Boats, boats and more boats...
 

Spent the day, from 4 AM this morning until 5 PM this afternoon
helping my dealer set up for the New England Boat Show at the new
Boston Convention and Exhibition Center.

There were an incredible number of boats crammed into 500,000 sq. ft.
I've never been to the Jacobs center in New York which is supposedly
bigger, but this was incredible. From where we were setting up, you
could look across the center to where Bassett was setting up their Sea
Ray exhibit and the 50 footers looked like toys. In fact, I think one
of them was bigger than 50 foot, but I didn't get over there to take a
closer look at it.

As my interest is small boats (those 25' and under) with outboard
power, I kept wandering to look at other boats when there was some
down time (which there wasn't a lot of). I got up close and personal
with a Parker 2530 Extended Cabin with a 350 Yamaha on it which was in
the next booth over. I'll say this - the engine is more impressive
than the boat.

sidebar

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.

I also noticed something interesting with respect to the bracket -
there is no direct support other than where it's bolted to the
transom. I snuck a quick look at the attachment points and can
honestly say I was under whelmed at how the bracket was attached. Then
again, it must be ok - I've never heard of one falling off or
loosening up.

Another thing that was interesting was when they unloaded the boat
from the trailer to a rolling stand - it slipped back a little and the
engine hit the floor - the bracket flexed a little. I wonder if
that's a design feature for hard hits on underwater objects?

/sidebar

Anyway...

Hanging off the bracket, the engine doesn't look at large as it does
just sitting on the stand - in fact, it was a 25" shaft engine and I
measured it from skeg to top of the hood - it's not taller than my 25"
ETEC 200 HO - it is a little wider.

Under the hood - wow. There is a lot of technology there - it looked
as complicated as my ETEC. I talked to the dealer's head mechanic -
he was pretty honest in his evaluation. It has some good points, it
has some bad points - mostly related to acceleration compared to
Optimax, ETEC and Verado. According to him, fuel economy is
reasonable for it's size but you can't make a direct comparison
because of it's size. Which is a good point.

There were some boats there that were new to me - different in that
they had some rather intriguing lines and different approaches to
"multi-purpose". I can't remember all the different names - I'm going
back on Saturday for the whole day - half "on duty" and half on my own
to wander around - I'll get details then.

Long day, tiring day, but way cool looking at all the boats.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.


I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.

I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}

Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}

Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.



And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers are
interested in flash, and others are not.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}

Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.



And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers are
interested in flash, and others are not.


It would be interesting to see an honest, head to head evaluation by a
knowledgeable reviewer.
What stood out to me was the Parker's 16 degree versus 21 degree deadrise on
the Steiger.

It would be interesting to see how they each handled the same seas.

Eisboch

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:10:46 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}

Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

And much, much less quality where it counts.

Oh give it up Harry. Steigers are a high quality boat.

I've seen Steigers and Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both.

So have I.

Steigers are the equal of a Parker in every sense with one exception.

They have some style.

But some buyers are interested in flash, and others are not.

Parker owners have no sense of style. :)

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}
Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.


And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers are
interested in flash, and others are not.


It would be interesting to see an honest, head to head evaluation by a
knowledgeable reviewer.
What stood out to me was the Parker's 16 degree versus 21 degree deadrise on
the Steiger.

It would be interesting to see how they each handled the same seas.

Eisboch




Parker offers different boats with different amounts of deadrise, as
does Steiger. They are direct competitors.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:10:46 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}
Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.
And much, much less quality where it counts.

Oh give it up Harry. Steigers are a high quality boat.

I've seen Steigers and Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both.

So have I.

Steigers are the equal of a Parker in every sense with one exception.

They have some style.

But some buyers are interested in flash, and others are not.

Parker owners have no sense of style. :)

Well, that part of your statement may be true.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}
Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.


And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers are
interested in flash, and others are not.


It would be interesting to see an honest, head to head evaluation by a
knowledgeable reviewer.
What stood out to me was the Parker's 16 degree versus 21 degree deadrise
on the Steiger.

It would be interesting to see how they each handled the same seas.

Eisboch


Parker offers different boats with different amounts of deadrise, as does
Steiger. They are direct competitors.

I understand. But the two 25 footers in discussion are only 2" different in
LOA and are of the same style.

Or are you saying that both build 25 footers with different deadrise
options? I doubt it.

Eisboch

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}
Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers are
interested in flash, and others are not.

It would be interesting to see an honest, head to head evaluation by a
knowledgeable reviewer.
What stood out to me was the Parker's 16 degree versus 21 degree deadrise
on the Steiger.

It would be interesting to see how they each handled the same seas.

Eisboch

Parker offers different boats with different amounts of deadrise, as does
Steiger. They are direct competitors.

I understand. But the two 25 footers in discussion are only 2" different in
LOA and are of the same style.

Or are you saying that both build 25 footers with different deadrise
options? I doubt it.

Eisboch




Yeah, Parker does. I believe Steiger does, too. In fact, Steiger only
recently started building hulls with 21 degrees of deadrise.

But you are entitled to your doubts.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me -
in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like
somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then
painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes
on the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would
have yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}
Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers are
interested in flash, and others are not.

It would be interesting to see an honest, head to head evaluation by a
knowledgeable reviewer.
What stood out to me was the Parker's 16 degree versus 21 degree
deadrise on the Steiger.

It would be interesting to see how they each handled the same seas.

Eisboch

Parker offers different boats with different amounts of deadrise, as
does Steiger. They are direct competitors.

I understand. But the two 25 footers in discussion are only 2" different
in LOA and are of the same style.

Or are you saying that both build 25 footers with different deadrise
options? I doubt it.

Eisboch




Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model. Different
models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or 21 degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me -
in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like
somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then
painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes
on the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would
have yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}
Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.
And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers are
interested in flash, and others are not.
It would be interesting to see an honest, head to head evaluation by a
knowledgeable reviewer.
What stood out to me was the Parker's 16 degree versus 21 degree
deadrise on the Steiger.

It would be interesting to see how they each handled the same seas.

Eisboch
Parker offers different boats with different amounts of deadrise, as
does Steiger. They are direct competitors.
I understand. But the two 25 footers in discussion are only 2" different
in LOA and are of the same style.

Or are you saying that both build 25 footers with different deadrise
options? I doubt it.

Eisboch



Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model. Different
models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or 21 degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch




No, it wouldn't. Apples and oranges. IF you want to run a 21 degree
deadrise Steiger, you run it against a 21 degree deadrise Parker.

I have tested both hulls, by the way, in the Parker line in both 21 and
25 feet...16 degrees of deadrise vs. 21 degrees of deadrise.

The 21 degree deadrise boats handles the chop better, as you might
expect, and the 16 degree deadrise boats are a bit more stable at rest.
Just as you might expect. But the differences are minimal.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.

I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:12:02 -0500, HK wrote:

The 21 degree deadrise boats handles the chop better, as you might
expect, and the 16 degree deadrise boats are a bit more stable at rest.
Just as you might expect. But the differences are minimal.

If so, increase the level of chop and repeat.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.

I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.


The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

Oh give it up Harry.

sigh He never will, you know that. His will always be bigger, faster, more
stable, taste better, etc, etc, etc. AND... he will always defend his
position to the death... he's NEVER wrong. :-

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:10:46 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}

Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

And much, much less quality where it counts.

Oh give it up Harry. Steigers are a high quality boat.

I've seen Steigers and Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both.

So have I.

Steigers are the equal of a Parker in every sense with one exception.

They have some style.

But some buyers are interested in flash, and others are not.

Parker owners have no sense of style. :)

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

Mike wrote:
Oh give it up Harry.

sigh He never will, you know that. His will always be bigger, faster, more
stable, taste better, etc, etc, etc. AND... he will always defend his
position to the death... he's NEVER wrong. :-

--Mike


He is never wrong, unless he changes his position on an issue. Ask him
about his position on handguns and the no-neck, brain dead, tiny penis
handgun owners who enjoyed guns and target practice.

Oh, that was before he meet someone who would take him to Shenandoah to
shoot beer cans and stumpy.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular.

I think it's awesome that you know exactly, how much someone *doesn't* know,
about something. I also think it's awesome that you're such an expert on
*everything,* particularly politics, boating, concrete, beer, boatbuilding,
septic tank pumping, stump shooting, etc, etc.!

Dr. Phil would have a field day with you. I know we do. ;-)

--Mike

"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.

The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places where
the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The biggest
selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23 footers.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Flat water boats.

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?

Since I've had both I can tell you the answer: Low dead rise boats
will knock your fillings out in any kind of chop more than 1 foot or
so unless they are long and heavy.

I've owned a lot more small boats than large, and I've run them on
bigger water than the Patuxent River. You on the other hand, probably
do know dick, and quite possibly jack sh*t.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:03:09 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Dr. Phil would have a field day with you. I know we do. ;-)

Dr Phil would certainly get to the bottom of his low self esteem
issues. My guess is that he never lived up to his father's high
expectations.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:29:39 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Parker owners have no sense of style. :)

We surely know of one case where the owner also lacks class. Style is
in the eye of the beholder however. There is something about the high
transom Parker's no nonsense utilitarian appearance that holds a
certain amount of appeal, sort of like a good work boat. The low
transom, low deadrise models however are for river wussies.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Flat water boats.

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?

Since I've had both I can tell you the answer: Low dead rise boats
will knock your fillings out in any kind of chop more than 1 foot or
so unless they are long and heavy.

I've owned a lot more small boats than large, and I've run them on
bigger water than the Patuxent River. You on the other hand, probably
do know dick, and quite possibly jack sh*t.


If you think about it, as little as Harry uses his boat, and the fact
that he limits his boating to perfect flat water days, spends very
little time fishing when he does go out, limits his boating to a bay, a
16 degree dead rise boat, with a LT is probably adequate for Harry.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:03:09 -0800, "Mike" wrote:

Dr. Phil would have a field day with you. I know we do. ;-)

Dr Phil would certainly get to the bottom of his low self esteem
issues. My guess is that he never lived up to his father's high
expectations.


DING - Hand that man a cigar.

Boats, boats and more boats...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.

I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}

Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

Couple of a few year old Parker diesels around here. They have been
expensive disasters. The engine is so tight to the bilge that the water
that gets in, which is a lot, causes the pan to rust out. New stainless pan
is about $1700, plus a few hundred to pull the engine to replace. Couple
have had or have estimates for $25k to fix the problems. Besides boats
should not look like a 1961 model in 2007. Our local boat show in going on
at the Alameda Fair grounds. Those that have gone have been underwhelmed by
the amount of boats and overwhelmed by the prices. $85k for the new
MasterCraft fishing boat.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me -
in
particular for the money they want for it. Thing looks like
somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then
painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes
on the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would
have yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. :}
Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers
are interested in flash, and others are not.

It would be interesting to see an honest, head to head evaluation by a
knowledgeable reviewer.
What stood out to me was the Parker's 16 degree versus 21 degree
deadrise on the Steiger.

It would be interesting to see how they each handled the same seas.

Eisboch

Parker offers different boats with different amounts of deadrise, as
does Steiger. They are direct competitors.

I understand. But the two 25 footers in discussion are only 2"
different in LOA and are of the same style.

Or are you saying that both build 25 footers with different deadrise
options? I doubt it.

Eisboch




Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model.
Different models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or 21
degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch

Why are we discussing 25 footers. Harry has a 21 foot slab sided Parker.
Remember when he tried to poke fun of skippers boat with the slab sides.
Here's a stylish little number that might compare favorably with a 21
Parker. http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/511299363.html

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Flat water boats.

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?

Since I've had both I can tell you the answer: Low dead rise boats
will knock your fillings out in any kind of chop more than 1 foot or
so unless they are long and heavy.

I've owned a lot more small boats than large, and I've run them on
bigger water than the Patuxent River. You on the other hand, probably
do know dick, and quite possibly jack sh*t.



Are you still maintaining that no companies could build and sell small
wood dinghies, skiffs, and dories for $200 in the mid 1950s, Whine?

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Flat water boats.

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?

Since I've had both I can tell you the answer: Low dead rise boats
will knock your fillings out in any kind of chop more than 1 foot or
so unless they are long and heavy.

I've owned a lot more small boats than large, and I've run them on
bigger water than the Patuxent River. You on the other hand, probably
do know dick, and quite possibly jack sh*t.



I know enough not to own a 30-year-old mechanic's nightmare of a Grankd
Banks RV barge, one that cost you how much this past summer for a tranny
rebuild? $20,000?

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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.

I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.

The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:59:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:29:39 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Parker owners have no sense of style. :)

We surely know of one case where the owner also lacks class. Style is
in the eye of the beholder however. There is something about the high
transom Parker's no nonsense utilitarian appearance that holds a
certain amount of appeal, sort of like a good work boat. The low
transom, low deadrise models however are for river wussies.

The odd thing is that Steiger started out the same way - making solid,
sound workaday boats and they evolved, changed and developed.

A Parker is a Parker - look at one built 10 years ago and yesterday
and they are the same boat - nothing has changed.

I'm not saying Parker isn't a quality boat - it is, although I have my
reservations about some things just like I do about other quality
boats. There are issues with my Ranger and when I owned the
Fisharound, there were several issues I had with that boat - didn't
mean they were lousy boats.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. This company basically
builds "lobsta" boats down Maine way. They've taken the basic concept
hull and developed this:

http://www.bigpondboatshop.com/mysticmooring2.htm

This is another example of why a Parker is a Parker.

This is a 1995 Parker 23 cuddy.

http://tinyurl.com/ywcmez

This is a 2008 Parker 23 cuddy.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=10

With the exception of the stern bracket, they are the same boat
thirteen years apart.

You would think that Parker could at least update the design, change
things around - or even better, paint their boats a different color.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.


What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp
entry bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are
very popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21
and 23 footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:33:14 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp
entry bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are
very popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21
and 23 footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

I'll talk to you when you become reasonable.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:59:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:29:39 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Parker owners have no sense of style. :)
We surely know of one case where the owner also lacks class. Style is
in the eye of the beholder however. There is something about the high
transom Parker's no nonsense utilitarian appearance that holds a
certain amount of appeal, sort of like a good work boat. The low
transom, low deadrise models however are for river wussies.

The odd thing is that Steiger started out the same way - making solid,
sound workaday boats and they evolved, changed and developed.

A Parker is a Parker - look at one built 10 years ago and yesterday
and they are the same boat - nothing has changed.

I'm not saying Parker isn't a quality boat - it is, although I have my
reservations about some things just like I do about other quality
boats. There are issues with my Ranger and when I owned the
Fisharound, there were several issues I had with that boat - didn't
mean they were lousy boats.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. This company basically
builds "lobsta" boats down Maine way. They've taken the basic concept
hull and developed this:

http://www.bigpondboatshop.com/mysticmooring2.htm

This is another example of why a Parker is a Parker.

This is a 1995 Parker 23 cuddy.

http://tinyurl.com/ywcmez

This is a 2008 Parker 23 cuddy.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=10

With the exception of the stern bracket, they are the same boat
thirteen years apart.

You would think that Parker could at least update the design, change
things around - or even better, paint their boats a different color.


Parker is a successful, family owned company that sells out its entire
production every year. Most Parker owners are previous Parker owners,
and most Parkers on the used market sell quickly.

I love the fact that my 21' Parker uses the same basic hull form that
has been working well for a long, long time. The hull form has seen
refinements over the years, and there have been other changes in
configuration, accessories, equipment, and so forth, but if I park my
new boat next to a 15 year old Parker of the same model, they are going
to look very, very similar.

As I said the other day, if you want a Parker with metalflake, I am sure
some sort of accommodation could be worked out.

As a matter of fact, I do believe I have seen photos of a Parker that
came out of the factory sporting green or blue sides...I think that boat
was nicknamed "Heresy."

Parkers are like women...they have the perfect shape, with all the
important pieces and parts in just the right places. The accessories may
be a little different from model to model, but when you look at a
well-turned out one, you know it is a Parker.

These days, I can't tell a Ranger bass boat from the other 93 different
models from other bass boat manufacturers. All that metalflake, low
sides, grey carpeting...dull, dull, dull.

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Jim wrote:



Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model.
Different models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or 21
degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch

Why are we discussing 25 footers. Harry has a 21 foot slab sided Parker.
Remember when he tried to poke fun of skippers boat with the slab sides.
Here's a stylish little number that might compare favorably with a 21
Parker. http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/511299363.html

You are dead wrong on this. That boat did not have a LT.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:33:14 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.
While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.
What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp
entry bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are
very popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21
and 23 footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

I'll talk to you when you become reasonable.


Well, I am not sure what you are talking about here, Tom.
Perhaps you might want to dialogue with Richie Gaines, one of the most
successful guides on Chesapeake Bay:

http://tinyurl.com/3ys3n9




--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.


What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp entry
bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are very
popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21 and 23
footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

That's what tabs are for? I didn't know that.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.
While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp entry
bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are very
popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21 and 23
footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

That's what tabs are for? I didn't know that.

Eisboch



Mostly, I used them to balance out passenger load, because the sort of
chop we have in the bay wasn't that noticeable in my barge of a 25'
fishing boat. It was a heavy 25 footer.

With the deeper vee and a more rearward seating position on my
21-footer, I have yet to use the tabs out on the bay. I have messed with
them a little while in the harbors, but for an entirely different reason.

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.
While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp entry
bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are very
popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21 and 23
footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

That's what tabs are for? I didn't know that.

Eisboch



It is a little know fact that trim tabs can be used to lower the bow.
Only the best and brightest of blue water fisherman know this.

My concern is what would happen to a LT Parker in 1 ft. chop, it would
end up being a new reef for fish. ;)

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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats
that was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16
degree and the Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow
entry, tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular.
The biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise
21 and 23 footers.
While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp
entry bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are
very popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21
and 23 footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on
keeping on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out
of your overwide Wrangler.

That's what tabs are for? I didn't know that.

Eisboch


Mostly, I used them to balance out passenger load, because the sort of
chop we have in the bay wasn't that noticeable in my barge of a 25'
fishing boat. It was a heavy 25 footer.

With the deeper vee and a more rearward seating position on my
21-footer, I have yet to use the tabs out on the bay. I have messed with
them a little while in the harbors, but for an entirely different reason.

Harry,
I would think Eisboch's comment was tongue in cheek.

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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:46:18 -0500, HK wrote:

With the deeper vee and a more rearward seating position on my
21-footer, I have yet to use the tabs out on the bay.

That's because you can't go out on the bay in winds over 10 to 12 kts.

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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:22:45 -0500, HK wrote:

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?


Let's try answering the question this time instead of changing the
subject.