On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:47:47 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer
also.

Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale
value.

Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped
Ford, Chevy or Dodge.

GMC - SLT (high end) crew cab - http://tinyurl.com/2xth8l

Tundra - Limited (high end) crew cab - http://tinyurl.com/2vxdbk

Not a whole lot of price difference there.

I have spent two weeks looking at new trucks.

Similarily equipped trucks, Tundra's are $8/10K above Fords, Chevys or
Dodges.

That assumes that you can find a similarily equipped Tundra which you
can't.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale
value.

Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped
Ford, Chevy or Dodge.

IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The
increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times
I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive
product. This time I mean it. :-)

Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150.

As in VERY disappointed.

However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of
$13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft,
transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a
full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin.

Can't complain about their service.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:37:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I have spent two weeks looking at new trucks.

Similarily equipped trucks, Tundra's are $8/10K above Fords, Chevys or
Dodges.

Look at TCO - Total Cost of Ownership.

Here's another angle: Since the residual value of the Tundra is so
much higher, they should be cheaper to lease. That's the way to go if
you want a new one every 3 years.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:41:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The
increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times
I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive
product. This time I mean it. :-)

Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150.

As in VERY disappointed.

However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of
$13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft,
transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters.

Good grief. I rest my case.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:59:47 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale
value.

Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped
Ford, Chevy or Dodge.

IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The
increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times
I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive
product. This time I mean it. :-)

Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150.

As in VERY disappointed.

However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of
$13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft,
transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a
full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin.

Can't complain about their service.

OK, besides the obvious, how was everything else with the F150?

Fine - can't complain. Leather interior, audio system, moonroof, very
comfortable - all digital this and that - plenty of interior room,
drives great, handles well in bad weather.

It just doens't have any power - and I've got the 5.4 thingy doer with
the plow/tow package.

Oddly, that same package in the FX4 edition, tows my boat just fine -
no problem.

It's totally wierd.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150.

As in VERY disappointed.

However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of
$13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft,
transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a
full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin.

Can't complain about their service.

Good Lord!

That much trouble with a New truck???

my merc wagon is a 1990 with 157,000 mi. I tow a 23' cuddie with it
and haven't had any of that stuff go wrong (yet)

Does Ford put out that big of a POS now?

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:08:59 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:41:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The
increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times
I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive
product. This time I mean it. :-)

Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150.

As in VERY disappointed.

However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of
$13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft,
transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters.

Good grief. I rest my case.

The truck just doesn't have the power to properly tow my boat - can't
figure it out. Power on the original engine was down - couldn't
figure out why. So they replaced the entire drive train and changed
the rear end ratio. It improved, but not significantly.

Oddly, the exact same package in the FX4 edition, tows just fine.

Go figure.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale
value.
Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped
Ford, Chevy or Dodge.
IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The
increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times
I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive
product. This time I mean it. :-)

Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150.

As in VERY disappointed.

However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of
$13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft,
transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a
full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin.

Can't complain about their service.

What happened to it? I've had mine for 6 years now, even rearranged the
right front end and it is still running just like a new truck, except
for the valves tapping a bit.

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:59:47 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale
value.
Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped
Ford, Chevy or Dodge.
IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The
increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times
I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive
product. This time I mean it. :-)
Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150.

As in VERY disappointed.

However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of
$13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft,
transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a
full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin.

Can't complain about their service.
OK, besides the obvious, how was everything else with the F150?
Fine - can't complain. Leather interior, audio system, moonroof, very
comfortable - all digital this and that - plenty of interior room,
drives great, handles well in bad weather.

It just doens't have any power - and I've got the 5.4 thingy doer with
the plow/tow package.

Oddly, that same package in the FX4 edition, tows my boat just fine -
no problem.

It's totally wierd.

From http://www.auto-power-girl.com/speci...d_f150_fx4-843

"FX4 adds: Body-color front and rear bumpers (with monotone paint) or Dark
Shadow Grey front and rear bumpers (with two-tone paint); black bar style
grille insert; wheel-lip moldings; 18-inch machined cast aluminum wheels;
keyless entry keypad; black leather-wrapped steering wheel; black rubber
off-road floor mats; sport cloth 40/20/40-split-front seat with manual
driver and passenger lumbar support. "

Nothing about drive train or engine.

A forum that may interest you:
http://www.fordf150.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11232



Or try http://www.f150online.com

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:37:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:47:47 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer
also.

Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale
value.

Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped
Ford, Chevy or Dodge.

GMC - SLT (high end) crew cab - http://tinyurl.com/2xth8l

Tundra - Limited (high end) crew cab - http://tinyurl.com/2vxdbk

Not a whole lot of price difference there.

I have spent two weeks looking at new trucks.

Similarily equipped trucks, Tundra's are $8/10K above Fords, Chevys or
Dodges.

That assumes that you can find a similarily equipped Tundra which you
can't.

Don't know what you mean by similarly equipped. The two above are similarly
equipped.
--
John H