I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:41:58 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


"CalifBill" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Dec 26, 12:30?pm, Tim wrote:

and even though it didn't fall very far approx 5 ft,
well.....no damage done to the boat, but the nice aluminum rail that
wraps around the bow has a nice big dent in it and one of the mounts
is broken. Anybody know where I can get a reasonable repair for it?


You can have a replacement rail fabricated at any $hop where they weld
$tainle$$ $teel. If it truly has no function, and on a 1977 cuddy
cabin- you could easily justify not spending the money to replace it.


A shop that has expertise in welding stainless is not necessary
experienced in welding aluminum.

Eisboch (who spent hours trying to weld aluminum to steel while the
welders laughed their butts off)




You can combine them. Both Kaiser Industries did it with Military tanks
and a couple of the cookwares now attach aluminum to stainless.


Yep. But not by welding.

Eisboch


Some purveyors of cookware tout this, but I suspect it is either a
braze or a "mechanical weld" as done in forge welding.... not a true
fusion weld.

However, Al and SS *can* be welded in some circumstances, but it *is*
a bitch....
http://www.welding-advisers.com/PRAC...etterNo26.html

Some shipbuilding is done with Aluminum/Steel welds, but, again, it is
not a fusion weld.....

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I would guess a spin (friction) weld on the cookware.

I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

"CalifBill" wrote in message
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I would guess a spin (friction) weld on the cookware.


I think so ... a "cladding" process.

I know of several specialty products that bond normally incompatible
materials but the process is unique and certainly not welding.

One thing I enjoyed about the technology I was involved in was some of the
weird materials and alloys that could be produced in high vacuum deposition
systems. A process known as "sputtering" involves knocking off molecules
of a source material with energetic ions formed in a plasma and depositing
them onto an object or substrate to be coated.
Using two or more different "sources" at the same time allowed the
co-deposition of completely incompatible materials resulting in a really
strange alloy.

The original "Silverstone" cookware was produced in this manner.

Eisboch

I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

On Dec 26, 2:48�pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Dec 26, 12:30?pm, Tim wrote:

and even though it didn't fall very far approx 5 ft,

well.....no damage done to the boat, but the nice aluminum rail that
wraps around the bow has a nice big dent in it and one of the mounts
is broken. Anybody know where I can get a reasonable repair for it?

You can have a replacement rail fabricated at any $hop where they weld
$tainle$$ $teel. If it truly has no function, and on a 1977 cuddy
cabin- you could easily justify not spending the money to replace it.

A shop that has expertise in welding stainless is not necessary experienced
in welding aluminum.

Eisboch �(who spent hours trying to weld aluminum to steel while the welders
laughed their butts off)

I would suggest rebuilding the whole works with stainless.

I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:18:17 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Dec 26, 10:55*pm, "Mike" wrote:
Unfortunately, you need to go someplace that specializes in tube-tower
building. They have machines that are designed just for making these long
sweeping curves (as opposed to a bend). The machine is actually very
simple... 3 wheels, two on the same plane and motorized, and the third in
between those two (an idler), that can be adjusted up and down. They run the
tube thru, and in each pass lower the idler slightly, and the tube bends.
They keep doing it until you get the exact sweep you need.

If you want it perfect again, there's no real easy solution... or cheap. If
you can't bring them the boat, then take the whole rail off, and they can
match the good side with the "bad".

--Mike

Mike, I'm familiar with the process, but don't know of anybody locally
that does such. i think I'll call a couple of the local boat shops
tomorrow and see what they'd recomend. I'm sure they've been up
against this before. I'll probably end up removing it though. I'll see
what they would suggest.

Tim, have you checked your insurance coverage? This thing may be covered by
one policy or another, especially if there is some kind of accident
coverage for the shop.

I was about to suggest calling local marinas. When my bow rail got bent,
the marina had a name and phone number for folks who did the work. The
marina fixed it, with a fork lift, but it wasn't bent badly. It was not
creased at all.

I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:20:34 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 26, 6:10*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Most plumbers have 3/4" mandrels which I assume is what your bow rail
is made of.

I'm not really sure, Tom, i would say it's 3/4. problem is this would
probably be usless tot ry to straighten, and there arn't any real
angles in it, just one long sweeping curve. Looks to me like it would
be really tough to match the other side. Thats the real hit.

NO! the REAL hit, is that I bent it in the first place!

Well, in that case - it sounds like a great excuse to get a new boat.

As in NEW boat. :)

I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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I would suggest rebuilding the whole works with stainless.

Me too, for a bow rail.

Many of the complex "tuna tower" contraptions on sportfish type boats are
made of hard anodized marine grade (I forget the series) aluminum to save
weight. Some are very nicely done.

Eisboch

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Well, in that case - it sounds like a great excuse to get a new boat.

As in NEW boat. :)

Yessir Tom.

If I had your money I would :

1) have a NEW boat.

and

2) I sure wouldn't be living in the southern part of B.F. Illinois!

LOL!

I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

Tim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Well, in that case - it sounds like a great excuse to get a new boat.

As in NEW boat. :)

Yessir Tom.

If I had your money I would :

1) have a NEW boat.

and

2) I sure wouldn't be living in the southern part of B.F. Illinois!

LOL!


It could be worse. You could be living in Indiana.

I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Well, in that case - it sounds like a great excuse to get a new boat.

As in NEW boat. :)

Yessir Tom.

If I had your money I would :

1) have a NEW boat.

and

2) I sure wouldn't be living in the southern part of B.F. Illinois!

LOL!


It could be worse. You could be living in Indiana.

Actually Harry I used to live in Indiana, and I'm presently just 50
mi. from Indiana. and honestly? Indiana is starting to look pretty
good......

I busted my bow railing... *ugh*!
 

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Well, in that case - it sounds like a great excuse to get a new boat.

As in NEW boat. :)
Yessir Tom.

If I had your money I would :

1) have a NEW boat.

and

2) I sure wouldn't be living in the southern part of B.F. Illinois!

LOL!

It could be worse. You could be living in Indiana.

Actually Harry I used to live in Indiana, and I'm presently just 50
mi. from Indiana. and honestly? Indiana is starting to look pretty
good......


Are you down near Cape Girardeau. MO? I used to spend some long weekends
there.