On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:30:31 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


If the monied interests who keep us from exploring off the East and West
coast for the potential oil fields which could equal if not surpass
those in the Middle East, we'd be way ahead of the game by now.

Think Brazil.

It isn't the middle east. It's the dependence on foreign oil. When the
oil dollars flow, they all get corrupt.

Think Chavez.

HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:32:52 -0500, HK wrote:

It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.
I ihghly doubt that we will see that in the next 5 to 10 years. Maybe
a disruption might cause it, but not now.

On a completely different note:

Are you denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy
policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the
American consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase
corporate profits
I don't know what was discussed - I wasn't there.

And neither were you.

I would assume that price was discussed - it would seem to me to be a
natural point to start the discussion.

However I would point out to you that none other than your own St.
Gore proposed a doubling of gasoline prices (by a combination of
wholesale price rise and taxattion) as a way to keep the use of
gasoline limited thus reducing emissions - I think he called it an
environmental and economic win-win.

If the money raised were properly spent on the development of
alternative fuels and on forced higher performance of vehicles, we'd
be way ahead of the game by now and beginning to lose our dependence
upon Muslim oil.

Why does the government have to pay for the research and development?



So the people own the technology and can license it to manufacturers or
processors who agree to reasonable profits, of course.

"who agree to reasonable profits"? That's collusion, Harry. Don't
confuse it with (the diminishing) collective bargaining you love so much.

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So the people own the technology and can license it to manufacturers or
processors who agree to reasonable profits, of course.


I wonder if Richard received tax dollars to fund the startup of his
company and the research/development needed to get it off the ground?


I can assure you that Richard did not "receive" any tax dollars.
Quite the contrary.

Eisboch (Richard)




Thanks. I guessed that and brought your success story (most likely filled
with substantial risks and costs at the onset) into the picture to make my
point with Harry.

Maybe he now understands. ;-)


Well, although I'd love to think it was "success", the truth is it was pure,
simple shear luck.
I was in the right place at the right time, but that's the American way.

Eisboch

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


$2.64 at the corner gas stations today.


mmm let's see... local price of $1.13 per liter x 3.78 = $4.27 an American
gallon.
Been there, done that! What makes it even worse, our loonie is worth
slightly more than the American dollar.

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:27:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


$2.64 at the corner gas stations today.


mmm let's see... local price of $1.13 per liter x 3.78 = $4.27 an American
gallon.
Been there, done that! What makes it even worse, our loonie is worth
slightly more than the American dollar.

Not anymore it's not.

..9943 at last trade. :)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:27:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


$2.64 at the corner gas stations today.


mmm let's see... local price of $1.13 per liter x 3.78 = $4.27 an
American
gallon.
Been there, done that! What makes it even worse, our loonie is worth
slightly more than the American dollar.

Not anymore it's not.

.9943 at last trade. :)


You wish!
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/exchange.html

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:14:15 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:27:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


$2.64 at the corner gas stations today.


mmm let's see... local price of $1.13 per liter x 3.78 = $4.27 an
American
gallon.
Been there, done that! What makes it even worse, our loonie is worth
slightly more than the American dollar.

Not anymore it's not.

.9943 at last trade. :)

You wish!
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/exchange.html

I know you Canadians are a little slow - in particular those who llive
in Nova Scotia, but...

From above web site:

Summary:

On 21 Dec 2007, 1.00 U.S. dollar(s) = 0.99 Canadian dollar(s), at an
exchange rate of 0.9944 (using nominal rate.)

~~ snerk ~~

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:19:30 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On 21 Dec 2007, 1.00 U.S. dollar(s) = 0.99 Canadian dollar(s), at an
exchange rate of 0.9944 (using nominal rate.)

~~ snerk ~~

Careful Tom, somebody is spiking your eggnog.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:14:15 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:27:51 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK
wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a
"secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline.


$2.64 at the corner gas stations today.


mmm let's see... local price of $1.13 per liter x 3.78 = $4.27 an
American
gallon.
Been there, done that! What makes it even worse, our loonie is worth
slightly more than the American dollar.

Not anymore it's not.

.9943 at last trade. :)

You wish!
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/exchange.html

I know you Canadians are a little slow - in particular those who llive
in Nova Scotia, but...

From above web site:

Summary:

On 21 Dec 2007, 1.00 U.S. dollar(s) = 0.99 Canadian dollar(s), at an
exchange rate of 0.9944 (using nominal rate.)

~~ snerk ~~

Hey... ~snerk~ right back.
You're reading it backwards. Probably watched too many episodes of
'South Park'. ;-)

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:53:42 -0000, wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:19:30 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On 21 Dec 2007, 1.00 U.S. dollar(s) = 0.99 Canadian dollar(s), at an
exchange rate of 0.9944 (using nominal rate.)

~~ snerk ~~

Careful Tom, somebody is spiking your eggnog.

Damn - you are right.

I need new glasses.

Or a new brain. :)