donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 24, 5:00 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
Hey, guys, what you think about this one... it's cheap and cute...

http://westcobattery.com/chargers.html

OK, I think I got it. The small battery I had in mind was rated at
32Ah, which is the rated capacity of this charger. What I can do is
get two AGM small batteries (West Marine, on sale $96). Better weight
distribution in the canoe and more flexibility.

I would try to find out the power draw from those motors before spending
money.

The 'old' school Minn Kota motors (pre 85) would last an 8 hour day
fishing when pushing a freighter canoe with 5 people or a row boat with
3 or 4 people on one car sized battery.

The new motors are supposed to be much better for battery life also.

If you motor only draws say 2 amps on medium speed which is almost water
skiing speed in a canoe, the battery should last about 15 hours.

The motors I had needed a sea anchor to keep them slow enough for
trolling weed patches. We used a bucket on a rope.

Mike

On Dec 25, 3:45*pm, Mike Romain wrote:
donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 24, 5:00 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
Hey, guys, what you think about this one... it's cheap and cute...

http://westcobattery.com/chargers.html

OK, I think I got it. The small battery I had in mind was rated at
32Ah, which is the rated capacity of this charger. What I can do is
get two AGM small batteries (West Marine, on sale $96). Better weight
distribution in the canoe and more flexibility.

I would try to find out the power draw from those motors before spending
money.

The 'old' school Minn Kota motors (pre 85) would last an 8 hour day
fishing when pushing a freighter canoe with 5 people or a row boat with
3 or 4 people on one car sized battery.

The new motors are supposed to be much better for battery life also.

If you motor only draws say 2 amps on medium speed which is almost water
skiing speed in a canoe, the battery should last about 15 hours.

The motors I had needed a sea anchor to keep them slow enough for
trolling weed patches. *We used a bucket on a rope.

Mike

Good idea. Can you believe that I wrote to Minn Tonka asking their
motor's draw and they didn't even reply?

I guess I should be able to tell when I get it.

On Dec 25 2007, 6:41*pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Dec 25, 3:45*pm, Mike Romain wrote:





donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 24, 5:00 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
Hey, guys, what you think about this one... it's cheap and cute...

http://westcobattery.com/chargers.html

OK, I think I got it. The small battery I had in mind was rated at
32Ah, which is the rated capacity of this charger. What I can do is
get two AGM small batteries (West Marine, on sale $96). Better weight
distribution in the canoe and more flexibility.

I would try to find out the power draw from those motors before spending
money.

The 'old' school Minn Kota motors (pre 85) would last an 8 hour day
fishing when pushing a freighter canoe with 5 people or a row boat with
3 or 4 people on one car sized battery.

The new motors are supposed to be much better for battery life also.

If you motor only draws say 2 amps on medium speed which is almost water
skiing speed in a canoe, the battery should last about 15 hours.

The motors I had needed a sea anchor to keep them slow enough for
trolling weed patches. *We used a bucket on a rope.

Mike

Good idea. Can you believe that I wrote to Minn Tonka asking their
motor's draw and they didn't even reply?

I guess I should be able to tell when I get it.-

Well, the motor is finally and I'm gonna reveal the secret...

"For best results use deep cycle Minn Kota marine batteries with at
least 105 amp hour rating. As a general on the water estimate, your 12
volt motor will draw 1.0 amp/hour for each pound of thrust produced
when the motor is running on high."

So at 40 thrust, that would be 40 amp/hour, and so... I need a big
battery! If I go for an AGM that would mean something like dishing out
over $200! Are you sure the fish are gonna bite that much?

donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 25 2007, 6:41 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Dec 25, 3:45 pm, Mike Romain wrote:





donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 24, 5:00 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
Hey, guys, what you think about this one... it's cheap and cute...
http://westcobattery.com/chargers.html
OK, I think I got it. The small battery I had in mind was rated at
32Ah, which is the rated capacity of this charger. What I can do is
get two AGM small batteries (West Marine, on sale $96). Better weight
distribution in the canoe and more flexibility.
I would try to find out the power draw from those motors before spending
money.
The 'old' school Minn Kota motors (pre 85) would last an 8 hour day
fishing when pushing a freighter canoe with 5 people or a row boat with
3 or 4 people on one car sized battery.
The new motors are supposed to be much better for battery life also.
If you motor only draws say 2 amps on medium speed which is almost water
skiing speed in a canoe, the battery should last about 15 hours.
The motors I had needed a sea anchor to keep them slow enough for
trolling weed patches. We used a bucket on a rope.
Mike
Good idea. Can you believe that I wrote to Minn Tonka asking their
motor's draw and they didn't even reply?

I guess I should be able to tell when I get it.-

Well, the motor is finally and I'm gonna reveal the secret...

"For best results use deep cycle Minn Kota marine batteries with at
least 105 amp hour rating. As a general on the water estimate, your 12
volt motor will draw 1.0 amp/hour for each pound of thrust produced
when the motor is running on high."

So at 40 thrust, that would be 40 amp/hour, and so... I need a big
battery! If I go for an AGM that would mean something like dishing out
over $200! Are you sure the fish are gonna bite that much?


Man those Minn Kotas are still 'very' thirsty SOB's aren't they.

What do they use on low?

I went with new Mercury Marine electrics back in the 1980's for this
reason. The Minn Kotas I got used. The Mercs had a gear box that took
ATF in them so the DC motor could reach high speed with low load. DC
motors are much more efficient at higher rpm.

Oh, with twin Merc's on the back of my 18 foot cruiser, on full I
'could' have pulled a skier. I think that was 80 ft lb, don't remember
for sure, it was a long time ago. I did rescue a massive Lake Cruise
Ship with a tour Bus full of people once when it lost power way down a
lake. It was being blown onto a reef, so I came buy with my fishing
group and they tossed me a rope despite the Captain thinking my 'little'
electrics couldn't save them. I pulled them back into the center of the
lake and held them while help came. The fishing tour in my boat caught
two 5 lb rainbow trout while we were doing it too. Gave the Bus tour
folks a show when the trout went dancing across the lake on the hook.
They go airborne when hooked.

On a canoe, it will just fly with 40 ft lb of thrust.

As far as batteries go, 70 and 105 amp hours do ring bells. I ran a
fleet of boats with Fishing Guides in some of them so the cost was just
part of doing business.

You know, you can go to all of the local auto wreckers around here and
buy used batteries for about $25.00 with a warranty. You can shop for
sizes, not vehicle specific and get the biggest amp hour reserve they have.

I know some folks that recondition the used batteries for Used Car lots
and they put a one year warranty on them. They state they very seldom
if ever have to honor the warranty, these batteries will start a car for
at least a year so on an occasional use like your boat, they should be
good for several years.

A car battery will do just fine if you don't drain it dry before
charging it again and use a nice long slow charge on it. All mine
weren't marine, that's for sure.

The only gotcha with a used battery is it needs it's case to be cleaned
with a backing soda and water solution before you use it. This is to
get rid of the acid that accumulates on the case from many charges over
time. Just so you don't 'burn' fingerprints in your clothes after
carrying it. (been there, done that, both things)

Mike

On Jan 8, 11:18*am, Mike Romain wrote:
donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 25 2007, 6:41 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Dec 25, 3:45 pm, Mike Romain wrote:

donquijote1954 wrote:
On Dec 24, 5:00 pm, donquijote1954
wrote:
Hey, guys, what you think about this one... it's cheap and cute...
http://westcobattery.com/chargers.html
OK, I think I got it. The small battery I had in mind was rated at
32Ah, which is the rated capacity of this charger. What I can do is
get two AGM small batteries (West Marine, on sale $96). Better weight
distribution in the canoe and more flexibility.
I would try to find out the power draw from those motors before spending
money.
The 'old' school Minn Kota motors (pre 85) would last an 8 hour day
fishing when pushing a freighter canoe with 5 people or a row boat with
3 or 4 people on one car sized battery.
The new motors are supposed to be much better for battery life also.
If you motor only draws say 2 amps on medium speed which is almost water
skiing speed in a canoe, the battery should last about 15 hours.
The motors I had needed a sea anchor to keep them slow enough for
trolling weed patches. *We used a bucket on a rope.
Mike
Good idea. Can you believe that I wrote to Minn Tonka asking their
motor's draw and they didn't even reply?

I guess I should be able to tell when I get it.-

Well, the motor is finally and I'm gonna reveal the secret...

"For best results use deep cycle Minn Kota marine batteries with at
least 105 amp hour rating. As a general on the water estimate, your 12
volt motor will draw 1.0 amp/hour for each pound of thrust produced
when the motor is running on high."

So at 40 thrust, that would be 40 amp/hour, and so... I need a big
battery! If I go for an AGM that would mean something like dishing out
over $200! Are you sure the fish are gonna bite that much?

Man those Minn Kotas are still 'very' thirsty SOB's aren't they.

What do they use on low?

I went with new Mercury Marine electrics back in the 1980's for this
reason. *The Minn Kotas I got used. *The Mercs had a gear box that took
ATF in them so the DC motor could reach high speed with low load. *DC
motors are much more efficient at higher rpm.

Oh, with twin Merc's on the back of my 18 foot cruiser, on full I
'could' have pulled a skier. *I think that was 80 ft lb, don't remember
for sure, it was a long time ago. *I did rescue a massive Lake Cruise
Ship with a tour Bus full of people once when it lost power way down a
lake. *It was being blown onto a reef, so I came buy with my fishing
group and they tossed me a rope despite the Captain thinking my 'little'
electrics couldn't save them. *I pulled them back into the center of the
lake and held them while help came. *The fishing tour in my boat caught
two 5 lb rainbow trout while we were doing it too. *Gave the Bus tour
folks a show when the trout went dancing across the lake on the hook.
They go airborne when hooked.

On a canoe, it will just fly with 40 ft lb of thrust.

I hope it does.


As far as batteries go, 70 and 105 amp hours do ring bells. *I ran a
fleet of boats with Fishing Guides in some of them so the cost was just
part of doing business.

You know, you can go to all of the local auto wreckers around here and
buy used batteries for about $25.00 with a warranty. *You can shop for
sizes, not vehicle specific and get the biggest amp hour reserve they have..

I know some folks that recondition the used batteries for Used Car lots
and they put a one year warranty on them. *They state they very seldom
if ever have to honor the warranty, these batteries will start a car for
at least a year so on an occasional use like your boat, they should be
good for several years.

A car battery will do just fine if you don't drain it dry before
charging it again and use a nice long slow charge on it. *All mine
weren't marine, that's for sure.

The only gotcha with a used battery is it needs it's case to be cleaned
with a backing soda and water solution before you use it. *This is to
get rid of the acid that accumulates on the case from many charges over
time. *Just so you don't 'burn' fingerprints in your clothes after
carrying it. *(been there, done that, both things)


You know, I just thought that a case may just make a deep cycle
battery more appealing to me. I noticed with those cases you just run
the cables through the opening, having a strap to transport it. But I
would use the case even for the AGM.

I'll probably get extension cables and put the battery in the front,
or middle according to need. Don't know whether to get the circuit
breaker, which they recommend in the manual.

donquijote1954 wrote:

You know, I just thought that a case may just make a deep cycle
battery more appealing to me. I noticed with those cases you just run
the cables through the opening, having a strap to transport it. But I
would use the case even for the AGM.

I'll probably get extension cables and put the battery in the front,
or middle according to need. Don't know whether to get the circuit
breaker, which they recommend in the manual.

A case with a carry handle is a great idea.

Who's 'manual' recommends the circuit breaker? As mentioned, the old
Minn Kotas were fused with a light bulb. Overload it and the bulb blows.

What does your Minn Kota manual say about fusing?

You can get inline 50A fuses designed for large gauge wire like they use
in high end stereo systems. If you blow the fuse, you paddle because
the motor is cooked.

I can't see where a breaker would have an advantage there. Cooked motor
is a cooked motor. A glass inline fuse is actually safer than a breaker
because it blows faster lessening the damage to the wiring.

Mike

On Jan 9, 12:29*pm, Mike Romain wrote:
donquijote1954 wrote:

You know, I just thought that a case may just make a deep cycle
battery more appealing to me. I noticed with those cases you just run
the cables through the opening, having a strap to transport it. But I
would use the case even for the AGM.

I'll probably get extension cables and put the battery in the front,
or middle according to need. Don't know whether to get the circuit
breaker, which they recommend in the manual.

A case with a carry handle is a great idea.

Who's 'manual' recommends the circuit breaker? *As mentioned, the old
Minn Kotas were fused with a light bulb. *Overload it and the bulb blows..

What does your Minn Kota manual say about fusing?

You can get inline 50A fuses designed for large gauge wire like they use
in high end stereo systems. *If you blow the fuse, you paddle because
the motor is cooked.

I can't see where a breaker would have an advantage there. *Cooked motor
is a cooked motor. *A glass inline fuse is actually safer than a breaker
because it blows faster lessening the damage to the wiring.

Mike

(signed under different account)

Yeah, it says it in the manual. Here it is...

http://www.trollingmotorparts.com/in...c/MKR%2D19.htm

What other stuff is good out of here, quick connector plug?

http://www.trollingmotorparts.com/in...Group/Home.htm