On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:59:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Dec 27, 7:06*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.

Dude, I have gotten pretty good with our new Tom Tom.. You are aware
that it lags a little right. I mean, when it says "turn right now" you
are not really to the turn yet. You knew that, right?

Glad everyones all right. Talk to you later...

Shouldn't do that - should give you at least 300 feet warning for any
directional change.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:20:13 -0000, wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:06:26 -0500, HK wrote:


You guys really need these devices to find your way around town?

No, but when you are not around town. But then again, a good road atlas
has done me well for years.

The odd thing is that you notice little things when driving around
town with it that you never noticed before.

It's an interesting experience.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:32:29 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

I am looking at GMC though.

Quite simply.... the answer:
http://tinyurl.com/39lnx5

Freightliner? No way.

International? Bet 'cher patootie...

http://tinyurl.com/ywntau

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:57:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
.. .
You guys really need these devices to find your way around town?

I felt the same way until I got tired of getting bad directions from
MapQuest. They do indeed come in handy and have many useful features.
I would never do without one again.


Well, I guess that (Mapquest) was the only known alternative to a GPS unit.


Being a little less dense than Osmium might help.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:50:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Based on that, it's safe to assume Ford is still doing similar things with
their vehicles.

To be totally honest, I've owned Ford cars and pickups for 40 years
starting in high school.

Never had a problem with one of them until this one.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:36:33 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Dec 28, 10:17*am, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:06:04 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Dec 27, 7:16*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:09f8n354tm1npk6fgmg1qfn5m41fi43nsm@4ax .com...

had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. *Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. *This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

Sounds like operator error to me.

Ever consider a bicycle? *;-)

How in hell does a brake failure sound like operator error?

Who BOUGHT the piece of s##t? Sounds like operator error to me!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How in the hell would anybody know that a certain vehicle will turn
out to be a lemon?

F-O-R-D!

"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:57:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
. ..
You guys really need these devices to find your way around town?

I felt the same way until I got tired of getting bad directions from
MapQuest. They do indeed come in handy and have many useful features.
I would never do without one again.


Well, I guess that (Mapquest) was the only known alternative to a GPS
unit.


Being a little less dense than Osmium might help.


Being smart enough to read a ****in' map helps.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:50:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Based on that, it's safe to assume Ford is still doing similar things with
their vehicles.

To be totally honest, I've owned Ford cars and pickups for 40 years
starting in high school.

Never had a problem with one of them until this one.


I'm 1 for 3. I probably ruined my first car, a 1970 Cougar. My Pinto wagon,
however, was a joke. The shifter was held onto the top of the tranny by a
threaded plastic ring. The exhaust pipe was a few inches to the right. One
day, I downshifted from 3rd to 2nd and found myself holding the shifter,
which was no longer attached to anything, except for being held in place by
the console boot. The plastic ring had melted, which released the shifter
from the tranny. Fortunately, I was a quarter mile from the dealership, and
I was able to get there in second gear because the traffic was moving at
just the right speed.

The dealer said they'd never seen the problem before. Bull****. $250 later,
it was fixed. The part cost only ten bucks. It happened again a few months
later. This time, I fixed it myself and found out why the labor charge was
so high. To install a new ring, it had to be dropped over the top of the
shifter. To do that, the shifter had to be removed from the boot, which
could not be done from under the car. The boot was held in by a flange under
the center console. The console was held in by screws hidden under the
carpet. The carpet couldn't be removed enough to get to the screws without
removing the front seats and all the trim that held the carpet down at the
edges. Four hours later....

A few months later, same problem. This time, a mechanic friend used a new
ring as a model to make a better version at his brother's metal shop. No
more problems.

I've already described the Taurus issue.

I wouldn't buy another Ford unless the dealership owner first took me to his
home so I knew where he lived. This way, I'd always know where to find him.
I'd expect HIS vehicle as a loaner in case mine had problems.

"HK" wrote in message
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You guys really need these devices to find your way around town?

I don't but occasionally they come in very handy. Trying to find a business
establishment in highly developed areas for example.

The factory unit in one of our vehicles has a feature whereby you simply
enter the telephone number of the business, store or whatever and the unit
responds with directions.

I've noticed that more often than not when someone is coming over to our
house for the first time, they simply ask for the street address. No more
detailed direction giving required.

Eisboch

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:20:13 -0000, wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:06:26 -0500, HK wrote:


You guys really need these devices to find your way around town?

No, but when you are not around town. But then again, a good road atlas
has done me well for years.

The odd thing is that you notice little things when driving around
town with it that you never noticed before.

It's an interesting experience.


Yeah, like when the little female voice in the TomTom starts yelling at me
to take a left when no left exists. Or ordering me to make a U-turn, over
and over.

If I help like that, I would have brought Mrs.E.

(uh-oh!)

Eisboch

Eisboch