Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline. Are you
denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the
American consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate
profits?

On Dec 22, 6:14*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:16:07 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

But don't we all...

http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm

Check the date of the article Tim.

I could blame AOL, because it ust popped up on the computers home page
last night, Unless they're desparate for news. which they probably
are. I don't know why AOL hasn't tanked already...

I didn't realize it was "old" stuff, but so be it. I don't want to see
$4.00 gas regardless....

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab states?


Whooop, whooop, whooop, I think Harry has joined Chuck and Larry in the
black helicopter club.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Whooop, whooop, whooop, I think Harry has joined Chuck and Larry in the
black helicopter club.


Are you denying that Dick Cheney established a national energy policy
with "big oil" in his secret meetings, or that there is collusion
between "big oil" and the Arab states?

Be careful, now, Bertbrain. Those two rotifers spinning around in your
head can't stand much strain.

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm


You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?


Whooop, whooop, whooop, I think Harry has joined Chuck and Larry in
the black helicopter club.


Are you denying that Dick Cheney established a national energy policy
with "big oil" in his secret meetings, or that there is collusion
between "big oil" and the Arab states?

I don't remember hearing you moan, bitch and complain when Hilary came
up with her health care reform.

Be careful, now, Bertbrain. Those two rotifers spinning around in your
head can't stand much strain.

Those who see conspiracy at every turn are the ones who need to have
their head checked, see your Dr. Dr. wife maybe she can help you.

It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline. Are you
denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the American
consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate profits?

Maybe they discussed a charitable donation from big oil to fund research
into a cure for NPD.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

You need to do a bit of fact checking. The oil companies, themselves,
have decreased the number of refineries. Check and see how many there
were 30 years ago and see how many we have, now.

Bean counters know that you can enhance profits by *artificially
creating* a higher demand. Add that to a demand that *is* increasing
and you have $3/gal. gasoline.

And here's another one..... why is diesel fuel $3.50?



The problem with this issue is who do you believe.

This report blames the oil companies:
http://www.citizen.org/cmep/energy_e...s.cfm?ID=11829

This one blames excessive environmental regulations:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba603/


They do share one thing though. Both also blame the government. :-)

Eisboch

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:33:10 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm

Also the fact that the NIMBY's will not let new oil refineries be built.
That the refineries can not find enough Certified Welders to do the
upgrades needed. Maybe we need to ****can the teachers unions and
administrators that think all students should be College Prep track.

Did anyone else notice the date on that article? It was about the summer
of 2007, and was obviously wrong about the $4 gasoline.

You think it's the teachers fault everyone wants to go to college? The
average high school graduate earns an average of $1.2 million over his
working life. The average bachelor's degree holder earns around $2.1
million. It's supply and demand. You want more welders, pay more.

http://www.ericdigests.org/2003-3/value.htm

I paid $3.999 / gallon for diesel in Barstow Thanksgiving week. It is the
school administrations that decided everyone should go to college. Not the
students. 20% or so should go to college, that is the group that is both
smart enough and motivated to go to college. One of the reasons there is
such a high dropout rate from high and junior high school is the lack of
motivation. And boredom. Average welder, especially in the petroleum
industry is probably knocking down a $60-70k / year salary without overtime.
We also need automotive technicians, lots of skilled jobs not requiring
college degrees are wanting. Give the young people an insight into the real
world while in elementary, middle and high school. And a basis to make a
living.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:17:47 -0500, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
But don't we all...


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/07/news...ices/index.htm
You don't like being taken to the cleaners as a result of a "secret"
national energy policy and collusion between "big oil" and the Arab
states?

Lyndon Larouche IS alive and well and living in Virginia.

Which, now that I think about it, is true.

Check the date Harry.


It doesn't matter...we're headed for $4.00 a gallon gasoline. Are you
denying that Dicque Cheney held "secret" national energy policy meetings
with big oil that to this day are a closely held secret of the
administration? What do you think they discussed? How to help the American
consumer, or how to fleece the consumer and increase corporate profits?

Maybe they were also having a secret meeting on healthcare reform.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

You need to do a bit of fact checking. The oil companies, themselves,
have decreased the number of refineries. Check and see how many there
were 30 years ago and see how many we have, now.

Bean counters know that you can enhance profits by *artificially
creating* a higher demand. Add that to a demand that *is* increasing
and you have $3/gal. gasoline.

And here's another one..... why is diesel fuel $3.50?



The problem with this issue is who do you believe.

This report blames the oil companies:
http://www.citizen.org/cmep/energy_e...s.cfm?ID=11829

This one blames excessive environmental regulations:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba603/


They do share one thing though. Both also blame the government. :-)

Eisboch



And some of the refineries closed as there was not enough oil in the area to
support the refinery and the cost and difficulty of bringing in more oil,
was both to costly or government permit disallowed. The Shell refinery in
"The Oil Patch" of SoCal is one of the ones prominently mentioned. It was
build to refine the oil from the local oil field. The field is at end of
life. The are no ports next to the field, so you build a pipeline to feed
an old, wore out refinery. Take the same amount of money to build the
pipeline and upgrade the refinery, and you have enough to build a new one
next to a transport hub. Plus a few years ago, the oil companies had a 2%
ROI, where were the tears from the users then? HK sells is writing for what
the market can bear, why should the oil companies be different. Same with
the excess fees charged by brokerage houses until Charles Schwab introduced
the discount brokerage and competition.