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JoeSpareBedroom January 3rd 08 04:15 AM

Handicapping Iowa...
 
"BAR" wrote in message
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Do you have a problem voting for a guy with ethics and morals?



Are you referring to Mike "Mr. Ethics Investigations" Huckabee? Please.

"According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also been
colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his
integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a
nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of
state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.” And what
was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather
than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics
commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down."


Aren't you going to bring up Barak's little land deal in Chicago or
Hillary's involvement in Whitewater?



Why should anyone mention them? You have no problem with those issues. You
just said so.



D.Duck January 3rd 08 04:24 AM

Handicapping Iowa...
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there.

Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody
else.

I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over
Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say
within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will
all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total.

Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over
Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a
surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from
other states.

Now I need to call my bookie. :)

Your bookie is taking action on the primaries? That is sad. I'm
assuming even the bookies are also it hard by the current real estate
slump.

Bookies make money no matter what. They set the line so all candidates
/ games get the same amount of money bet on each side. They take the
vig. the difference in what is bet and what is paid out.



They "hope" the same amount of money is bet on both sides. A bookie can
loose his patooie if all the money goes to one side and that side wins.
Most times when bookies find themselves one-sided on a particular wager
they attempt to lay off the excess from the over weighted side,


That is what the line is for. Start getting too much money one way, they
change the line.


That doesn't always work. There are instances where a lay-off is the only
answer. I knew several bookies in Chicago, in fact one bought a house of
mine, and am quite familiar with their procedures.



Calif Bill January 3rd 08 06:05 AM

Handicapping Iowa...
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"DownTime" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there.

Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody
else.

I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over
Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say
within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will
all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total.

Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over
Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a
surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from
other states.

Now I need to call my bookie. :)

Your bookie is taking action on the primaries? That is sad. I'm
assuming even the bookies are also it hard by the current real estate
slump.

Bookies make money no matter what. They set the line so all candidates
/ games get the same amount of money bet on each side. They take the
vig. the difference in what is bet and what is paid out.


They "hope" the same amount of money is bet on both sides. A bookie can
loose his patooie if all the money goes to one side and that side wins.
Most times when bookies find themselves one-sided on a particular wager
they attempt to lay off the excess from the over weighted side,


That is what the line is for. Start getting too much money one way, they
change the line.


That doesn't always work. There are instances where a lay-off is the only
answer. I knew several bookies in Chicago, in fact one bought a house of
mine, and am quite familiar with their procedures.


But is real reason for the line. And smaller bookies have to lay off bigger
bets as they do not have the activity and can end up with more one way than
the other way. Have not known any bookies for a lot of years now, but had
coworkers would used them a lot.



D.Duck January 3rd 08 08:55 AM

Handicapping Iowa...
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

"DownTime" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and
there.

Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody
else.

I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over
Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say
within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will
all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total.

Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over
Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a
surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from
other states.

Now I need to call my bookie. :)

Your bookie is taking action on the primaries? That is sad. I'm
assuming even the bookies are also it hard by the current real estate
slump.

Bookies make money no matter what. They set the line so all
candidates / games get the same amount of money bet on each side.
They take the vig. the difference in what is bet and what is paid out.


They "hope" the same amount of money is bet on both sides. A bookie
can loose his patooie if all the money goes to one side and that side
wins. Most times when bookies find themselves one-sided on a particular
wager they attempt to lay off the excess from the over weighted side,


That is what the line is for. Start getting too much money one way,
they change the line.


That doesn't always work. There are instances where a lay-off is the
only answer. I knew several bookies in Chicago, in fact one bought a
house of mine, and am quite familiar with their procedures.


But is real reason for the line. And smaller bookies have to lay off
bigger bets as they do not have the activity and can end up with more one
way than the other way. Have not known any bookies for a lot of years
now, but had coworkers would used them a lot.



Agreed. They wish for equal amounts on either side of a proposition. The
can live very nicely on the juice (vig).



Short Wave Sportfishing January 3rd 08 11:14 AM

Handicapping Iowa...
 
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:39:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:55:51 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Until the NCAA basketball tournament comes around that is. :)


I'm not much of a basketball fan, but I think the NCAA tournament is the
most exciting sports event around.


It is usually full of accident's in the first couple of rounds. But, by
the time they get to the final four the Cinderella story teams have been
eliminated.


True, but every once in a while you get an Oral Roberts or BYU or
Gonzaga show up and run the table.

HK January 3rd 08 11:17 AM

Handicapping Iowa...
 
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and
there.

Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody
else.

I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four
points over
Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say
within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden,
Krazyinich will
all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total.

Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over
Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a
surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up
from
other states.

Now I need to call my bookie. :)


Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine.


I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class,
and I agree he has a spine, but...

I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the
torture issue.

McCain is a twit and always has been a twit. He should have gone
to jail with the rest of the Keating Five. He was crooked then
and is crooked now.

McCain has done more damage to this country then he could ever do
good.


Geez...you're such an *angry* little scheisskopf...

Not angry just determined to see McCain go down in flames again.



Who are you hoping to vote for? Mike Huckleberry?



Do you have a problem voting for a guy with ethics and morals?



Are you referring to Mike "Mr. Ethics Investigations" Huckabee? Please.

"According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also
been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about
his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use
of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction
of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.” And
what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations?
Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state
ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down."


Aren't you going to bring up Barak's little land deal in Chicago or
Hillary's involvement in Whitewater?





You're the one who tried the present Huckleberry as "Mr. Moral." He ain't.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

HK January 3rd 08 11:18 AM

Handicapping Iowa...
 
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message ...
Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here
and there.

Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then
everybody
else.

I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four
points over
Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards -
say
within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden,
Krazyinich will
all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total.

Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over
Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a
surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up
from
other states.

Now I need to call my bookie. :)


Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine.


I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class,
and I agree he has a spine, but...

I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on
the torture issue.

McCain is a twit and always has been a twit. He should have gone
to jail with the rest of the Keating Five. He was crooked then
and is crooked now.

McCain has done more damage to this country then he could ever
do good.


Geez...you're such an *angry* little scheisskopf...

Not angry just determined to see McCain go down in flames again.



Who are you hoping to vote for? Mike Huckleberry?



Do you have a problem voting for a guy with ethics and morals?


Are you referring to Mike "Mr. Ethics Investigations" Huckabee?
Please.

"According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also
been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about
his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his
use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his
destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s
office.” And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics
allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee
sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the
ethics process down."






And of course Huckabee is a total numnutz on foreign policy issues.
In that, he's certainly following in Bush's footsteps.


Hillary and Obama don't have foreign policy bona fides either.



Both of them and my favorite pet cat have more knowledge of foreign
policy than Huckleberry.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Short Wave Sportfishing January 3rd 08 11:18 AM

Handicapping Iowa...
 
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:59:50 -0500, BAR wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:54:14 -0000, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:40:16 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


As a person, I like McCain - as a President I could find him acceptable
- Keating Five beside the point. I'm not exaclty sure how involved he
was in it other than doing what he was supposed to do with a constituent
who contributed to his political organization.

Considering that he was the only Republican involved, it does leave one
to wonder.
The Senate Ethics Committee Special Counsel recommended McCain and Glenn
be dropped from the investigation, but there is speculation that didn't
happen because he was the lone Republican.


Exactly.


Are you saying that two former Naval aviators, one who circled the earth
and the other who survived years as a POW, and both elected US Senators
were granted special dispensation for being too stupid to stay out of a
criminal enterprise?


Not at all.

Based on the evidence at the time, Glenn and McCain were very marginal
players with the Ethics Committee not exactly sure what it was that
they did wrong.

[email protected] January 3rd 08 11:46 AM

Handicapping Iowa...
 
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:50:13 -0500, BAR wrote:


http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/


Why does slate.com want McCain as a the Republican nominee for
president? There is too much media involvement in rehabilitating
McCain's image.


Oh come on, that article was written in 2000.

BAR January 3rd 08 12:57 PM

Handicapping Iowa...
 
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message ...
Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here
and there.

Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then
everybody
else.

I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four
points over
Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards
- say
within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden,
Krazyinich will
all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total.

Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over
Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a
surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show
up from
other states.

Now I need to call my bookie. :)


Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine.


I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class,
and I agree he has a spine, but...

I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on
the torture issue.

McCain is a twit and always has been a twit. He should have
gone to jail with the rest of the Keating Five. He was crooked
then and is crooked now.

McCain has done more damage to this country then he could ever
do good.


Geez...you're such an *angry* little scheisskopf...

Not angry just determined to see McCain go down in flames again.



Who are you hoping to vote for? Mike Huckleberry?



Do you have a problem voting for a guy with ethics and morals?


Are you referring to Mike "Mr. Ethics Investigations" Huckabee?
Please.

"According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also
been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about
his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his
use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his
destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s
office.” And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics
allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee
sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the
ethics process down."






And of course Huckabee is a total numnutz on foreign policy issues.
In that, he's certainly following in Bush's footsteps.


Hillary and Obama don't have foreign policy bona fides either.



Both of them and my favorite pet cat have more knowledge of foreign
policy than Huckleberry.



If you combine your cat's with Barak's and Hillary's foriegn policy
experience I could agree to that.



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