I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

No, in ways I wish I was. I'm about a quarter ways up the state. by
the Wabash river..

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Well, in that case - it sounds like a great excuse to get a new boat.

As in NEW boat. :)
Yessir Tom.

If I had your money I would :

1) have a NEW boat.

and

2) I sure wouldn't be living in the southern part of B.F. Illinois!

LOL!

It could be worse. You could be living in Indiana.

Actually Harry I used to live in Indiana, and I'm presently just 50
mi. from Indiana. and honestly? Indiana is starting to look pretty
good......


Are you down near Cape Girardeau. MO? I used to spend some long weekends
there.

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I would guess a spin (friction) weld on the cookware.


I think so ... a "cladding" process.

I know of several specialty products that bond normally incompatible
materials but the process is unique and certainly not welding.

One thing I enjoyed about the technology I was involved in was some of the
weird materials and alloys that could be produced in high vacuum
deposition systems. A process known as "sputtering" involves knocking
off molecules of a source material with energetic ions formed in a plasma
and depositing them onto an object or substrate to be coated.
Using two or more different "sources" at the same time allowed the
co-deposition of completely incompatible materials resulting in a really
strange alloy.

The original "Silverstone" cookware was produced in this manner.

Eisboch


Did not know that about the Silverstone. We used sputtering for coating the
disks in disk drives.

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:59:43 -0800, CalifBill penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


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considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


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On Dec 26, 12:30?pm, Tim wrote:

and even though it didn't fall very far approx 5 ft,
well.....no damage done to the boat, but the nice aluminum rail that
wraps around the bow has a nice big dent in it and one of the mounts
is broken. Anybody know where I can get a reasonable repair for it?


You can have a replacement rail fabricated at any $hop where they
weld
$tainle$$ $teel. If it truly has no function, and on a 1977 cuddy
cabin- you could easily justify not spending the money to replace it.


A shop that has expertise in welding stainless is not necessary
experienced in welding aluminum.

Eisboch (who spent hours trying to weld aluminum to steel while the
welders laughed their butts off)




You can combine them. Both Kaiser Industries did it with Military
tanks
and a couple of the cookwares now attach aluminum to stainless.


Yep. But not by welding.

Eisboch


Some purveyors of cookware tout this, but I suspect it is either a
braze or a "mechanical weld" as done in forge welding.... not a true
fusion weld.

However, Al and SS *can* be welded in some circumstances, but it *is*
a bitch....
http://www.welding-advisers.com/PRAC...etterNo26.html

Some shipbuilding is done with Aluminum/Steel welds, but, again, it is
not a fusion weld.....

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I would guess a spin (friction) weld on the cookware.


Problem with that scenario is that the aluminum has a melting point of
1220F and Stainless Steel about 2800F and the two molecular structures
don't play well together....

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But Stainless galls easily, and the aluminum may melt into the voids created
in the stainless, making for a strong bond.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Did not know that about the Silverstone. We used sputtering for coating
the disks in disk drives.


The original disk drives were not vacuum deposited and the magnetic
orientation was horizontal, limiting the capacity of the disk. Sputtering
allowed columnar growth and the magnetic material had a vertical
orientation, a major breakthrough in terms of disk capacity.

We built several large in-line sputter deposition systems for hard disks for
Seagate and others. We also built a few CD coating systems. They were
amazing. They processed a raw CD blank in less than 2 seconds, depositing
about 600 Angstroms of aluminum (just short of becoming opaque).

Other companies blew us away though, doing the aluminum deposition, data
imaging, protective overcoat and applying the label in less time.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Did not know that about the Silverstone. We used sputtering for coating
the disks in disk drives.


The original disk drives were not vacuum deposited and the magnetic
orientation was horizontal, limiting the capacity of the disk. Sputtering
allowed columnar growth and the magnetic material had a vertical
orientation, a major breakthrough in terms of disk capacity.

We built several large in-line sputter deposition systems for hard disks
for Seagate and others. We also built a few CD coating systems. They
were amazing. They processed a raw CD blank in less than 2 seconds,
depositing about 600 Angstroms of aluminum (just short of becoming
opaque).

Other companies blew us away though, doing the aluminum deposition, data
imaging, protective overcoat and applying the label in less time.

Eisboch


Probably biggest improvement in disk drive capacity from the sputtering was
a much more uniform coating and less defects. Since a lot of my disk drive
design time was doing flaw scan software, I notice a lot of improvement in
that alone. Other item I notice about CD's is everybody protects the clear
side and does not worry about the coated side. But the coated side is much
more critical to data integrity.

I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Well, in that case - it sounds like a great excuse to get a new boat.

As in NEW boat. :)
Yessir Tom.

If I had your money I would :

1) have a NEW boat.

and

2) I sure wouldn't be living in the southern part of B.F. Illinois!

LOL!

It could be worse. You could be living in Indiana.

Actually Harry I used to live in Indiana, and I'm presently just 50
mi. from Indiana. and honestly? Indiana is starting to look pretty
good......

Are you down near Cape Girardeau. MO? I used to spend some long weekends
there.

Krause and Limbaugh sitting in a tree...

K I S S.....

Er...

That's something too horrible to comtemplate. :)

I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Well, in that case - it sounds like a great excuse to get a new boat.

As in NEW boat. :)
Yessir Tom.

If I had your money I would :

1) have a NEW boat.

and

2) I sure wouldn't be living in the southern part of B.F. Illinois!

LOL!
It could be worse. You could be living in Indiana.
Actually Harry I used to live in Indiana, and I'm presently just 50
mi. from Indiana. and honestly? Indiana is starting to look pretty
good......
Are you down near Cape Girardeau. MO? I used to spend some long weekends
there.

Krause and Limbaugh sitting in a tree...

K I S S.....

Er...

That's something too horrible to comtemplate. :)


Nah. I had a girlfriend in Cape Girardeau who was working at the paper
there while I was working at the KC Star. Rush spent time in KC, too. We
never met.


I tell you, that drive across Missouri was a long one. If the gal wasn't
a gorgeous redhead, I wouldn't have bothered!

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:47:03 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

You can have a replacement rail fabricated at any $hop where they weld
$tainle$$ $teel. If it truly has no function, and on a 1977 cuddy
cabin- you could easily justify not spending the money to replace it.

A shop that has expertise in welding stainless is not necessary experienced
in welding aluminum.

Eisboch ?(who spent hours trying to weld aluminum to steel while the welders
laughed their butts off)

I would suggest rebuilding the whole works with stainless.

There is an outfit called Tops In Quality:

http://topsinquality.com/power/railbow.htm

I bought a bow pulpit from them many years ago and it was priced
reasonably compared to custom local fabrication.

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On Dec 27, 9:43*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:47:03 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
You can have a replacement rail fabricated at any $hop where they weld
$tainle$$ $teel. If it truly has no function, and on a 1977 cuddy
cabin- you could easily justify not spending the money to replace it.

A shop that has expertise in welding stainless is not necessary experienced
in welding aluminum.

Eisboch ?(who spent hours trying to weld aluminum to steel while the welders
laughed their butts off)

I would suggest rebuilding the whole works with stainless.

There is an outfit called Tops In Quality:

http://topsinquality.com/power/railbow.htm

I bought a bow pulpit from them many years ago and it was priced
reasonably compared to custom local fabrication.

Thanks for the link, Wayne. I'll take that into consideration as well..

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Dec 27, 9:43 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:47:03 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
You can have a replacement rail fabricated at any $hop where they weld
$tainle$$ $teel. If it truly has no function, and on a 1977 cuddy
cabin- you could easily justify not spending the money to replace it.

A shop that has expertise in welding stainless is not necessary
experienced
in welding aluminum.

Eisboch ?(who spent hours trying to weld aluminum to steel while the
welders
laughed their butts off)

I would suggest rebuilding the whole works with stainless.

There is an outfit called Tops In Quality:

http://topsinquality.com/power/railbow.htm

I bought a bow pulpit from them many years ago and it was priced
reasonably compared to custom local fabrication.

Thanks for the link, Wayne. I'll take that into consideration as well..

The tube rollers will straighten some kinks and bends. At least it did it
with some 1/4" stainless rod.