"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote
You mean there actually is a vacuum brake booster?
What the hell kind of nonsense is that?

Big round thing between the master cylinder and the firewall. Almost all
cars have them. They rarely fail.

http://www.google.com/search?q=brake%20vacuum%20assist

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
had my brand new F-150 Lariat Special Edition towed back from
Greenville RI to the dealer in Webster, MA because...

The brakes failed - as in F A I L E D - causing me to avoid a massive
collision by jumping a curb and heading into the pucker brush.

Then, to add insult to injury, when I restarted the engine after it
stalled out, a horrendous noise and oil smoke started to pour out from
under the hood. Brand new engine to boot.

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.


Right. Why be happy? What would be the point? Sure, Toyotas need service
like any other vehicle, but they tend not to have STUPID problems like
Fords.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.


It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system operate off
of engine vacuum? I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the older ones
did.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.


It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system operate off
of engine vacuum? I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the older ones
did.

The newer ones do run off of vacuum pressure.

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote
They rarely fail.

.... but what you described sounds like what happens when they do. Did the
brakes totally go away, or did you lose the power-assist? (The latter could
easily feel like a total loss if it happened unexpectedly.)

"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message
...
"Ernest Scribbler" wrote
They rarely fail.

... but what you described sounds like what happens when they do. Did the
brakes totally go away, or did you lose the power-assist? (The latter
could easily feel like a total loss if it happened unexpectedly.)



That's exactly what it feels like. In my son's car, it was like pressing
against a thick stack of cardboard, until he REALLY leaned on the pedal.
(This was part of an exercise in a large empty parking lot). It can feel
like there's no more you can push to get results, but there IS more.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

In a nut shell, this truck is a piece of s##t. This is the sixth
major failure in 20 thousand miles.

No, I'm not buying a Toyota so don't even suggest it.

Who me?

Frankly I think you'd like it after you got one. Just my 2 cents
worth.


But then, there'd be nothing to talk about.

In an obtuse way, this reminds me of:

Q: How many old women does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Oh, don't worry about me. I'll just sit here in the dark.

On Dec 27, 8:58*pm, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. *I said what? *I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.

It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system operate off
of engine vacuum? *I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the older ones
did.

The newer ones do run off of vacuum pressure.

Off a vacuum pump.

Tim wrote:
On Dec 27, 8:58 pm, BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
When I talked to the Service Manager, he mentioned something about
losing vacuum pressure. I said what? I'm trying to figure that one
out - brakes shouldn't be controlled by vacuum pressure - I always
thought they ran off the power steering assist pump.
It's not "vacuum pressure", but doesn't the power brake system operate off
of engine vacuum? I haven't checked new vehicles but I think the older ones
did.
The newer ones do run off of vacuum pressure.

Off a vacuum pump.

No pump, vacuum from the intake manifold is the source.