large strip
shopping center on the site. The marina site was supposed to go condo,
but I don't know. Never been back there.
My uncle (my father's older brother) and I had been after my father to
sell out for years, and to retire. My uncle had retired from his
business in 1970 and moved to Boca with his wife. He played 18 rounds of
golf almost every day and lived to be 90. My father died at 60. For what
the real property realized, he and my mother could have had a long,
carefree retirement. My mother sure did.
How's your knowledge of what simple, small wooden boats sold for in the
1950s, Wayne? Still faulty, I bet.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


The thing is, after all this rhetoric, he has stated in the past that
he has not built a boat... I tend to beleive the former, based on
comments he has made that just don't add up to boatbuilder.. even
crappy little ones like mine...;)


Are you saying Harry would lie?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yes.

HK January 11th 08 09:02 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
wrote:
On Jan 11, 12:56 pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:
How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats
Bovine excrement. You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.
How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?
A. As previously stated, I built plywood dinghies and small skiffs. When
I was a real youngster, someone else would cut the pieces out of sheets
for me on the electric saws, but after that I was on my own for assembly
and finishing. There were plenty of guys around to help if I needed it.
It's not that difficult. These were simple boats, simply finished. I was
probably 10 or 11 when I cut the plywood from patterns I traced. It did
not take a lot of woodworking skill to build these boats. We used bronze
nails and screws to assemble the pieces. "Finishing" them consisted of
being patient with sanders and sanding blocks, taking the boats into the
painting shed, staining, putting on three coats of Petit marine varnish,
and installing oarlocks and deck hardware.

Did you have the proper training and were you holding a union card when
you built these boats.





B. After my father died, I took over and in fairly short order, sold all
the boat, motor and parts inventory. I had no interest in running the
boat store or marina, and put the real estate up for sale. Most of the
guys who worked for my father were "moonlighters" from places like
Sikorsky or White Truck or other such places, typically guys whose main
employers kept promoting them until they no longer were able to work
with their hands. They were all long-time friends of my father and
either found other "hobby" jobs or something else to do with their time.
They were natural and highly trained mechanics and craftworkers, boaters
all, and could fix the engines of their era in their sleep.
The marina property sold quickly. The store on the old Boston Post Road
took longer, and, in fact, was sold by two of my boyhood friends, one of
whom was my father's lawyer and the other, his accountant. Last time I
drove by there, a dozen or so years ago, there was a fairly large strip
shopping center on the site. The marina site was supposed to go condo,
but I don't know. Never been back there.
My uncle (my father's older brother) and I had been after my father to
sell out for years, and to retire. My uncle had retired from his
business in 1970 and moved to Boca with his wife. He played 18 rounds of
golf almost every day and lived to be 90. My father died at 60. For what
the real property realized, he and my mother could have had a long,
carefree retirement. My mother sure did.
How's your knowledge of what simple, small wooden boats sold for in the
1950s, Wayne? Still faulty, I bet.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


The thing is, after all this rhetoric, he has stated in the past that
he has not built a boat... I tend to beleive the former, based on
comments he has made that just don't add up to boatbuilder.. even
crappy little ones like mine...;)




Yeah, well, I never considered putting together little dinghies and
skiffs out of sheets of plywood as "boat building." I'm old enough to
have visited real wood boatbuilders when I was a kid, real boatbuilders
like Bill Luder, from whom my father bought a boat. We visited Luder's
yard at least once a year to look around. Luder had a number of still
famous apprentices, too, like Ted Brewer. They are boatbuilders.

And the guy who built that lovely pilothouse - the Miss Rebecca/Jack Tar
- he is a boatbuilder.

I just built cheap little prams and a couple of skiffs. Hardly what I
would consider skilled boatbuilding. The prams were for folks who wanted
a little rowboat for their kids, or who didn't want to buy a much more
expensive Dyer dink.



--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

John H.[_3_] January 11th 08 09:23 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:02:06 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 11, 12:56 pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:52 -0500, HK wrote:
How do I know that? Well, I've sawed plywood and oak and built small
boats
Bovine excrement. You might have watched other people do it but
there's no chance you have ever built a complete boat from scratch and
finished it. If so, you'd have a lot more respect for the skills of
others.
How long did it take you to run your father's old boatyard into the
ground? And what about all of those old world craftsmen who lost
their jobs as a result?
A. As previously stated, I built plywood dinghies and small skiffs. When
I was a real youngster, someone else would cut the pieces out of sheets
for me on the electric saws, but after that I was on my own for assembly
and finishing. There were plenty of guys around to help if I needed it.
It's not that difficult. These were simple boats, simply finished. I was
probably 10 or 11 when I cut the plywood from patterns I traced. It did
not take a lot of woodworking skill to build these boats. We used bronze
nails and screws to assemble the pieces. "Finishing" them consisted of
being patient with sanders and sanding blocks, taking the boats into the
painting shed, staining, putting on three coats of Petit marine varnish,
and installing oarlocks and deck hardware.
Did you have the proper training and were you holding a union card when
you built these boats.





B. After my father died, I took over and in fairly short order, sold all
the boat, motor and parts inventory. I had no interest in running the
boat store or marina, and put the real estate up for sale. Most of the
guys who worked for my father were "moonlighters" from places like
Sikorsky or White Truck or other such places, typically guys whose main
employers kept promoting them until they no longer were able to work
with their hands. They were all long-time friends of my father and
either found other "hobby" jobs or something else to do with their time.
They were natural and highly trained mechanics and craftworkers, boaters
all, and could fix the engines of their era in their sleep.
The marina property sold quickly. The store on the old Boston Post Road
took longer, and, in fact, was sold by two of my boyhood friends, one of
whom was my father's lawyer and the other, his accountant. Last time I
drove by there, a dozen or so years ago, there was a fairly large strip
shopping center on the site. The marina site was supposed to go condo,
but I don't know. Never been back there.
My uncle (my father's older brother) and I had been after my father to
sell out for years, and to retire. My uncle had retired from his
business in 1970 and moved to Boca with his wife. He played 18 rounds of
golf almost every day and lived to be 90. My father died at 60. For what
the real property realized, he and my mother could have had a long,
carefree retirement. My mother sure did.
How's your knowledge of what simple, small wooden boats sold for in the
1950s, Wayne? Still faulty, I bet.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


The thing is, after all this rhetoric, he has stated in the past that
he has not built a boat... I tend to beleive the former, based on
comments he has made that just don't add up to boatbuilder.. even
crappy little ones like mine...;)




Yeah, well, I never considered putting together little dinghies and
skiffs out of sheets of plywood as "boat building." I'm old enough to
have visited real wood boatbuilders when I was a kid, real boatbuilders
like Bill Luder, from whom my father bought a boat. We visited Luder's
yard at least once a year to look around. Luder had a number of still
famous apprentices, too, like Ted Brewer. They are boatbuilders.

And the guy who built that lovely pilothouse - the Miss Rebecca/Jack Tar
- he is a boatbuilder.

I just built cheap little prams and a couple of skiffs. Hardly what I
would consider skilled boatbuilding. The prams were for folks who wanted
a little rowboat for their kids, or who didn't want to buy a much more
expensive Dyer dink.


Harry, this is not a barb.

I just want to let you know that there is *at least* one person here who
believes you. He might live in Cleveland or someplace, but I'm sure he
exists.

Hopefully, that'll make you feel better.
--
John H

John H.[_3_] January 11th 08 10:02 PM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:57:28 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:14:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Thanks, Wally. I've downloaded and installed Karen's Replicator. Seems to
be exactly what I was looking for. Now I have to decide what, besides my
documents, I want to back up.

I appreciate the assistance.
--
John H


Hey John, no problem. If I remember correctly, you live in AL and I'm
glad to help out a neighbor.


That's my southern accent comin' out. Actually I live in Virginia.
--
John H

JoeSpareBedroom January 12th 08 12:13 AM

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:09:22 -0500, wrote:

One is a file/fax/weather station and scanner server. One is this
machine that I use a lot for all different things and one is my wifes
shopping/ma jong/email/solitaire machine.


Then they get rebooted, and as I said, your claim that they never get
rebooted is hyperbole.


My wife treats her machine like the phone. She doesn't even have a
clue how to reboot it. Pull the plug is all she knows. Thay doesn't
happen often and I hear about it



Heh. Sounds like my ex: "I don't do technology." :-)



Dan January 12th 08 01:18 AM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:43:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:14:08 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:41:43 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:07:52 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I have a 160 GB external hard disk to which I tried to back up my documents
and settings using the Windows backup system.

After about a half hour, I get a message saying there's not enough room for
the backup, and that if the hard disk is FAT 32, the backup can be no
larger than 4 GB. So I checked, and sure enough, the external HD is FAT 32.

Now what? I already have about 50 GB of stuff on the external HD that I
don't want to lose by reformatting (if that's what's required).
You have a couple of options.

If there is enough room on your computer's harddrive, copy the
archives there temporarily while you work on the external drive. Then
you can use a program called "Partition Magic" to do the
reconfiguration without risk to your archives. Partition Magic "could"
do the conversion with the files in place, BUT: No matter what method
you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only way to guarantee your
files will be safe is to back them up somewhere else.


The other option is to buy another external hard drive. They are dirt
cheap these days. Newegg is very reliable to deal with and has a ton
of external drives to chose from. They even have a no name 160gb drive
for less than $70 including shipping. I've got several Maxtor's and
they have been great. Still relatively cheap.


I also HIGHLY recommend that you do NOT use Windows Backup for
anything you care about. The reason is simple: When you want to
recover those backups a couple of years from now, you will find that
every new version of Windows has a new version of windows backup, and
they are NOT compatible! Use a separate backup program.



Jesus. This is overkill. It is a relatively trivial task to convert a
drive from FAT32 to the New Technology File System, aka NTFS. There's a
simple procedure to accomplish it, which I posted here. You can do it
without losing the data on the hard drive. I've done it a few times
without any problems.
I don't care if you've done it a thousand times with no problem. It's
HIS data on the drive, and he said he doesn't want to lose it. I
believe him, and took that into account.

You have firmly established your lack of computer expertise in many
previous posts. Now you are recommending that he risk data he said he
doesn't want to lose. Guess what? You could cross the freeway
blindfolded as many times as you've converted drives while they have
data on them, and you might survive every time, as well. Please try
THAT experiment and get back to us.

One more time:
"No matter what method you use to convert the disk to NTFS, the only
way to guarantee your files will be safe is to back them up somewhere
else"

Which is the same advice Microsoft gives.


It's also just plain common sense.

The difference between me and HK is that I am presently employed by a
medium sized city (one of the larger cities in Connecticut) to oversee
the entire city network, which includes all city departments, Police,
Fire, Utilities, school system and libraries. A few more than 40
servers, and 2500+ desktops.

And this is my "retirement job"!



He's hard at work with Ullico and all of their zombies.

Dan January 12th 08 01:19 AM

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HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:21:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:07:37 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
I have a 160 GB external hard disk to which I tried to back up my
documents
and settings using the Windows backup system.

After about a half hour, I get a message saying there's not
enough room
for
the backup, and that if the hard disk is FAT 32, the backup can
be no
larger than 4 GB. So I checked, and sure enough, the external HD
is FAT
32.

Now what? I already have about 50 GB of stuff on the external HD
that I
don't want to lose by reformatting (if that's what's required).
--
John H

When you get this working properly, where will the external hard
drive be
kept most of the time?

One step at a time, Doug. That issue was part of why I suggested the
idea of buying another drive for this project to John. :')


Small enough to fit his safe deposit box at the bank, right? :-)

Probably, but that wouldn't be such a great spot for it. As I'm SURE
you know, the biggest failure of any backup plan is that if it is too
inconvenient, it won't get done. A backup stored onsite is 1000%
better than a backup that doesn't get done.

I do my backup onto an external drive and bring it to the office.



John doesn't have an office. So, when his "onsite" burns to the
ground, there goes his backup hardware, too. I'm in the same
situation. I have a choice to make: Two sets of media, one of which I
can't get to if the bank is closed. Or, no off-site media, and then
I'm phuqued if the place burns down.

Off site doesn't mean the backup doesn't get done. Use the one at home
for a week, then take it to the the safe deposit box and swap for the
other one. Or, someone else's house. Anything's better than storing
all your backup media in the same building. No sane corporation does
that, unless they have a storage arrangement like a bank's.



Feh.

I bought a used "two hour" fire safe at a bankruptcy auction to store
papers, valuables, guns and my computer backup drives. I also use an
"on-line" storage site to hold important data files.

The safe was a "steal," but it cost me mucho dinero to get it delivered
and brought into the basement. Damn thing must weigh at least half a ton.


Keep telling yourself that, Harry. Get better soon!

Dan January 12th 08 01:34 AM

Help needed - Computer stuff
 
HK wrote:
wrote:

Damn!


So, what sort of boat do you own, and where do you keep it?


This asshole is amazing! He posts his narcissistic diatribe over and
over and he still has the balls to ask for this sort of personal
information from someone else.


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