"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


I'd consider one. In fact, I have. I just don't care for the styling.

Eisboch

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:23:37 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


I'd consider one. In fact, I have. I just don't care for the styling.

Eisboch


To me, long term reliability and durability are a lot more important
than styling unless the appearance is truly butt ugly. Styles come
and go but I like to buy vehicles that will still be around and
running well in ten years, kind of like a Grand Banks trawler. :-)

BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Dec 27, 8:58 pm, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.
It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system
operate off
of engine vacuum? I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the
older ones
did.
The newer ones do run off of vacuum pressure.

Off a vacuum pump.

No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source.


Doesn't the transmission also use vacuum pressure in some manner?

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:23:37 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


I'd consider one. In fact, I have. I just don't care for the styling.

Eisboch


To me, long term reliability and durability are a lot more important
than styling unless the appearance is truly butt ugly. Styles come
and go but I like to buy vehicles that will still be around and
running well in ten years, kind of like a Grand Banks trawler. :-)


True enough. I'll look at them again next the next time I get the itch for
a new truck.

Hey ... are the exterior rails on the GBs teak or mahogany? Gene asked
about finishing teak and I wasn't sure what the wood was. I wonder because
the ones on Mrs.E's GB were refinished 3 years ago using a varnish that
still reveals the wood grain rather than Cetal that hides it and they have
held up very well. If they are teak, whatever the marina guys used is good
stuff and sticks to the oily teak.

Eisboch

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Always copy stuff like that into Notepad first, to see what it'll really
look like as pure text. Edit as needed, then copy and POST.



Thanks Doug.. I'll try that next time.

After 30 years of ford trucks I still like them. They tend to have
more issues in the first year but then run forever. My dad bought one
new and the rear motor mounts were faulty... at 1000 miles the engine
tilted into the radiator and caused all kinds of damage...sold that one
at 325,000 miles and the next owner drove it for years.

I got my wife a new Expedition in 98 and she hated the 3rd seat
arrangement so I got her a Toyota Sequoia in 02 and I took the
expedition. The Sequoia has been in the shop at LEAST quarterly for
stupid little things including: Rear window motor (They told us we
didn't use it enough... needs to go up and down at least weekly..), the
indicator light for DRIVE (light bulb-no warranty for that), 3 times for
the engine light going on....something about a loose gas cap or a
faulty gas cap sensor.. huh???), several fit and finish issues, etc etc)

My 98 Expedition has had OIL and now a new transmission 10 years later
(Hmmm... am I writing this on rec.boats?... wonder why I need a new
transmission after only 10 years....)

I know Toyotas have a good rep for quality but in my extremely small
sample size I am not convinced.



Eisboch wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:23:37 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


I'd consider one. In fact, I have. I just don't care for the styling.

Eisboch


To me, long term reliability and durability are a lot more important
than styling unless the appearance is truly butt ugly. Styles come
and go but I like to buy vehicles that will still be around and
running well in ten years, kind of like a Grand Banks trawler. :-)



True enough. I'll look at them again next the next time I get the itch for
a new truck.

Hey ... are the exterior rails on the GBs teak or mahogany? Gene asked
about finishing teak and I wasn't sure what the wood was. I wonder because
the ones on Mrs.E's GB were refinished 3 years ago using a varnish that
still reveals the wood grain rather than Cetal that hides it and they have
held up very well. If they are teak, whatever the marina guys used is good
stuff and sticks to the oily teak.

Eisboch

On Dec 27, 8:08*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Should never have sold the F-250.-

I thought it got total'd out?

On Dec 27, 11:56*pm, BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:

Off a vacuum pump.

No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source.

When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK,
they've always used a pump

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:38:52 -0500, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote
You mean there actually is a vacuum brake booster?
What the hell kind of nonsense is that?

Big round thing between the master cylinder and the firewall. Almost all
cars have them. They rarely fail.

http://www.google.com/search?q=brake%20vacuum%20assist


I had one fail in a Volvo, but in the opposite manner. It would activate
when the brake pedal was pressed, but would then keep applying the brakes
until they locked up.

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Dec 27, 11:56 pm, BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:

Off a vacuum pump.

No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source.

When did ford start pulling a vac, from the intake manifold? AFAIK,
they've always used a pump

Maybe you are thinking of the "air" pump that was installed in all cars to
inject clean air into the exhaust to "improve" emission readings.

Engine vacuum has been used for years for power brakes and on older car's
features like flip-up headlights and even the windshield wipers (on really
old cars).

Eisboch