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Brightening economic outlook?
On Jan 2, 1:25*pm, HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... | | | | I hope you're right but I doubt it. *The housing market | is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and | credit card debt is at an all time high. | | I've worked for the same | company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and | watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early | 90's. *Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years | and its a miricle we're still here. *Unfortunately, the | writing is on the wall as we have enough money left | for about 1 more pay period. *Too bad its not boating | season as it looks like I might have some free time on | my hands coming up. | | Don | |I hate to hear stories like that. *Is the downturn in your industry economy |related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material? | |Eisboch *(went through many close calls over the years) Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your printing/publishing has gone offshore..... Thank goodness that isn't true for printing jobs of my clients. We print only with U.S. or Canadian shops, and with U.S./Canadian paper and inks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What about the electronic components in all of the machines used? Do you check those to make sure they are all made in the U.S. or Canada? |
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On Jan 2, 12:41*pm, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in messagenews:LpydnXZpepmgVubanZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@gigan ews.com... "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message .. . I hope you're right but I doubt it. *The housing market is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and credit card debt is at an all time high. I've worked for the same company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early 90's. *Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years and its a miricle we're still here. *Unfortunately, the writing is on the wall as we have enough money left for about 1 more pay period. *Too bad its not boating season as it looks like I might have some free time on my hands coming up. Don I hate to hear stories like that. *Is the downturn in your industry economy related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material? Computer/Digital technology is the culprit. *Most folks are happy with the quality of color copies (or the like) rather than *real* offset printing. Eisboch *(went through many close calls over the years) We've had so many I've lost count but Im afraid its a little too close this time. Just the same, I hope you're right about the economy. *I would like to see the real estate market rebound soon. db- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is there a possiblilty that your company could change tactics, perhaps start getting into computer technology? I personally send electronically produced drawings to a local shop to have sets made, stapled and bound. They'll even overnight them via UPS to whomever I want them to go, then back charge me for it. |
Brightening economic outlook?
"HK" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... | | | | I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market | is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and | credit card debt is at an all time high. | | I've worked for the same | company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and | watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early | 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years | and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the | writing is on the wall as we have enough money left | for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating | season as it looks like I might have some free time on | my hands coming up. | | Don | |I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy |related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material? | |Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years) Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your printing/publishing has gone offshore..... Thank goodness that isn't true for printing jobs of my clients. We print only with U.S. or Canadian shops, and with U.S./Canadian paper and inks. The newsprint/paper mills here are having a rough time lately. The soaring loonie makes our stuff that much more expensive to American buyers. I have a brother-in-law who works at the Stora Mill. http://www.storaenso.com/CDAvgn/main...-4371-,00.html Last month an American company bought the mill after the Finnish owners wrang every concession out of the provincial gov't and the workers union. What usually follows next is more arm twisting and then closure with the machinery shipped to Mexico or elsewhere. latest examples... http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...r-trenton.html http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.c...article/164528 |
Brightening economic outlook?
I'm suure you're right Harry. Some of those boats get sold, because
some people don't use them enough to have money tied up in them, especially if they have to pay storage fees etc. or they figure they can sell it outright and do better than trading them in for a larger/ better craft. Around here paople sell them because they want some 4- wheeler to go deer hunting or just romping though the woods. One thing I DON'T see on the used market very much is bass/fishing style boats. seems that they get used eyar around on the local lakes. and when they do come up for sale, they don't last in the yard very long before someone snipes them up really quick. HK wrote: Tim wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: I'll betcha that by May or June all the talk will be about how robust the US economy is. Eisboch In the face of another half million American families losing their homes, the creation of mostly "McJob" jobs, a few million more Americans without health insurance, slumping retail sales, and a few more cuts in the prime rate that have no impact? Are you pimping for a job in the remains of the Bush Administration? :} Heh. Hardly. Just reporting a promising trend amidst all the doom and gloom we get saturated with everyday. Eisboch Well, I've said this before, that if Ebay is any kind of an economic barometer, I've noticed that "used" boats are selling higher than the same compatable crafts did a couple years ago. This winter which is usually seems to be a buyers market. Boats are tending to sell for better than in the spring time when people are boat hungry with tax refund checks in hand. There sure seem to be a lot of boats for sale. I passed three on my visit down to the bay yesterday, and they weren't out there on the edge of the road last week. Went down to the nearby marina and also saw a lot of FOR SALE signs, especially on the larger boats. Didn't see or notice any prices, just a lot of FOR SALE signs. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. D-unit wrote: Small offset printing Gene. We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones) AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc... We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would fight over who was going to get to work on it.) Don "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I've worked for the same |company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and |watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early |90's. Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing? Been there done that.... it sucks.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all manner of campaigns! -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Hell, AB Dick 360's are practically free these days. Supplies aren't however. db |
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wrote in message ... On Jan 2, 12:41 pm, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in messagenews:LpydnXZpepmgVubanZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@gigan ews.com... "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message .. . I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and credit card debt is at an all time high. I've worked for the same company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the writing is on the wall as we have enough money left for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating season as it looks like I might have some free time on my hands coming up. Don I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material? Computer/Digital technology is the culprit. Most folks are happy with the quality of color copies (or the like) rather than *real* offset printing. Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years) We've had so many I've lost count but Im afraid its a little too close this time. Just the same, I hope you're right about the economy. I would like to see the real estate market rebound soon. db- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is there a possiblilty that your company could change tactics, perhaps start getting into computer technology? I personally send electronically produced drawings to a local shop to have sets made, stapled and bound. They'll even overnight them via UPS to whomever I want them to go, then back charge me for it. We actually have evolved in that way for many years now. Lets just say that the store hasn't been minded well as of late..... long story snipped Its most irrelevent at this point Im afraid. db |
Brightening economic outlook?
"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. D-unit wrote: Small offset printing Gene. We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones) AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc... We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would fight over who was going to get to work on it.) Don "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I've worked for the same |company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and |watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early |90's. Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing? Been there done that.... it sucks.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all manner of campaigns! -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Hell, AB Dick 360's are practically free these days. Supplies aren't however. db My brother was president of AB Dick in the early 90's. |
Brightening economic outlook?
"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... wrote in message news:4eceeb75-d4c2-4916-ba85- Is there a possiblilty that your company could change tactics, perhaps start getting into computer technology? I personally send electronically produced drawings to a local shop to have sets made, stapled and bound. They'll even overnight them via UPS to whomever I want them to go, then back charge me for it. We actually have evolved in that way for many years now. Lets just say that the store hasn't been minded well as of late..... long story snipped Its most irrelevent at this point Im afraid. db That's a shame. There's a lot more to a company than the current technology it uses. Trust, relationships developed with customers over the years and name recognition are what the company. I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. (Hint, hint). Eisboch |
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D-unit wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. D-unit wrote: Small offset printing Gene. We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones) AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc... We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would fight over who was going to get to work on it.) Don "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I've worked for the same |company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and |watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early |90's. Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing? Been there done that.... it sucks.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all manner of campaigns! -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Hell, AB Dick 360's are practically free these days. Supplies aren't however. HP practically gives away printers. But, charges an arm and a leg for a toner or ink cartridge. |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. |
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HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... | | | | I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market | is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and | credit card debt is at an all time high. | | I've worked for the same | company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and | watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early | 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years | and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the | writing is on the wall as we have enough money left | for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating | season as it looks like I might have some free time on | my hands coming up. | | Don | |I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy |related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material? | |Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years) Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your printing/publishing has gone offshore..... Thank goodness that isn't true for printing jobs of my clients. We print only with U.S. or Canadian shops, and with U.S./Canadian paper and inks. You forgot to put the plug in for US or Canadian Union Labor/Labour. |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:23:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. Don't just send it to him, put it 'over there' so we can all rejoice. -- JohnH "Opa of 6" |
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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:23:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. Don't just send it to him, put it 'over there' so we can all rejoice. -- JohnH "Opa of 6" Please. I have a couple of people who would get a real kick out of the Navy drowning song. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. I got envious of Mrs.E's "system" (which I bought, set up and optimized), so today I set out on a mission and found another SACD player for "my" setup. Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...p/B00005AVNHin three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison. SACD rules!Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. I got envious of Mrs.E's "system" (which I bought, set up and optimized), so today I set out on a mission and found another SACD player for "my" setup. Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...p/B00005AVNHin three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison. SACD rules!Eisboch I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. It doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them. I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. I got envious of Mrs.E's "system" (which I bought, set up and optimized), so today I set out on a mission and found another SACD player for "my" setup. Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...p/B00005AVNHin three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison. SACD rules!Eisboch I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. It doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them. I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs. Eisboch Dog slobber plays hell with keyboards. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:58:45 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. I got envious of Mrs.E's "system" (which I bought, set up and optimized), so today I set out on a mission and found another SACD player for "my" setup. Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...p/B00005AVNHin three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison. SACD rules!Eisboch I don't like that rendition as much as the original by Telarc, but it's still a great CD. Now you've got me wanting to hear it. -- JohnH "Opa of 6" |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. I got envious of Mrs.E's "system" (which I bought, set up and optimized), so today I set out on a mission and found another SACD player for "my" setup. Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...p/B00005AVNHin three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison. SACD rules!Eisboch I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. It doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them. I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs. Stop using it as a crumb catcher. |
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On Jan 2, 8:39�am, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:59:52 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Jan 1, 4:31?am, "Eisboch" wrote: Having a small company that is involved in large, capital equipment type contracts has certain advantages. ?One of them, that I noticed years ago, is that the level of new orders almost always reflects an accurate prediction of which way the general economy was heading, usually about 6 months before it became a current topic of discussion in the media. Last year my former company (now my oldest son's) had a tough year with a major slowdown in new order activity and, in some cases, cancellation or postponement of planned orders by several customers. ?The situation was not unique to the company as many others involved in similar, high cost capital equipment businesses experienced the same slowdown. This has all changed. ?In the past 30 days the company has received over $6M in new contracts and the quoting activity for more has picked up substantially. ?If this continues, and past history says it will, 2008 will be a very busy year. ?I'll betcha that by May or June all the talk will be about how robust the US economy is. Eisboch Well let's hope so. Boat sales in the Pacific NW, measured in units, were off 17% 3Q07 vs. 3Q06. The Marine Trade association tired to put a bright spin on the numbers, noting that the dollar volume of the sales was actually 1% higher than last year. The dollar volume is less meaningful, as boats that sell for more money also cost more money, and a 17% dip in volume is going to wipe out a lot more gross profit than a 1% increase in total sales dollars will restore. The higher total dollar volume coupled with the 17% dip in unit sales reflects the fact that Wally Lunchbucket is a lot more woried about his job, his budget, the cost of fuel, and so forth than is Daddy Warbucks. I sense very little slowdown in the $500k and up market (not that it's ever a beehive of activity).......but a lot of the small, trailer boat guys selling new boats for under $100k are singing the blues. Let's see what happens this spring. The economy is cyclical, regardless of which political party is in power. Every so often it slows down, and all the marginal operators who are so inefficient that they are barely making it when things are booming get weeded out by reality. That's probably a good thing in the long run. I do pity the poor FED. What a quandry. So much of the stuff we buy to day is imported that low interest rates *really* fuel inflation. Not only do people borrow for more consumer spending, but the low rates depress the US dollar on the exchanges and as a result the prices for almost everything go up. Raise the rates to shore up the dollar, and while prices will not be driven up as quickly by a weak foreign exchange our less-than-robust economy can hardly afford a slow down in consumer spending due to higher monthly payments. What do you think increasing taxes will do to our 'less than robust' economy, Chuck? -- � JohnH "Opa of 6"- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The key isn't necessarily increasing taxes, it's striking a balance between the government income (taxation) and government spending. This could be done by decreasing government spending. No tax increase needed. Unfortunately, however, there is *no* political party willing to decrease spending. Exhibit A: In all the years since Andrew Jackson was president (the last time there was no national debt) up through January of 2001, the US managed to run up a debt of $5.7trillion. For the first six of the almost seven years elapsed under the current administration, a single party controlled the white house and the congress. There was nothing to prevent that party from instituting some fiscal discipline if it desired. Instead, we watched a debt that took over 150 years to go from zero to $5.7 trillion escalate to well over $9 trillion in the last seven years. (and no, it didn't go up $3 trillion when the D's took over in congress) Making the US a beggar nation on the international street corner, turning our currency into toilet paper and our IOU's into "junk bonds" will tube the economy more surely and more permanently than taking Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and anybody else who lives almost exclusively on capital gains and dividends back out of the 15% tax bracket. But please understand, I'm *not* strictly in favor of a tax increase. I'm in favor of fiscal sanity in the federal budget. Cut the level of Federal expenditures to a point where they are no higher than tax receipts, (maybe a little lower so we can pay off some of this debt), and it would look to me like no tax increase needed. Since the special interest groups will stop funding the current thieves on both sides of the aisle if $lop stops pouring into the trough; I'm not optimistic that any spending will be decreased. We know that the R's didn't, wouldn't, couldn't, do it in the six years they had a free hand- and I don't expect anything different if the D's get the WH and hold onto congress next year. |
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On Jan 2, 7:21*pm, BAR wrote:
D-unit wrote: "HK" wrote in messagenews:Dvydnfmi0MgXUubanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comca st.com... D-unit wrote: Small offset printing Gene. We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones) AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc... We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think Im going to miss having access to that the most. *It came in quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would fight over who was going to get to work on it.) Don "Gene Kearns" wrote in messagenews:lginn39h5lp82o6rqkpjacrmpj1afh0l2u@4ax .com... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I've worked for the same |company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and |watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early |90's. Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing? Been there done that.... it sucks.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com- *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all manner of campaigns! -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Hell, AB Dick 360's are practically free these days. Supplies aren't however. HP practically gives away printers. But, charges an arm and a leg for a toner or ink cartridge.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We did the math one day on ink and it came to over $5,000 per gallon. It is a raquet. If Blumental wants to go after unfair business practices, he should check out the major printer companies. (Blumental refers to the CT states atty. gen. Very prominent in the spanking microsoft took over the last years...) |
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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. I got envious of Mrs.E's "system" (which I bought, set up and optimized), so today I set out on a mission and found another SACD player for "my" setup. Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...p/B00005AVNHin three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison. SACD rules!Eisboch I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. It doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them. I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs. Eisboch More power to you. My research shows otherwise. You will, of course, see some members believe you, despite what you post. Some just cannot think on their own. I am sure one or two will come around shortly. Have fun with it. To each their own. Happy New Year to you and your family. You and Harry do bring out the best in people. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Dog slobber plays hell with keyboards. Maybe *that's* it! I wonder what "handle" he's been using.... Eisboch |
Brightening economic outlook?
"BAR" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. It doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them. I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs. Stop using it as a crumb catcher. That's probably it. I've been doing some minor construction in the general area that the computer sits in and I haven't always taken precautions to cover it or even close the display (it's a laptop). It probably is loaded with sawdust and drywall dust. Eisboch |
Brightening economic outlook?
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:34:17 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: On Jan 2, 8:39?am, John H. wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:59:52 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Jan 1, 4:31?am, "Eisboch" wrote: Having a small company that is involved in large, capital equipment type contracts has certain advantages. ?One of them, that I noticed years ago, is that the level of new orders almost always reflects an accurate prediction of which way the general economy was heading, usually about 6 months before it became a current topic of discussion in the media. Last year my former company (now my oldest son's) had a tough year with a major slowdown in new order activity and, in some cases, cancellation or postponement of planned orders by several customers. ?The situation was not unique to the company as many others involved in similar, high cost capital equipment businesses experienced the same slowdown. This has all changed. ?In the past 30 days the company has received over $6M in new contracts and the quoting activity for more has picked up substantially. ?If this continues, and past history says it will, 2008 will be a very busy year. ?I'll betcha that by May or June all the talk will be about how robust the US economy is. Eisboch Well let's hope so. Boat sales in the Pacific NW, measured in units, were off 17% 3Q07 vs. 3Q06. The Marine Trade association tired to put a bright spin on the numbers, noting that the dollar volume of the sales was actually 1% higher than last year. The dollar volume is less meaningful, as boats that sell for more money also cost more money, and a 17% dip in volume is going to wipe out a lot more gross profit than a 1% increase in total sales dollars will restore. The higher total dollar volume coupled with the 17% dip in unit sales reflects the fact that Wally Lunchbucket is a lot more woried about his job, his budget, the cost of fuel, and so forth than is Daddy Warbucks. I sense very little slowdown in the $500k and up market (not that it's ever a beehive of activity).......but a lot of the small, trailer boat guys selling new boats for under $100k are singing the blues. Let's see what happens this spring. The economy is cyclical, regardless of which political party is in power. Every so often it slows down, and all the marginal operators who are so inefficient that they are barely making it when things are booming get weeded out by reality. That's probably a good thing in the long run. I do pity the poor FED. What a quandry. So much of the stuff we buy to day is imported that low interest rates *really* fuel inflation. Not only do people borrow for more consumer spending, but the low rates depress the US dollar on the exchanges and as a result the prices for almost everything go up. Raise the rates to shore up the dollar, and while prices will not be driven up as quickly by a weak foreign exchange our less-than-robust economy can hardly afford a slow down in consumer spending due to higher monthly payments. What do you think increasing taxes will do to our 'less than robust' economy, Chuck? -- ? JohnH "Opa of 6"- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The key isn't necessarily increasing taxes, it's striking a balance between the government income (taxation) and government spending. This could be done by decreasing government spending. No tax increase needed. Unfortunately, however, there is *no* political party willing to decrease spending. Exhibit A: In all the years since Andrew Jackson was president (the last time there was no national debt) up through January of 2001, the US managed to run up a debt of $5.7trillion. For the first six of the almost seven years elapsed under the current administration, a single party controlled the white house and the congress. There was nothing to prevent that party from instituting some fiscal discipline if it desired. Instead, we watched a debt that took over 150 years to go from zero to $5.7 trillion escalate to well over $9 trillion in the last seven years. (and no, it didn't go up $3 trillion when the D's took over in congress) Making the US a beggar nation on the international street corner, turning our currency into toilet paper and our IOU's into "junk bonds" will tube the economy more surely and more permanently than taking Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and anybody else who lives almost exclusively on capital gains and dividends back out of the 15% tax bracket. But please understand, I'm *not* strictly in favor of a tax increase. I'm in favor of fiscal sanity in the federal budget. Cut the level of Federal expenditures to a point where they are no higher than tax receipts, (maybe a little lower so we can pay off some of this debt), and it would look to me like no tax increase needed. Since the special interest groups will stop funding the current thieves on both sides of the aisle if $lop stops pouring into the trough; I'm not optimistic that any spending will be decreased. We know that the R's didn't, wouldn't, couldn't, do it in the six years they had a free hand- and I don't expect anything different if the D's get the WH and hold onto congress next year. Chuck, to keep a group of people, primarily undereducated, beholding to the D's will require a *lot* of money for handouts, whatever form they take. Let's not be coy. -- Quote of the day: "I did get to use that condom when I was 13, and several more that summer, thanks to a "fast" 14 year old young lady..." (Harry Krause, bragging again!) John H |
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On Jan 2, 8:36*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new *directions.. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. *Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. I got envious of Mrs.E's "system" *(which I bought, set up and optimized), so today I set out on a mission and found another SACD player for "my" setup. Sorry, JimH. * I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...nnati-Multicha... three formats, *SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison.. SACD rules!Eisboch I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. *It doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them. I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs. Eisboch More power to you. *My research shows otherwise. Please show this research, I'll bet there are others besides me that would love to see it. Include the data you've compiled, please. |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:45:27 -0800 (PST),
wrote: On Jan 2, 7:21*pm, BAR wrote: D-unit wrote: "HK" wrote in messagenews:Dvydnfmi0MgXUubanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comca st.com... D-unit wrote: Small offset printing Gene. We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones) AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc... We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think Im going to miss having access to that the most. *It came in quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would fight over who was going to get to work on it.) Don "Gene Kearns" wrote in messagenews:lginn39h5lp82o6rqkpjacrmpj1afh0l2u@4ax .com... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I've worked for the same |company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and |watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early |90's. Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing? Been there done that.... it sucks.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com- *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all manner of campaigns! -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Hell, AB Dick 360's are practically free these days. Supplies aren't however. HP practically gives away printers. But, charges an arm and a leg for a toner or ink cartridge.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We did the math one day on ink and it came to over $5,000 per gallon. It is a raquet. If Blumental wants to go after unfair business practices, he should check out the major printer companies. (Blumental refers to the CT states atty. gen. Very prominent in the spanking microsoft took over the last years...) Since I've discovered Costco's photo printing, my ink usage has gone to almost nothing. With these kind of prices, printing photos at home makes no sense. 4x6" - 17¢ each 5x7" - 39¢ each 8x10" - $1.49 each 8x12" - $1.49 each -- Quote of the day: "I did get to use that condom when I was 13, and several more that summer, thanks to a "fast" 14 year old young lady..." (Harry Krause, bragging again!) John H |
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On Jan 2, 4:20*pm, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote:
wrote in ... On Jan 2, 12:41 pm, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in messagenews:LpydnXZpepmgVubanZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@gigan ews.com... "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message .. . I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and credit card debt is at an all time high. I've worked for the same company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the writing is on the wall as we have enough money left for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating season as it looks like I might have some free time on my hands coming up. Don I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material? Computer/Digital technology is the culprit. Most folks are happy with the quality of color copies (or the like) rather than *real* offset printing. Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years) We've had so many I've lost count but Im afraid its a little too close this time. Just the same, I hope you're right about the economy. I would like to see the real estate market rebound soon. db- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is there a possiblilty that your company could change tactics, perhaps start getting into computer technology? I personally send electronically produced drawings to a local shop to have sets made, stapled and bound. They'll even overnight them via UPS to whomever I want them to go, then back charge me for it. We actually have evolved in that way for many years now. Lets just say that the store hasn't been minded well as of late..... Understood. When in college, I worked for a company that, even as a part time employee, and still a tad naive as far as business practices go, even I got the fact that they were running themselves into the ground! |
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:33:15 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. It doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them. I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs. Stop using it as a crumb catcher. That's probably it. I've been doing some minor construction in the general area that the computer sits in and I haven't always taken precautions to cover it or even close the display (it's a laptop). It probably is loaded with sawdust and drywall dust. Eisboch Hey! We're talking nineteen bucks! Go get a new one. Hell, buy two or three so you don't have to waste gas next time! http://tinyurl.com/27hd3j I'm a proud owner of this one, which costs a little more, but works well. http://tinyurl.com/2h6hjw -- Quote of the day: "I did get to use that condom when I was 13, and several more that summer, thanks to a "fast" 14 year old young lady..." (Harry Krause, bragging again!) John H |
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"John H." wrote in message ... Quote of the day: "I did get to use that condom when I was 13, and several more that summer, thanks to a "fast" 14 year old young lady..." (Harry Krause, bragging again!) John H "Bragging" implys that he's telling the truth. |
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wrote:
On Jan 2, 8:36 pm, "JimH" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions. Yep. However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome. Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps Hymn on my new toy. If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to you. It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs! Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds. I got envious of Mrs.E's "system" (which I bought, set up and optimized), so today I set out on a mission and found another SACD player for "my" setup. Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...nnati-Multicha... three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison. SACD rules!Eisboch I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. It doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them. I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs. Eisboch More power to you. My research shows otherwise. Please show this research, I'll bet there are others besides me that would love to see it. Include the data you've compiled, please. From my limited reading, it seems that SACD has a "warmer" "smoother" tone than DVD-A, but to me the reason SACD might become "THE" format is it's ability to be played on by both SACD player and conventional CD player. You can listen to it in your home SACD player and car conventional CD player, and probably the most important feature is the retailer will not have to double his inventory to provide HD audio. |
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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:33:15 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. It doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them. I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs. Stop using it as a crumb catcher. That's probably it. I've been doing some minor construction in the general area that the computer sits in and I haven't always taken precautions to cover it or even close the display (it's a laptop). It probably is loaded with sawdust and drywall dust. Eisboch Hey! We're talking nineteen bucks! Go get a new one. Hell, buy two or three so you don't have to waste gas next time! http://tinyurl.com/27hd3j I'm a proud owner of this one, which costs a little more, but works well. http://tinyurl.com/2h6hjw -- Quote of the day: "I did get to use that condom when I was 13, and several more that summer, thanks to a "fast" 14 year old young lady..." (Harry Krause, bragging again!) John H The ONLY keyboard I will use now is the ergonimic/natural keyboard. They really do make a world of difference when typing a long report. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=4861577 or http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=5238395 Once you try ergonomic, you will never go back, especially if it is black. |
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Jim wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... Quote of the day: "I did get to use that condom when I was 13, and several more that summer, thanks to a "fast" 14 year old young lady..." (Harry Krause, bragging again!) John H "Bragging" implys that he's telling the truth. We are talking about Lobster boy here, but JohnH would be more accurate if he said "fabricating again". |
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wrote in message ... On Jan 2, 8:36 pm, "JimH" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...nnati-Multicha... three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison. SACD rules!Eisboch More power to you. My research shows otherwise. Please show this research, I'll bet there are others besides me that would love to see it. Include the data you've compiled, please. JimH provided some links to tests performed on the various formats that suggest SACD as being inferior. If so inclined, one could Google up tests indicating otherwise, but it doesn't matter. Sterile laboratory tests of frequency response, modulation percentages, sampling rates, etc. of small, little snippets of a recording on a computer are interesting, but don't reflect a whole bunch of other immeasurable aspects of the content. Since the early days of "Hi-Fi", recordings have been modified and biased to correct for deficiencies in the media, vinyl, tape and optical disks and standards developed. Then you have to take into account the quality of the home equipment used to play the recordings and the acoustics of the room. Heck, even symphony halls, like Boston's have acoustic panels installed to correct for standing waves that alter the original, live sounds of the orchestra instruments. I am not an audiophile by any means and the equipment I have is not top shelf, "high end" stuff. I'd say it's better than the average home music systems though. Despite the computer snippet analysis of the waveforms in the laboratory tests, SACD sounds best on my systems, followed by DVD-A, and then CD. That opinion is not just mine. I've done my own version of "blind tests" on cooperative subjects that enjoy music and they all, without exception, share my conclusion, picking the SACD recordings over DVD-A and certainly CD. There's no way even the best of the CDs I have (probably a couple of the non-SACD Telarc Samplers) comes close to a well recorded and mixed SACD. It also takes some time to properly setup and adjust a total music system, but it's well worth the effort. For example, with some peaking, tweaking and experimentation, the subwoofer ends up producing nice, clear, tight bass rather than the thumps you often hear in the stores. If using a surround sound system playing Dolby, DTS or THX encoded data, things like the audio delay settings are critical, depending on room size. When I get a new amp I don't even bother unpacking the microphone that usually comes with them for "Automatic" setup adjustments to compensate for room acoustics. Instead, I spend hours playing with the system, making adjustments until it sounds "right". I just wish more variety and selections were available on SACD media. Unfortunately it probably won't happen because of the influence and convenience of mp3's played on iPod docking stations and ear "pods". It's too bad. Eisboch |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. D-unit wrote: Small offset printing Gene. We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones) AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc... We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would fight over who was going to get to work on it.) Don "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I've worked for the same |company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and |watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early |90's. Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing? Been there done that.... it sucks.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all manner of campaigns! -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Hell, AB Dick 360's are practically free these days. Supplies aren't however. db My brother was president of AB Dick in the early 90's. Those were the days my friend. AB Dick was manufacturing 28 9800 series presses a day, and our equipment installed on about 1/2 of those. I visited the factory on Touhy Ave. many times back in those days. That building was massive. (never met the prez. though, just the marketing/tech guys) Fun times indeed. They have since been bought out by "Presstech". db |
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:18:51 -0500, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com
wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. D-unit wrote: Small offset printing Gene. We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones) AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc... We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would fight over who was going to get to work on it.) Don "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I've worked for the same |company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and |watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early |90's. Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing? Been there done that.... it sucks.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all manner of campaigns! -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Hell, AB Dick 360's are practically free these days. Supplies aren't however. db My brother was president of AB Dick in the early 90's. Those were the days my friend. AB Dick was manufacturing 28 9800 series presses a day, and our equipment installed on about 1/2 of those. I visited the factory on Touhy Ave. many times back in those days. That building was massive. (never met the prez. though, just the marketing/tech guys) Fun times indeed. They have since been bought out by "Presstech". My ma was a linotype operator in Chicago, finishing out with Black Dot. Set the type for Playboy for years, and remarked about how many revisions they did to "Letters to the Editor." That's my only connection to printing. --Vic |
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"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. D-unit wrote: Small offset printing Gene. We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones) AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc... We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would fight over who was going to get to work on it.) Don "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I've worked for the same |company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and |watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early |90's. Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing? Been there done that.... it sucks.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all manner of campaigns! -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Hell, AB Dick 360's are practically free these days. Supplies aren't however. db My brother was president of AB Dick in the early 90's. Those were the days my friend. AB Dick was manufacturing 28 9800 series presses a day, and our equipment installed on about 1/2 of those. I visited the factory on Touhy Ave. many times back in those days. That building was massive. (never met the prez. though, just the marketing/tech guys) Fun times indeed. They have since been bought out by "Presstech". db Yep, my brother said when British GE, I think that was the name, bought ABD, the hand writing was on the wall. As a point of interest, my brother and I grew up about 5 miles west of ABD and two blocks south of Touhy. I, not he, hunted rabbits in the '50s on the land where ABD now stands. I started my career with AT&T across the street from ABD at what in the 60s was Teletype Corp. We moved out of that building in '89 and moved to Naperville. Then in '92 I transferred down here to Florida and retired in '94. Haven't been back in the winter since! |
Brightening economic outlook?
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jan 2, 8:36 pm, "JimH" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...nnati-Multicha... three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison. SACD rules!Eisboch More power to you. My research shows otherwise. Please show this research, I'll bet there are others besides me that would love to see it. Include the data you've compiled, please. JimH provided some links to tests performed on the various formats that suggest SACD as being inferior. If so inclined, one could Google up tests indicating otherwise, but it doesn't matter. Sterile laboratory tests of frequency response, modulation percentages, sampling rates, etc. of small, little snippets of a recording on a computer are interesting, but don't reflect a whole bunch of other immeasurable aspects of the content. Since the early days of "Hi-Fi", recordings have been modified and biased to correct for deficiencies in the media, vinyl, tape and optical disks and standards developed. Then you have to take into account the quality of the home equipment used to play the recordings and the acoustics of the room. Heck, even symphony halls, like Boston's have acoustic panels installed to correct for standing waves that alter the original, live sounds of the orchestra instruments. I am not an audiophile by any means and the equipment I have is not top shelf, "high end" stuff. I'd say it's better than the average home music systems though. Despite the computer snippet analysis of the waveforms in the laboratory tests, SACD sounds best on my systems, followed by DVD-A, and then CD. That opinion is not just mine. I've done my own version of "blind tests" on cooperative subjects that enjoy music and they all, without exception, share my conclusion, picking the SACD recordings over DVD-A and certainly CD. There's no way even the best of the CDs I have (probably a couple of the non-SACD Telarc Samplers) comes close to a well recorded and mixed SACD. It also takes some time to properly setup and adjust a total music system, but it's well worth the effort. For example, with some peaking, tweaking and experimentation, the subwoofer ends up producing nice, clear, tight bass rather than the thumps you often hear in the stores. If using a surround sound system playing Dolby, DTS or THX encoded data, things like the audio delay settings are critical, depending on room size. When I get a new amp I don't even bother unpacking the microphone that usually comes with them for "Automatic" setup adjustments to compensate for room acoustics. Instead, I spend hours playing with the system, making adjustments until it sounds "right". I just wish more variety and selections were available on SACD media. Unfortunately it probably won't happen because of the influence and convenience of mp3's played on iPod docking stations and ear "pods". It's too bad. Eisboch I only care whether the sound I hear for the music I like sounds close at home to the way it sounds in a concert hall. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
Brightening economic outlook?
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:48:57 -0500, WaIIy penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |That's total baloney. | |You obviously know nothing about the printing industry. | |Look at "little" companies like RR Donnelley and Quebecor, to |name just two. | |Consolidation has been happening in the printing business for years. First, I'd like to observe your post as a lame-ass troll.... but, I'll calmly respond. That seems important to some.... RR Donnelley.... what can I say? This is straight from their web site: "We provide integrated onsite-offshore Business Process Outsourcing services to Fortune 500 companies and to professional services firms through our operations in North America, Europe, India, Sri Lanka and the Philippines. Our judgment-based outsourcing solutions address a variety of needs for vertical segments that include financial services, publishing, manufacturing, transportation, telecommunications, healthcare, advertising, investment banking and more." http://www.rrdonnelley.com/wwwRRD1/S...fficeTiger.asp A rose by any other name???? What does "offshore" mean to you? Quebecor? What has that got to do with anything? Their "global presence" doesn't even include a location in the US. They don't even make a pretext of being "ONshore!" Your posting address shows West Monroe, LA. I used to call frequently on a printing outfit there - Manville. If you are anywhere near there, you must know the story of Manville = Riverwood = Riverwood Holding (which is now "...a global packaging company..." ). As I calmly noted, a lame-ass troll devoid of any truth.... but you knew that. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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