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Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 07 12:06 AM

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had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.

John H.[_3_] December 28th 07 12:14 AM

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.


I liked mine and have already told the nephew I've got first dibs when he
gets ready to sell or trade it. He agrees.

HK December 28th 07 12:20 AM

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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.


Sounds like operator error to me.

Ever consider a bicycle? ;-)


That requires balance.
Tricycle...

http://tinyurl.com/2ook2l

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George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Don White December 28th 07 12:29 AM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.


*Courtesy of Consumer Reports...*
Ratings Full-sized pickups

The Ratings rank vehicles on how well they scored in our tests,
regardless of price or reliability. Recommended models () tested well, have
shown average or better reliability, and performed adequately if
crash-tested or included in a government rollover test.


indicates Quick Pick.
Excellent Very good Good Fair Poor


Quick Picks Make & model In this issue Overall road-test score Price
as tested Predicted reliability



FULL-SIZED CREW-CAB PICKUPS

Chevrolet Avalanche LT (5.3)
73. $46,560 new
Toyota Tundra SR5 TRD (5.7)
. 69. 34,738
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 LT2 (5.3)
. 65. 37,235 new
Nissan Titan SE (5.6)
62. 36,520
Ford F-150 XLT (5.4)
. 52. 36,705
Dodge Ram 1500 SLT (5.7)
. 48. 38,370
HEAVY-DUTY DIESEL PICKUPS

Chevrolet Silverado 2500 LTZ (6.6)
. 57. 50,149 new
Dodge Ram 2500 Laramie (6.7)
. 38. 50,070
Ford F-250 Lariat (6.4)
. 37. 50,735 new



















Chuck Gould December 28th 07 12:34 AM

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On Dec 27, 4:06�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. �Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. �This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.


How to pick your next truck, (boat, car, RV, etc).

Visit the dealership, but *don't* head into the showroom. Instead, go
around back and see what's going on in the repair shop. Odds are that
regardless of brand name, you'll find one or two major engine
overhauls in progress, some tranny work, and no need to mention
brakes, steering, ignition tunes, emissions work etc. The owners of
the vehicles undergoing the most total and complete repairs will be
quick to tell you that their Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, or what-not
is a giant POS (!).
So, begin by identifying the brand that doesn't require any repairs
after sale.

Should you be unsuccessful in finding any brand of vehicle or vessel
that is exempt from breakdown and repair, then it's down to choosing
the one you like the most and figuring out how to get a good deal. :-)

Larry December 28th 07 01:07 AM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in
:

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.



GM? Why swap one piece of **** for another?

Quit wavin the flag and buy what's BEST for YOU not American Corporations.
GM's truck isn't made in USA, no more than Ford's is....

AS much of the Toyota is made in USA as the GMC.

Larry
--
I worked hard under Social Security since I was 12.
My SS retirement check is one oz of gold per month.
Can we afford to start any more wars for corporations?

Mike[_6_] December 28th 07 01:24 AM

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Get a Dodge Ram... you won't be sorry.

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.




Sunk December 28th 07 01:45 AM

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On Dec 27, 7:06*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.


I load cars for a living on trucks, and we've had 1 Expedition almost
go off over the front due to brake failure.
Something is going wrong with the Ford brakes. I, personally have had
the brakes feel REAL spongy in the Fords, and almost lost one myself.
We have to make sure the dam things work before we can load em'
now.Fords DO have the best frames...IMO
GMCs have the flimsiest frames I've ever seen. Stronach makes em right
here in the town Im in, and they (Stronach) also own the Temp Service
that staffs the plant. Talk about the rich "double-dipping". I have
distorted the tie-down holes on several units just from cranking the
chain tight.
Wanna know whats good and bad...ask me. We dont haul them all (the
real high end stuff) but handle all the domestics.You should see the
****ty undercoating jobs on the YJ Jeeps. I'd never buy one.

Sunk December 28th 07 01:47 AM

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Sounds like operator error to me.

Ever consider a bicycle? *;-)

Thats a sad ****ing thing to say.

I guess the Pharmacy hasnt delivered your Meds yet...

Eisboch December 28th 07 01:52 AM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.



That sucks big time. Ford owes you a brand new truck or a full refund ....
your choice.

Eisboch




JoeSpareBedroom December 28th 07 01:56 AM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.




So, just for comic relief, have they explained the causes of these problems
yet? And, when will you driving it through the dealership's front window, a
la Dirty Harry?



Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 07 02:08 AM

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:52:07 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.


That sucks big time. Ford owes you a brand new truck or a full refund ....
your choice.


Yes and there are going to be discussions starting at 8 tomorrow
morning.

One I can understand - two, maybe.

Six in 20,000 miles? No Freakin Way.

The scary thing was the brakes - no warning, no nothing - just gone.
If I had been towing the Ranger, I would have killed somebody.

When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.

The insult to injury part annoyed me - something broke in the engine
and it's related to the brakes. If it is a vacuum line, that's
bull**** and I'm getting a different truck.

The more I think about it the madder I'm getting.

Should never have sold the F-250.

Don White December 28th 07 02:14 AM

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.


*Courtesy of Consumer Reports...*
Ratings Full-sized pickups

The Ratings rank vehicles on how well they scored in our tests,
regardless of price or reliability. Recommended models () tested well,
have shown average or better reliability, and performed adequately if
crash-tested or included in a government rollover test.


indicates Quick Pick.
Excellent Very good Good Fair Poor


Quick Picks Make & model In this issue Overall road-test score
Price as tested Predicted reliability



FULL-SIZED CREW-CAB PICKUPS


What the $%$^%..
This chart looked good when I sent it.
Bottom line... the Tundra scored very well.



Sunk December 28th 07 02:16 AM

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How long have you been here *Sunk*?


Long enough to see you're an ignorant ****.

Ernest Scribbler December 28th 07 02:26 AM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote
The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood.


Some sort of fault in the vacuum operated brake-booster?



Reginald P. Smithers III[_4_] December 28th 07 02:28 AM

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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.



That sucks big time. Ford owes you a brand new truck or a full refund ....
your choice.

Eisboch




I would definitely check the lemon laws in your state.

Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 07 02:28 AM

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:26:48 -0500, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote
The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood.


Some sort of fault in the vacuum operated brake-booster?


You mean there actually is a vacuum brake booster?

What the hell kind of nonsense is that?

Jim December 28th 07 02:30 AM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:52:07 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..

had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.


That sucks big time. Ford owes you a brand new truck or a full refund
....
your choice.


Yes and there are going to be discussions starting at 8 tomorrow
morning.

One I can understand - two, maybe.

Six in 20,000 miles? No Freakin Way.

The scary thing was the brakes - no warning, no nothing - just gone.
If I had been towing the Ranger, I would have killed somebody.

When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.

The insult to injury part annoyed me - something broke in the engine
and it's related to the brakes. If it is a vacuum line, that's
bull**** and I'm getting a different truck.

The more I think about it the madder I'm getting.

Should never have sold the F-250.


Vaccum pressure? Wassat.


BAR December 28th 07 02:30 AM

And after the trip...
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.


I just got finished taking the 2001 F-150 SuperCrew 5.4L V8 on a 1200
mile round trip to Louisville, KY. Up the mountains, down the mountains,
in the vallies and on the plains. Not a grunt, groan or screech from the
trusty old engine or the rest of the vehicle.



JoeSpareBedroom December 28th 07 02:38 AM

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.


*Courtesy of Consumer Reports...*
Ratings Full-sized pickups

The Ratings rank vehicles on how well they scored in our tests,
regardless of price or reliability. Recommended models () tested well,
have shown average or better reliability, and performed adequately if
crash-tested or included in a government rollover test.


indicates Quick Pick.
Excellent Very good Good Fair Poor


Quick Picks Make & model In this issue Overall road-test score
Price as tested Predicted reliability



FULL-SIZED CREW-CAB PICKUPS


What the $%$^%..
This chart looked good when I sent it.
Bottom line... the Tundra scored very well.



Always copy stuff like that into Notepad first, to see what it'll really
look like as pure text. Edit as needed, then copy and POST.



Ernest Scribbler December 28th 07 02:38 AM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote
You mean there actually is a vacuum brake booster?
What the hell kind of nonsense is that?


Big round thing between the master cylinder and the firewall. Almost all
cars have them. They rarely fail.

http://www.google.com/search?q=brake%20vacuum%20assist



JoeSpareBedroom December 28th 07 02:39 AM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.



Right. Why be happy? What would be the point? Sure, Toyotas need service
like any other vehicle, but they tend not to have STUPID problems like
Fords.



Eisboch December 28th 07 02:42 AM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.


It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system operate off
of engine vacuum? I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the older ones
did.

Eisboch



BAR December 28th 07 02:58 AM

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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.


It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system operate off
of engine vacuum? I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the older ones
did.


The newer ones do run off of vacuum pressure.

Ernest Scribbler December 28th 07 03:24 AM

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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote
They rarely fail.


.... but what you described sounds like what happens when they do. Did the
brakes totally go away, or did you lose the power-assist? (The latter could
easily feel like a total loss if it happened unexpectedly.)



JoeSpareBedroom December 28th 07 03:25 AM

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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
...
"Ernest Scribbler" wrote
They rarely fail.


... but what you described sounds like what happens when they do. Did the
brakes totally go away, or did you lose the power-assist? (The latter
could easily feel like a total loss if it happened unexpectedly.)



That's exactly what it feels like. In my son's car, it was like pressing
against a thick stack of cardboard, until he REALLY leaned on the pedal.
(This was part of an exercise in a large empty parking lot). It can feel
like there's no more you can push to get results, but there IS more.



Wayne.B December 28th 07 03:58 AM

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.


Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


JoeSpareBedroom December 28th 07 04:03 AM

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.


Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


But then, there'd be nothing to talk about.

In an obtuse way, this reminds me of:

Q: How many old women does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Oh, don't worry about me. I'll just sit here in the dark.



Tim December 28th 07 04:08 AM

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On Dec 27, 8:58*pm, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. *I said what? *I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.


It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system operate off
of engine vacuum? *I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the older ones
did.


The newer ones do run off of vacuum pressure.


Off a vacuum pump.

BAR December 28th 07 05:56 AM

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Tim wrote:
On Dec 27, 8:58 pm, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.
It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system operate off
of engine vacuum? I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the older ones
did.

The newer ones do run off of vacuum pressure.


Off a vacuum pump.


No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source.


Eisboch December 28th 07 08:23 AM

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.


Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


I'd consider one. In fact, I have. I just don't care for the styling.

Eisboch



Wayne.B December 28th 07 09:55 AM

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:23:37 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.


Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


I'd consider one. In fact, I have. I just don't care for the styling.

Eisboch


To me, long term reliability and durability are a lot more important
than styling unless the appearance is truly butt ugly. Styles come
and go but I like to buy vehicles that will still be around and
running well in ten years, kind of like a Grand Banks trawler. :-)


Reginald P. Smithers III[_4_] December 28th 07 11:07 AM

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BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Dec 27, 8:58 pm, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.
It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system
operate off
of engine vacuum? I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the
older ones
did.
The newer ones do run off of vacuum pressure.


Off a vacuum pump.


No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source.


Doesn't the transmission also use vacuum pressure in some manner?


Eisboch December 28th 07 11:50 AM

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:23:37 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


I'd consider one. In fact, I have. I just don't care for the styling.

Eisboch


To me, long term reliability and durability are a lot more important
than styling unless the appearance is truly butt ugly. Styles come
and go but I like to buy vehicles that will still be around and
running well in ten years, kind of like a Grand Banks trawler. :-)


True enough. I'll look at them again next the next time I get the itch for
a new truck.

Hey ... are the exterior rails on the GBs teak or mahogany? Gene asked
about finishing teak and I wasn't sure what the wood was. I wonder because
the ones on Mrs.E's GB were refinished 3 years ago using a varnish that
still reveals the wood grain rather than Cetal that hides it and they have
held up very well. If they are teak, whatever the marina guys used is good
stuff and sticks to the oily teak.

Eisboch




Don White December 28th 07 12:48 PM

And after the trip...
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


Always copy stuff like that into Notepad first, to see what it'll really
look like as pure text. Edit as needed, then copy and POST.



Thanks Doug.. I'll try that next time.



Ed December 28th 07 12:58 PM

And after the trip...
 
After 30 years of ford trucks I still like them. They tend to have
more issues in the first year but then run forever. My dad bought one
new and the rear motor mounts were faulty... at 1000 miles the engine
tilted into the radiator and caused all kinds of damage...sold that one
at 325,000 miles and the next owner drove it for years.

I got my wife a new Expedition in 98 and she hated the 3rd seat
arrangement so I got her a Toyota Sequoia in 02 and I took the
expedition. The Sequoia has been in the shop at LEAST quarterly for
stupid little things including: Rear window motor (They told us we
didn't use it enough... needs to go up and down at least weekly..), the
indicator light for DRIVE (light bulb-no warranty for that), 3 times for
the engine light going on....something about a loose gas cap or a
faulty gas cap sensor.. huh???), several fit and finish issues, etc etc)

My 98 Expedition has had OIL and now a new transmission 10 years later
(Hmmm... am I writing this on rec.boats?... wonder why I need a new
transmission after only 10 years....)

I know Toyotas have a good rep for quality but in my extremely small
sample size I am not convinced.



Eisboch wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:23:37 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


I'd consider one. In fact, I have. I just don't care for the styling.

Eisboch


To me, long term reliability and durability are a lot more important
than styling unless the appearance is truly butt ugly. Styles come
and go but I like to buy vehicles that will still be around and
running well in ten years, kind of like a Grand Banks trawler. :-)



True enough. I'll look at them again next the next time I get the itch for
a new truck.

Hey ... are the exterior rails on the GBs teak or mahogany? Gene asked
about finishing teak and I wasn't sure what the wood was. I wonder because
the ones on Mrs.E's GB were refinished 3 years ago using a varnish that
still reveals the wood grain rather than Cetal that hides it and they have
held up very well. If they are teak, whatever the marina guys used is good
stuff and sticks to the oily teak.

Eisboch





Tim December 28th 07 01:17 PM

And after the trip...
 
On Dec 27, 8:08*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Should never have sold the F-250.-


I thought it got total'd out?

Tim December 28th 07 01:21 PM

And after the trip...
 
On Dec 27, 11:56*pm, BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:


Off a vacuum pump.


No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source.


When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK,
they've always used a pump


John H.[_3_] December 28th 07 01:26 PM

And after the trip...
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:38:52 -0500, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote
You mean there actually is a vacuum brake booster?
What the hell kind of nonsense is that?


Big round thing between the master cylinder and the firewall. Almost all
cars have them. They rarely fail.

http://www.google.com/search?q=brake%20vacuum%20assist


I had one fail in a Volvo, but in the opposite manner. It would activate
when the brake pedal was pressed, but would then keep applying the brakes
until they locked up.

Eisboch December 28th 07 01:27 PM

And after the trip...
 

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Dec 27, 11:56 pm, BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:


Off a vacuum pump.


No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source.


When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK,
they've always used a pump

Maybe you are thinking of the "air" pump that was installed in all cars to
inject clean air into the exhaust to "improve" emission readings.

Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older car's
features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers (on really
old cars).

Eisboch




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