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I lived for a year with a Marine in Korea....
--
John H

Tsk.. tsk. You admit to 'living in sin' for an entire year?

Might have been a female Marine. But your mind is normally in the
trash.


Was he married to her numbnuts?
Some might consider playing house with a female for a year 'living in
sin'.
On the other hand..knowing our Johnny, I'm sure it was a platonic
relationship.


Agreed, I miss read your reply. But I know what you mean. You an
undercover Rainbow warrior? And you drive a Ford.

Don't hold that Ford against me. It's the 1st and probably the last I'll
own/lease.


Huh? What went wrong with your Ranger Don?

Nothing in particular. It's just a bit rough riding and I find the
visibility bad when backing up out of my driveway.
We live on a narrow street with fairly regular pedestrian sidewalk traffic.
At least three times in the last 20 months I've scared myself just seeing
old ladies suddenly pop into view in the rear mirrors or in the little
supercab door window.
Twice it was the two sisters who always pass using a walker.

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I lived for a year with a Marine in Korea....
--
John H
Tsk.. tsk. You admit to 'living in sin' for an entire year?

Might have been a female Marine. But your mind is normally in the
trash.

Was he married to her numbnuts?
Some might consider playing house with a female for a year 'living in
sin'.
On the other hand..knowing our Johnny, I'm sure it was a platonic
relationship.

Agreed, I miss read your reply. But I know what you mean. You an
undercover Rainbow warrior? And you drive a Ford.
Don't hold that Ford against me. It's the 1st and probably the last
I'll own/lease.

Huh? What went wrong with your Ranger Don?
Nothing in particular. It's just a bit rough riding and I find the
visibility bad when backing up out of my driveway.
We live on a narrow street with fairly regular pedestrian sidewalk
traffic.
At least three times in the last 20 months I've scared myself just seeing
old ladies suddenly pop into view in the rear mirrors or in the little
supercab door window.
Twice it was the two sisters who always pass using a walker.



Damn, and I was thinking about dumping the idea of the F-150 and downsizing
to a Ranger as it would still meet my towing needs. If the Ranger has a
rough ride, I wonder how the F-150's ride is?

We have a 3 car garage but looking at these full size pickup trucks makes me
wonder if one will fit in my garage, even though one bay has an extended
length. Once my son's car is gone I will only have a problem with the
height of the 2 car bay.

My brother in law's brother has an F-150 and parks it outside because the
damn thing won't fit in his garage.....that is what got me thinking about
downsizing. I guess I have to start looking at the dimensions of these
full size trucks.



There are different bed sizes, and wheelbases, available. The 8' bed on
a SuperCrew (or whatever they are calling it now) is a very long truck.
A base F150 with a short box isn't nearly that long.

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I lived for a year with a Marine in Korea....
--
John H

Tsk.. tsk. You admit to 'living in sin' for an entire year?

Might have been a female Marine. But your mind is normally in the
trash.


Was he married to her numbnuts?
Some might consider playing house with a female for a year 'living in
sin'.
On the other hand..knowing our Johnny, I'm sure it was a platonic
relationship.


Agreed, I miss read your reply. But I know what you mean. You an
undercover Rainbow warrior? And you drive a Ford.

Don't hold that Ford against me. It's the 1st and probably the last
I'll own/lease.


Huh? What went wrong with your Ranger Don?

Nothing in particular. It's just a bit rough riding and I find the
visibility bad when backing up out of my driveway.
We live on a narrow street with fairly regular pedestrian sidewalk
traffic.
At least three times in the last 20 months I've scared myself just seeing
old ladies suddenly pop into view in the rear mirrors or in the little
supercab door window.
Twice it was the two sisters who always pass using a walker.



Damn, and I was thinking about dumping the idea of the F-150 and
downsizing to a Ranger as it would still meet my towing needs. If the
Ranger has a rough ride, I wonder how the F-150's ride is?

We have a 3 car garage but looking at these full size pickup trucks makes
me wonder if one will fit in my garage, even though one bay has an
extended length. Once my son's car is gone I will only have a problem
with the height of the 2 car bay.

My brother in law's brother has an F-150 and parks it outside because the
damn thing won't fit in his garage.....that is what got me thinking about
downsizing. I guess I have to start looking at the dimensions of these
full size trucks.

On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of the
regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for less
than $13K.
My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft.

"Don White" wrote in message
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On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of
the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for
less than $13K.
My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft.


Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading
mine back for a full sized truck again.
I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350
PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a
nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss
the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350
diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall.
With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas
station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the
two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas.

My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4
with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with
it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also
is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves
something to be desired.

I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one.

Eisboch

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
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On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of
the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for
less than $13K.
My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft.


Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading
mine back for a full sized truck again.
I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350
PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a
nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss
the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350
diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall.
With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas
station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the
two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas.

My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4
with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with
it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also
is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves
something to be desired.

I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one.

Eisboch


My two wheel drive Sierra was like being in a big Cadillac. Very
comfortable.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...

On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of
the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for
less than $13K.
My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft.

Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading
mine back for a full sized truck again.
I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350
PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a
nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss
the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350
diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall.
With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas
station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the
two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas.

My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4
with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with
it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also
is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves
something to be desired.

I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one.

Eisboch


Check out the new Tundras. Smoooooooooth. Two different V8s, including
the same one I have in my 4Runner. Trouble free, quiet, comfy. Much more
refined on the inside than the Ford or GM trucks.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:50:13 -0500, HK wrote:


On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...

On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of
the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for
less than $13K.
My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft.

Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading
mine back for a full sized truck again.
I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350
PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a
nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss
the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350
diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall.
With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas
station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the
two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas.

My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4
with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with
it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also
is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves
something to be desired.

I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one.

Eisboch


Check out the new Tundras. Smoooooooooth. Two different V8s, including
the same one I have in my 4Runner. Trouble free, quiet, comfy. Much more
refined on the inside than the Ford or GM trucks.

A Tundra may be in my future.
--
John H

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:50:13 -0500, HK wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of
the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for
less than $13K.
My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft.

Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading
mine back for a full sized truck again.
I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350
PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a
nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss
the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350
diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall.
With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas
station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the
two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas.

My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4
with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with
it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also
is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves
something to be desired.

I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one.

Eisboch

Check out the new Tundras. Smoooooooooth. Two different V8s, including
the same one I have in my 4Runner. Trouble free, quiet, comfy. Much more
refined on the inside than the Ford or GM trucks.

A Tundra may be in my future.


In addition to the 4Runner?

Once you start, you can't stop. They're worse than potato chips.

"HK" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:50:13 -0500, HK wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one
of the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling
here for less than $13K.
My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft.

Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and
trading mine back for a full sized truck again.
I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford
F-350 PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4.
Although it's a nice little truck and is adequately powered with the
4.0L V6, I still miss the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about
the same mpg as the F-350 diesel, in fact if anything, it gets
slightly less miles per gallon overall. With it's small fuel tank it
seems like I am always looking for a gas station. The F-350 was good
for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the two trucks are
probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas.

My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a
F-150 4x4 with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was
very impressed with it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer
Ram 1500 4x4 which also is a nice riding truck although the gas
mileage of the mini-hemi leaves something to be desired.

I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never
had one.

Eisboch

Check out the new Tundras. Smoooooooooth. Two different V8s, including
the same one I have in my 4Runner. Trouble free, quiet, comfy. Much more
refined on the inside than the Ford or GM trucks.

A Tundra may be in my future.


In addition to the 4Runner?

Once you start, you can't stop. They're worse than potato chips.

Now that the auto people are starting to acknowledge the strength of the
loonie vs. the yankee dollah, I could lease a regular cab 2x4 Tundra for
$20.00 more per month than my Ranger. That's the truck I wanted in the
first place before they ruined it by American sizing it.
A lot of us city people don't want or need a honking big truck to run around
town.

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:50:13 -0500, HK wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one
of the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling
here for less than $13K.
My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft.

Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and
trading mine back for a full sized truck again.
I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford
F-350 PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4.
Although it's a nice little truck and is adequately powered with the
4.0L V6, I still miss the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about
the same mpg as the F-350 diesel, in fact if anything, it gets
slightly less miles per gallon overall. With it's small fuel tank it
seems like I am always looking for a gas station. The F-350 was good
for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the two trucks are
probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas.

My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a
F-150 4x4 with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was
very impressed with it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer
Ram 1500 4x4 which also is a nice riding truck although the gas
mileage of the mini-hemi leaves something to be desired.

I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never
had one.

Eisboch
Check out the new Tundras. Smoooooooooth. Two different V8s, including
the same one I have in my 4Runner. Trouble free, quiet, comfy. Much more
refined on the inside than the Ford or GM trucks.
A Tundra may be in my future.

In addition to the 4Runner?

Once you start, you can't stop. They're worse than potato chips.

Now that the auto people are starting to acknowledge the strength of the
loonie vs. the yankee dollah, I could lease a regular cab 2x4 Tundra for
$20.00 more per month than my Ranger. That's the truck I wanted in the
first place before they ruined it by American sizing it.
A lot of us city people don't want or need a honking big truck to run around
town.


The smaller Toyota trucks look pretty nice, too. Never owned one, but
there are lots around, plain and fancy.