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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:46:18 -0500, HK wrote:

With the deeper vee and a more rearward seating position on my
21-footer, I have yet to use the tabs out on the bay.

That's because you can't go out on the bay in winds over 10 to 12 kts.




Sure, D'whine. Right. Of course.

How much did that tranny repair cost you on that clapped out old RV
barge you use to commute from Florida to New England every year?

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On Jan 8, 9:01*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. *Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.

I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. *:}

Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

That Steiger is a beauty!

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On Jan 8, 9:10*pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:10 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Why Parker doesn't put some styling on their boats is beyond me - in
particular for the money they want for it. *Thing looks like somebody
put a box on top of a box with a pointy thing at one end then painted
it one solid color of dull beige.
I'm sure if you begged, Parker would metalflake a hull, put stripes on
the cabin, and maybe add tailfins on the gunnels. Then you would have
yourself a boat as stylish as...a Ranger. *:}

Here's a Parker.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=17

Here's a similar Steiger.

http://steigercraft.com/main/docs/bo....cfm?boatid=45

Ain't no comparison - the Steiger has some style and flair to it.

Even in monochrome.

And much, much less quality where it counts. I've seen Steigers and
Parkers side by side and have crawled aboard both. But some buyers are
interested in flash, and others are not.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Was your Hatt flashy?

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On Jan 8, 11:56*pm, "Mike" wrote:
Oh give it up Harry.

sigh He never will, you know that. His will always be bigger, faster, more
stable, taste better, etc, etc, etc. AND... he will always defend his
position to the death... he's NEVER wrong. :-

--Mike

And that goes for everything, not just boats. Food, beer, bait,
computers, printers, and on and on.

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On Jan 9, 7:41*am, HK wrote:

These days, I can't tell a Ranger bass boat from the other 93 different
models from other bass boat manufacturers. All that metalflake, low
sides, grey carpeting...dull, dull, dull.- Hide quoted text -

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Then you don't know a hell of a lot.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:22:45 -0500, HK wrote:

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?


Let's try answering the question this time instead of changing the
subject.



Actually, W'hine, in the sorts of boats under discussion, I've seen
boats and literature on boats with deadrises of 14, 16, 17, 18. 19, 20,
21, and 24 degrees. I'm not personally aware of a boat with a 23-degree
deadrise at the stern, but I'm sure it is possible and in fact, is being
done.

In this area, there are some substantial fishing boats with what is
called a "Chesapeake deadrise" hull. What do you think is the deadrise
at the stern on those boats?

How much did you pay for that tranny repair, D'whine? And have you
amended your tale about the selling price of small wood boats made in
the mid 1950's?

Or are you still shoveling that "Wayne knows best" b.s.?

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On Jan 9, 6:22*am, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Flat water boats.

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s? *

Since I've had both I can tell you the answer: *Low dead rise boats
will knock your fillings out in any kind of chop more than 1 foot or
so unless they are long and heavy.

I've owned a lot more small boats than large, and I've run them on
bigger water than the Patuxent River. *You on the other hand, probably
do know dick, and quite possibly jack sh*t.

I know enough not to own a 30-year-old mechanic's nightmare of a Grankd
Banks RV barge, one that cost you how much this past summer for a tranny
rebuild? $20,000?- Hide quoted text -

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How much is the tranny rebuild on your lobster boat?

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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:25:56 -0500, HK wrote:

How much did that tranny repair cost you

What difference does it make?

If you spent more time working and less time posting nonsense to the
internet, you could probably afford a larger boat and the associated
maintenance. Does your wife know how much time you waste here?

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:25:56 -0500, HK wrote:

How much did that tranny repair cost you

What difference does it make?

If you spent more time working and less time posting nonsense to the
internet, you could probably afford a larger boat and the associated
maintenance. Does your wife know how much time you waste here?



Awwwwwwww. Now D'whine is getting "personal," just like the rest of the
right-wing trashmeisters.

Got any more knowledge about the selling price of small wood boats in
the 1950's you'd like to share?

Oh, if I wanted an old, clapped-out floating RV of a boat, I'd pop up to
Deale this afternoon and buy one. There can't be more than 50 of them up
on blocks and for sale.

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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:34:19 -0500, HK wrote:

are you still shoveling that "Wayne knows best" b.s.?

There is no question that you are expert on bovine excrement.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:34:19 -0500, HK wrote:

are you still shoveling that "Wayne knows best" b.s.?

There is no question that you are expert on bovine excrement.



After seven years of Bush, everyone is.

What's your prediction on the next unscheduled five-figure maintenance
item on that clapped out old barge of yours? Engine rebuild?

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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:34:19 -0500, HK wrote:

are you still shoveling that "Wayne knows best" b.s.?

There is no question that you are expert on bovine excrement.



After seven years of Bush, everyone is.

What's your prediction on the next unscheduled five-figure maintenance
item on that clapped out old barge of yours? Engine rebuild?

Have you looked at the same photos I have of Wayne's boat. It looks
like a beautiful well maintained boat, that is used more in a week, than
yours in a year. If you had ever used your boats, you would find that
they do require maintenance, and a big boat does cost more than a tiny
boat.

Just becuase you can not afford it, does not make it wrong.

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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:59:50 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:34:19 -0500, HK wrote:

are you still shoveling that "Wayne knows best" b.s.?

There is no question that you are expert on bovine excrement.



After seven years of Bush, everyone is.

What's your prediction on the next unscheduled five-figure maintenance
item on that clapped out old barge of yours? Engine rebuild?

Harry, do you get 'cool' credits for gloating over the misfortune of others
or hoping for additional misfortune?

You're definitely a piece of work.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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On Jan 9, 9:45*am, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:25:56 -0500, HK wrote:

How much did that tranny repair cost you

What difference does it make?

If you spent more time working and less time posting nonsense to the
internet, you could probably afford a larger boat and the associated
maintenance. *Does your wife know how much time you waste here?

Awwwwwwww. Now D'whine is getting "personal," just like the rest of the
right-wing trashmeisters.

Got any more knowledge about the selling price of small wood boats in
the 1950's you'd like to share?

I am guessing Wayne is a man of character. I would imagine he would
gladly admit being mistaken about the price of boats 50 years ago.
Then you could admit to being mistaken about owning a Lobsta' boat;)


Oh, if I wanted an old, clapped-out floating RV of a boat, I'd pop up to
Deale this afternoon and buy one. There can't be more than 50 of them up
on blocks and for sale.

Relevance? Real world experience, and without an agenda tells me I am
seeing a lot more boats your size for sale on blocks.

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On Jan 9, 10:38*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 9, 9:45 am, HK wrote:
Oh, if I wanted an old, clapped-out floating RV of a boat, I'd pop up to
Deale this afternoon and buy one. There can't be more than 50 of them up
on blocks and for sale.

Relevance? Real world experience, and without an agenda tells me I am
seeing a lot more boats your size for sale on blocks.

Gee, really? Do you think that might have to do with the fact that there
probably are 1000 times more 21 footers around than boats twice that size?

Gosh.

Math major, eh?

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

You really think guys like Wayne, Chuck and Dick are as affected by
the price of petrol as guys like you and most other mid range bay boat
owners? Economics major, huh?

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
Jim wrote:



Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model.
Different models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or 21
degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch

Why are we discussing 25 footers. Harry has a 21 foot slab sided Parker.
Remember when he tried to poke fun of skippers boat with the slab sides.
Here's a stylish little number that might compare favorably with a 21
Parker. http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/511299363.html

You are dead wrong on this. That boat did not have a LT.

I wasn't talking about Harry's defective transom. Just the slab sides. Pay
attention. :-)

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Jim wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
message . ..
Jim wrote:



Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model.
Different models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or
21 degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats
that was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree
and the Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch

Why are we discussing 25 footers. Harry has a 21 foot slab sided
Parker. Remember when he tried to poke fun of skippers boat with the
slab sides.
Here's a stylish little number that might compare favorably with a 21
Parker. http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/511299363.html

You are dead wrong on this. That boat did not have a LT.

I wasn't talking about Harry's defective transom. Just the slab sides.
Pay attention. :-)


My bad, sorry for missing that.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
...
Jim wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
. ..
Jim wrote:



Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model.
Different models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or 21
degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch

Why are we discussing 25 footers. Harry has a 21 foot slab sided
Parker. Remember when he tried to poke fun of skippers boat with the
slab sides.
Here's a stylish little number that might compare favorably with a 21
Parker. http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/511299363.html

You are dead wrong on this. That boat did not have a LT.

I wasn't talking about Harry's defective transom. Just the slab sides.
Pay attention. :-)


My bad, sorry for missing that.

Not a problem at all. Did you get a chance to look at that boat? It makes
Harry's look like a cardboard box.

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Jim wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
message ...
Jim wrote:

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in
message . ..
Jim wrote:



Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model.
Different models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees
or 21 degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats
that was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16
degree and the Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch

Why are we discussing 25 footers. Harry has a 21 foot slab sided
Parker. Remember when he tried to poke fun of skippers boat with
the slab sides.
Here's a stylish little number that might compare favorably with a
21 Parker. http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/511299363.html

You are dead wrong on this. That boat did not have a LT.

I wasn't talking about Harry's defective transom. Just the slab
sides. Pay attention. :-)


My bad, sorry for missing that.

Not a problem at all. Did you get a chance to look at that boat? It
makes Harry's look like a cardboard box.

Yes, I am sure Harry is kicking himself in the butt for buying that LTP. ;)

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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and
the Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.

The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.


With low transoms, too!

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Are you still maintaining that no companies could build and sell small
wood dinghies, skiffs, and dories for $200 in the mid 1950s, Whine?

That has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with his statement. Pretty ****-poor
debating skills.

--Mike

"HK" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

Flat water boats.

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s? Since I've had
both I can tell you the answer: Low dead rise boats
will knock your fillings out in any kind of chop more than 1 foot or
so unless they are long and heavy.

I've owned a lot more small boats than large, and I've run them on
bigger water than the Patuxent River. You on the other hand, probably
do know dick, and quite possibly jack sh*t.



Are you still maintaining that no companies could build and sell small
wood dinghies, skiffs, and dories for $200 in the mid 1950s, Whine?

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I'll talk to you when you become reasonable.

LOL! He will never stop!

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:33:14 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp
entry bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are
very popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21
and 23 footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

I'll talk to you when you become reasonable.