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wrote: had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because... The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush. Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot. In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth major failure in 20 thousand miles. No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it. I am looking at GMC though. Dude, I have gotten pretty good with our new Tom Tom.. You are aware that it lags a little right. I mean, when it says "turn right now" you are not really to the turn yet. You knew that, right? Glad everyones all right. Talk to you later... |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:06:26 -0500, HK wrote:
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wrote: On Dec 27, 7:06 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because... The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush. Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot. In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth major failure in 20 thousand miles. No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it. I am looking at GMC though. Dude, I have gotten pretty good with our new Tom Tom.. You are aware that it lags a little right. I mean, when it says "turn right now" you are not really to the turn yet. You knew that, right? Glad everyones all right. Talk to you later... You guys really need these devices to find your way around town?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My wife drives a lot at night and is newer to the area... I don't think the money was wasted. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:06:26 -0500, HK wrote: You guys really need these devices to find your way around town? No, but when you are not around town. But then again, a good road atlas has done me well for years. Me too till I got old. Now to read an atlas I have to pull over, turn on extra lights as the interiors in both cars suck, and change to my other higher powered reading glasses. If I can't remember all the turns, I have to do it again, and again, and again.... |
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BAR wrote: Tim wrote: On Dec 27, 8:58 pm, BAR wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always thought they ran off the power steering assist pump. It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system operate off of engine vacuum? I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the older ones did. The newer ones do run off of vacuum pressure. Off a vacuum pump. No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source. Doesn't the transmission also use vacuum pressure in some manner? On some Ford transmissions it does. I had a C4 transmission that had the modulator valve's diaphragm rupture and start sucking transmission fluid into the intake manifold which produced a dense cloud of white smoke behind me as I drove down the Interstate. Seven dollar part, back in the day, and it could have ruined my transmission if I had kept driving. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 11:56 pm, BAR wrote: Tim wrote: Off a vacuum pump. No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source. When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK, they've always used a pump Maybe you are thinking of the "air" pump that was installed in all cars to inject clean air into the exhaust to "improve" emission readings. Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older car's features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers (on really old cars). Eisboch Didn't you just love it when you stepped on the accelerator and wipers slowed or stopped? |
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D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 11:56 pm, BAR wrote: Tim wrote: Off a vacuum pump. No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source. When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK, they've always used a pump Maybe you are thinking of the "air" pump that was installed in all cars to inject clean air into the exhaust to "improve" emission readings. Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older car's features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers (on really old cars). Eisboch Didn't you just love it when you stepped on the accelerator and wipers slowed or stopped? Only when going uphill, if memory serves. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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"HK" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 11:56 pm, BAR wrote: Tim wrote: Off a vacuum pump. No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source. When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK, they've always used a pump Maybe you are thinking of the "air" pump that was installed in all cars to inject clean air into the exhaust to "improve" emission readings. Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older car's features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers (on really old cars). Eisboch Didn't you just love it when you stepped on the accelerator and wipers slowed or stopped? Only when going uphill, if memory serves. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Up hill was the worst case scenario but even flat land heavy acceleration was a problem. It did seem to vary somewhat depending on the car brand. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 11:56 pm, BAR wrote: Tim wrote: Off a vacuum pump. No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source. When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK, they've always used a pump Maybe you are thinking of the "air" pump that was installed in all cars to inject clean air into the exhaust to "improve" emission readings. Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older car's features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers (on really old cars). Eisboch Didn't you just love it when you stepped on the accelerator and wipers slowed or stopped? Only when going uphill, if memory serves. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Up hill was the worst case scenario but even flat land heavy acceleration was a problem. It did seem to vary somewhat depending on the car brand. Most of my cars in those days were either grossly underpowered or Jeeps, which I believe had electric motors attached to the windshield and which drove the wipers. |
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On Dec 27, 7:06*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because... The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush. Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot. In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth major failure in 20 thousand miles. No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it. I am looking at GMC though. After changing your underwear, don't hesitate to buy another Ford. These things happen. It could, and does happen with any manufacturer. I'd give them a chance to make it right, as in a different truck, not fixing that one. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:24:28 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:
Me too till I got old. Now to read an atlas I have to pull over, turn on extra lights as the interiors in both cars suck, and change to my other higher powered reading glasses. If I can't remember all the turns, I have to do it again, and again, and again.... I knew I was in trouble when I bought a Rand McNally with the BIG print. Of course because of the print it lacked the detail. So, I still got lost. When I leave "town", I now use a GPS puck with my laptop, just in case. |
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On Dec 27, 7:16*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:09f8n354tm1npk6fgmg1qfn5m41fi43nsm@4ax .com... had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because... The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush. Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot. In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth major failure in 20 thousand miles. Sounds like operator error to me. Ever consider a bicycle? *;-) How in hell does a brake failure sound like operator error? |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:50:29 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Hey ... are the exterior rails on the GBs teak or mahogany? They are teak. Our boats were built in Singpore and teak was actually less expensive than mahogany. |
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On Dec 28, 10:17*am, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:06:04 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 27, 7:16*pm, "JimH" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:09f8n354tm1npk6fgmg1qfn5m41fi43nsm@4ax .com... had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because... The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush. Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot. In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth major failure in 20 thousand miles. Sounds like operator error to me. Ever consider a bicycle? *;-) How in hell does a brake failure sound like operator error? Who BOUGHT the piece of s##t? Sounds like operator error to me!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How in the hell would anybody know that a certain vehicle will turn out to be a lemon? |
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... On Dec 28, 10:17 am, wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:06:04 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 27, 7:16 pm, "JimH" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:09f8n354tm1npk6fgmg1qfn5m41fi43nsm@4ax .com... had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because... The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush. Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from under the hood. Brand new engine to boot. In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth major failure in 20 thousand miles. Sounds like operator error to me. Ever consider a bicycle? ;-) How in hell does a brake failure sound like operator error? Who BOUGHT the piece of s##t? Sounds like operator error to me!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How in the hell would anybody know that a certain vehicle will turn out to be a lemon? +++++++++++++++++ Learning about other people's past experiences with a product is one way to at least weigh the odds of getting a lame product. For instance, my 92 Taurus came with an interesting standard featu A fusible link covered by what my mechanic called a "salt collector" - a hard plastic shroud which funneled water and road salt right into the electrical connection, which was located down near the starter motor. It was such an obviously bad design that he and I decided it was a prank, not a mistake. It crippled my car one day, which required towing. The materials to fix (redesign) the thing cost about 38 cents. Based on that, it's safe to assume Ford is still doing similar things with their vehicles. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:27:28 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older car's features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers (on really old cars). Just reading through this, I now understand what you mean by vacuum assist - I thought we were talking about a vacuum system like air brakes. My IH L-110 operated a ton of stuff off a vacuum pump - what a PITA. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:32:29 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because... The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush. Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from under the hood. Brand new engine to boot. In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth major failure in 20 thousand miles. No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it. I am looking at GMC though. Quite simply.... the answer: http://tinyurl.com/39lnx5 Freightliner? No way. International? Bet 'cher patootie... http://tinyurl.com/ywntau |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:57:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "JimH" wrote in message .. . You guys really need these devices to find your way around town? I felt the same way until I got tired of getting bad directions from MapQuest. They do indeed come in handy and have many useful features. I would never do without one again. Well, I guess that (Mapquest) was the only known alternative to a GPS unit. Being a little less dense than Osmium might help. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:50:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: Based on that, it's safe to assume Ford is still doing similar things with their vehicles. To be totally honest, I've owned Ford cars and pickups for 40 years starting in high school. Never had a problem with one of them until this one. |
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"John H." wrote in message
... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:57:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message . .. You guys really need these devices to find your way around town? I felt the same way until I got tired of getting bad directions from MapQuest. They do indeed come in handy and have many useful features. I would never do without one again. Well, I guess that (Mapquest) was the only known alternative to a GPS unit. Being a little less dense than Osmium might help. Being smart enough to read a ****in' map helps. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:50:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Based on that, it's safe to assume Ford is still doing similar things with their vehicles. To be totally honest, I've owned Ford cars and pickups for 40 years starting in high school. Never had a problem with one of them until this one. I'm 1 for 3. I probably ruined my first car, a 1970 Cougar. My Pinto wagon, however, was a joke. The shifter was held onto the top of the tranny by a threaded plastic ring. The exhaust pipe was a few inches to the right. One day, I downshifted from 3rd to 2nd and found myself holding the shifter, which was no longer attached to anything, except for being held in place by the console boot. The plastic ring had melted, which released the shifter from the tranny. Fortunately, I was a quarter mile from the dealership, and I was able to get there in second gear because the traffic was moving at just the right speed. The dealer said they'd never seen the problem before. Bull****. $250 later, it was fixed. The part cost only ten bucks. It happened again a few months later. This time, I fixed it myself and found out why the labor charge was so high. To install a new ring, it had to be dropped over the top of the shifter. To do that, the shifter had to be removed from the boot, which could not be done from under the car. The boot was held in by a flange under the center console. The console was held in by screws hidden under the carpet. The carpet couldn't be removed enough to get to the screws without removing the front seats and all the trim that held the carpet down at the edges. Four hours later.... A few months later, same problem. This time, a mechanic friend used a new ring as a model to make a better version at his brother's metal shop. No more problems. I've already described the Taurus issue. I wouldn't buy another Ford unless the dealership owner first took me to his home so I knew where he lived. This way, I'd always know where to find him. I'd expect HIS vehicle as a loaner in case mine had problems. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... You guys really need these devices to find your way around town? I don't but occasionally they come in very handy. Trying to find a business establishment in highly developed areas for example. The factory unit in one of our vehicles has a feature whereby you simply enter the telephone number of the business, store or whatever and the unit responds with directions. I've noticed that more often than not when someone is coming over to our house for the first time, they simply ask for the street address. No more detailed direction giving required. Eisboch |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:20:13 -0000, wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:06:26 -0500, HK wrote: You guys really need these devices to find your way around town? No, but when you are not around town. But then again, a good road atlas has done me well for years. The odd thing is that you notice little things when driving around town with it that you never noticed before. It's an interesting experience. Yeah, like when the little female voice in the TomTom starts yelling at me to take a left when no left exists. Or ordering me to make a U-turn, over and over. If I help like that, I would have brought Mrs.E. (uh-oh!) Eisboch Eisboch |
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On Dec 28, 9:38*am, "JimH" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Dec 27, 7:06 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because... The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush. Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot. In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth major failure in 20 thousand miles. No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it. I am looking at GMC though. Dude, I have gotten pretty good with our new Tom Tom.. You are aware that it lags a little right. I mean, when it says "turn right now" you are not really to the turn yet. You knew that, right? Glad everyones all right. Talk to you later... You guys really need these devices to find your way around town? I felt the same way until I got tired of getting bad directions from MapQuest. * They do indeed come in handy and have many useful features. * I would never do without one again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's just typical Harry. If he doesn't have it, it's useless and no one should have one. BUT, if Harry has something, it's the greatest thing there is, and he can't figure out why everyone in the world wouldn't want one just like his. Take for example his boat. When he claimed to have a lobsta boat and before that a Hatt, you certainly didn't hear him ****ing and whining about how they aren't fit to own, but now that he only admits to owning a cc fishing boat, that's all you hear from him! |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 11:56 pm, BAR wrote: Tim wrote: Off a vacuum pump. No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source. When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK, they've always used a pump Maybe you are thinking of the "air" pump that was installed in all cars to inject clean air into the exhaust to "improve" emission readings. Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older car's features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers (on really old cars). Eisboch Didn't you just love it when you stepped on the accelerator and wipers slowed or stopped? Only when going uphill, if memory serves. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! Up hill was the worst case scenario but even flat land heavy acceleration was a problem. It did seem to vary somewhat depending on the car brand. And eventually they added a vacuum pump to the fuel pump to give a little extra suck when going up hill. Electrics fixed all that crap. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:50:29 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: Hey ... are the exterior rails on the GBs teak or mahogany? They are teak. Our boats were built in Singpore and teak was actually less expensive than mahogany. In the 80's we got shipments from Asia and the packing crates were teak. Should have stockpiled that wood. |
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wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 7:06 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because... The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush. Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from under the hood. Brand new engine to boot. In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth major failure in 20 thousand miles. No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it. I am looking at GMC though. Dude, I have gotten pretty good with our new Tom Tom.. You are aware that it lags a little right. I mean, when it says "turn right now" you are not really to the turn yet. You knew that, right? Glad everyones all right. Talk to you later... We used the Nuvi 200w last night for the first time. Only complaints from wife were the volume, too loud. Figured out how to set that. Went to settings and missed the volume button on the page before going to settings, but has nice help file. And she does not care for the voice that is generated. But we were to meet her brother at a Mexican restaurant and type in the name and there it was. We took a little different route following them and he automatically recalculated route. Daughter and Son in law borrowed it today for a trip to Monterey and the aquarium. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... You guys really need these devices to find your way around town? I don't but occasionally they come in very handy. Trying to find a business establishment in highly developed areas for example. The factory unit in one of our vehicles has a feature whereby you simply enter the telephone number of the business, store or whatever and the unit responds with directions. I've noticed that more often than not when someone is coming over to our house for the first time, they simply ask for the street address. No more detailed direction giving required. Eisboch I suppose. If I am going somewhere I haven't been and am hazy about directions, I use MS Streets and print out a simple paper map. -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:32:29 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because... The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush. Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from under the hood. Brand new engine to boot. In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth major failure in 20 thousand miles. No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it. I am looking at GMC though. Quite simply.... the answer: http://tinyurl.com/39lnx5 Freightliner? No way. International? Bet 'cher patootie... http://tinyurl.com/ywntau Here's an International http://ww2.collectorcartrader.com/de...9/89284429.htm or http://www.vannattabros.com/1973pics/IH1110.jpg |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. I suppose. If I am going somewhere I haven't been and am hazy about directions, I use MS Streets and print out a simple paper map. Well, that's sorta a crude, elementary GPS system minus the real time satellite data. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. I suppose. If I am going somewhere I haven't been and am hazy about directions, I use MS Streets and print out a simple paper map. Well, that's sorta a crude, elementary GPS system minus the real time satellite data. Eisboch Indeed. It doesn't take into account the distinct possibility the street might have moved! -- George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever! |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:54:53 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Yeah, like when the little female voice in the TomTom starts yelling at me to take a left when no left exists. Yours does that too? Mine does it at exactly the same place on Rt 44 - every time. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:17:31 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:50:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Based on that, it's safe to assume Ford is still doing similar things with their vehicles. To be totally honest, I've owned Ford cars and pickups for 40 years starting in high school. Never had a problem with one of them until this one. I have had 4 Ford trucks and 3 GMs. The Fords were a heluva lot better. You'd think the domestic manufacturers would have the comon pickup truck perfected by now. |
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