So, why aren't the deck plates identified?
I've read about these mistakes before and never understood why things aren't
clearly labeled, especially when having enough money to own a boat doesn't
mean you have any technical aptitude or interest.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
Don't know about most days, but today there is no doubt just who's the
dumbest guy in the NG. Yours truly.

Thought I'd move the boat from my covered slip over to the yacht club
dock this afternoon. About a half hour's run.

En route, I began calculating how long it had been since last taking
on a load of fuel.

"I'm probably OK," I thought. "But maybe I'll stop off at the fuel
dock and get 20 gallons or so just for insurance. I'll fuel up
seriously next time I'm outside the locks and can get B20."

Pulled up to the local fuel dock. $3.99 per gallon for diesel. No big
deal, $80 bucks worth and I'll be certain of having more than enough
aboard for the upcoming lighted boats parades.

"In fact", I thought, "I'll put it all in the starboard tank. The trim
is a little heavy to port right now, and that will level things off
quite nicely."

"Hello, Chuck" says the fuel dock guy.

"Hi, Dave. I'm only going to put 20 gallons or so in the starboard
tank, just to
make sure I've got enough to do the Special People's Cruise and the
parade."

"No problem."

I uncrew the deck plate and begin filling the tank. At about 14 or 15
gallons, I'm hearing fuel in the vent line. "Impossible! I need a lot
more fuel than that, I've got to be down at least 100 gallons in this
150-gallon tank what the heck?"

Oh.......*That's* the heck!

In the gathering late afternoon darkness, I had unscrewed the deck cap
for the holding tank pump out.......immediately next to the fuel tank
filler. I had just topped off my holding tank with diesel.

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.

"Don't feel too badly," said Dave. "The Argosy (huge commercial
charter boat) did exactly the same thing here not long ago. But of
course they took on well oer 100 gallons before they realized what
they had done."

"What did they do about it?" I asked.

"We hooked up my oil change pump and sucked it out. Only problem is, I
need a new hose for my oil change pump so I don't dare try to evacuate
your holding tank. I know I'd have diesel leaking into the water for
sure. Frankly, I don't know what we can do for you tonight, I'm
getting ready to close and go home."

They say Providence looks after kids and idiots, and just then this
idiot got a break.

Putt, putt, putting along the canal was one of the local "Sani-system"
boats.
A unique group of businessmen make a living by running small boats
with pumps and several hundred gallon holding tanks into our local
marinas where they pump out the holding tanks for liveaboards. It
normally costs about $25 to have a holding tank pumped. Dave waved the
guy over to the fuel dock.

"Maybe you can help us out," said Dave. "Chuck here has just pumped
about 15 gallons of diesel into his holding tank."

"No way," was the first response. "I can't put diesel into my sewage
tank, I wouldn't be able to discharge it."

"I have a plan," said Dave. I'll truck one of my waste oil recycling
barrels out here to the dock, you disconnect your hose from your sewer
tank and pump into the barrel. We'll flush the hose with a few gallons
of soapy water, and put that into the barrel as well, and then rinse
it all out with some lake water- also into the barrel."

"Well, OK" said the sani-system guy.

We pumped the holding tank into the recycle barrel. (The tank itself
was pretty empty before I added the diesel). Then we dumped some TSP
cleaner and water into the tank and sucked that into the barrel as
well. Finally, we
flushed the hose with lake water, and the ridiculous screw up was
corrected.

And so the dumbest guy in the NG, and certainly the dumbest guy
actually out on a boat in Seattle (there wasn't much traffic) this
afternoon was rescued from his own stupidity by a couple of guys who
didn't really *have* to do anything. I paid the pump out guy for his
time and trouble, but the Dave didn't charge me anything for the extra
trouble, or for staying past closing time to get me squared away. I am
on the hook for $2 per gallon to recyle the contaminated diesel when
the guy comes around to pick it up, but I'll be glad to get off so
cheaply.

"Good thing that wasn't gasoline," we all agreed.

"And good thing it wasn't your water tank," commented Dave. "This
happens more often than you'd think, and a lot of times people put
fuel into their potable water tanks. About the only real cure for that
is to replace the tank, and maybe some of the lines if any of the fuel
gets pumped through. You're getting off for under a hundred bucks all
said, all done, while a water tank replacement could cost $1000 or
more."

So round up the doo-wop group; "dum, dum, dum dum, dum de de de
diddly, dum dum doo wah....." :-)

On Nov 29, 9:52�pm, "William Andersen" wrote:
So, why aren't the deck plates identified?
I've read about these mistakes before and never understood why things aren't
clearly labeled, especially when having enough money to own a boat doesn't
mean you have any technical aptitude or interest.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...



Don't know about most days, but today there is no doubt just who's the
dumbest guy in the NG. �Yours truly.

Thought I'd move the boat from my covered slip over to the yacht club
dock this afternoon. About a half hour's run.

En route, I began calculating how long it had been since last taking
on a load of fuel.

"I'm probably OK," I thought. "But maybe I'll stop off at the fuel
dock and get 20 gallons or so just for insurance. I'll fuel up
seriously next time I'm outside the locks and can get B20."

Pulled up to the local fuel dock. $3.99 per gallon for diesel. No big
deal, $80 bucks worth and I'll be certain of having more than enough
aboard for the upcoming lighted boats parades.

"In fact", I thought, "I'll put it all in the starboard tank. The trim
is a little heavy to port right now, and that will level things off
quite nicely."

"Hello, Chuck" says the fuel dock guy.

"Hi, Dave. I'm only going to put 20 gallons or so in the starboard
tank, just to
make sure I've got enough to do the Special People's Cruise and the
parade."

"No problem."

I uncrew the deck plate and begin filling the tank. At about 14 or 15
gallons, I'm hearing fuel in the vent line. "Impossible! I need a lot
more fuel than that, I've got to be down at least 100 gallons in this
150-gallon tank what the heck?"

Oh.......*That's* the heck!

In the gathering late afternoon darkness, I had unscrewed the deck cap
for the holding tank pump out.......immediately next to the fuel tank
filler. I had just topped off my holding tank with diesel.

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.

"Don't feel too badly," said Dave. "The Argosy (huge commercial
charter boat) did exactly the same thing here not long ago. But of
course they took on well oer 100 gallons before they realized what
they had done."

"What did they do about it?" I asked.

"We hooked up my oil change pump and sucked it out. Only problem is, I
need a new hose for my oil change pump so I don't dare try to evacuate
your holding tank. I know I'd have diesel leaking into the water for
sure. Frankly, I don't know what we can do for you tonight, I'm
getting ready to close and go home."

They say Providence looks after kids and idiots, and just then this
idiot got a break.

Putt, putt, putting along the canal was one of the local "Sani-system"
boats.
A unique group of businessmen make a living by running small boats
with pumps and several hundred gallon holding tanks into our local
marinas where they pump out the holding tanks for liveaboards. It
normally costs about $25 to have a holding tank pumped. Dave waved the
guy over to the fuel dock.

"Maybe you can help us out," said Dave. "Chuck here has just pumped
about 15 gallons of diesel into his holding tank."

"No way," was the first response. "I can't put diesel into my sewage
tank, I wouldn't be able to discharge it."

"I have a plan," said Dave. I'll truck one of my waste oil recycling
barrels out here to the dock, you disconnect your hose from your sewer
tank and pump into the barrel. We'll flush the hose with a few gallons
of soapy water, and put that into the barrel as well, and then rinse
it all out with some lake water- also into the barrel."

"Well, OK" said the sani-system guy.

We pumped the holding tank into the recycle barrel. (The tank itself
was pretty empty before I added the diesel). Then we dumped some TSP
cleaner and water into the tank and sucked that into the barrel as
well. Finally, we
flushed the hose with lake water, and the ridiculous screw up was
corrected.

And so the dumbest guy in the NG, and certainly the dumbest guy
actually out on a boat in Seattle (there wasn't much traffic) this
afternoon was rescued from his own stupidity by a couple of guys who
didn't really *have* to do anything. I paid the pump out guy for his
time and trouble, but the Dave didn't charge me anything for the extra
trouble, or for staying past closing time to get me squared away. I am
on the hook for $2 per gallon to recyle the contaminated diesel when
the guy comes around to pick it up, but I'll be glad to get off so
cheaply.

"Good thing that wasn't gasoline," we all agreed.

"And good thing it wasn't your water tank," commented Dave. "This
happens more often than you'd think, and a lot of times people put
fuel into their potable water tanks. About the only real cure for that
is to replace the tank, and maybe some of the lines if any of the fuel
gets pumped through. You're getting off for under a hundred bucks all
said, all done, while a water tank replacement could cost $1000 or
more."

So round up the doo-wop group; "dum, dum, dum dum, dum de de de
diddly, dum dum doo wah....." � :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Both bronze plates are the same size and are unlabeled. The word
"Diesel" is cast into the collar around the fuel fill, while the
collar around the pump out cap is plain. It was hard to tell them
apart in the dark, but there was no excuse for the mistake after
owning the boat for as many years as I have. It was simply a
mistake,,,,,,,,,and anybody can make one.

I'm thinking of painting the fuel fill plate green, to match the
diesel hose.

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:47:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

I'm thinking of painting the fuel fill plate green, to match the
diesel hose.

Perhaps it might be better if you installed a small deck light near
the fittings for this type of situation.

Not to worry and welcome to the club.

I could tell you stories... :)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:47:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

I'm thinking of painting the fuel fill plate green, to match the
diesel hose.

Perhaps it might be better if you installed a small deck light near
the fittings for this type of situation.

Not to worry and welcome to the club.

I could tell you stories... :)


As a charter member of the occasionally dumb club, I can confidently say
that no further action is necessary.

It is very doubtful it will ever happen again.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:47:13 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

I'm thinking of painting the fuel fill plate green, to match the
diesel hose.

Perhaps it might be better if you installed a small deck light near
the fittings for this type of situation.

Not to worry and welcome to the club.

I could tell you stories... :)


As a charter member of the occasionally dumb club, I can confidently say
that no further action is necessary.

It is very doubtful it will ever happen again.

Eisboch


My father in law had his sailboat in an airline fly and rent program. Had
an Atomic 4 gas motor and the renters filled the water tank with gasoline.
Was a stainless tank, so was able to be cleaned, but cost renters big bucks.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 29, 9:52�pm, "William Andersen" wrote:
So, why aren't the deck plates identified?
I've read about these mistakes before and never understood why things aren't
clearly labeled, especially when having enough money to own a boat doesn't
mean you have any technical aptitude or interest.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...



Don't know about most days, but today there is no doubt just who's the
dumbest guy in the NG. �Yours truly.
Thought I'd move the boat from my covered slip over to the yacht club
dock this afternoon. About a half hour's run.
En route, I began calculating how long it had been since last taking
on a load of fuel.
"I'm probably OK," I thought. "But maybe I'll stop off at the fuel
dock and get 20 gallons or so just for insurance. I'll fuel up
seriously next time I'm outside the locks and can get B20."
Pulled up to the local fuel dock. $3.99 per gallon for diesel. No big
deal, $80 bucks worth and I'll be certain of having more than enough
aboard for the upcoming lighted boats parades.
"In fact", I thought, "I'll put it all in the starboard tank. The trim
is a little heavy to port right now, and that will level things off
quite nicely."
"Hello, Chuck" says the fuel dock guy.
"Hi, Dave. I'm only going to put 20 gallons or so in the starboard
tank, just to
make sure I've got enough to do the Special People's Cruise and the
parade."
"No problem."
I uncrew the deck plate and begin filling the tank. At about 14 or 15
gallons, I'm hearing fuel in the vent line. "Impossible! I need a lot
more fuel than that, I've got to be down at least 100 gallons in this
150-gallon tank what the heck?"
Oh.......*That's* the heck!


Both bronze plates are the same size and are unlabeled. The word
"Diesel" is cast into the collar around the fuel fill, while the
collar around the pump out cap is plain. It was hard to tell them
apart in the dark, but there was no excuse for the mistake after
owning the boat for as many years as I have. It was simply a
mistake,,,,,,,,,and anybody can make one.

I'm thinking of painting the fuel fill plate green, to match the
diesel hose.


Early last season a professional captain was delivering a new $350,000
express cruiser with 10 hours on the three engines to its owners in
another port. He filled up the tanks with gasoline before leaving.
Whoops. He filled up the water tanks with gasoline.

The selling dealer and the captain paid for replumbing the entire fresh
water system in the boat, to the tune of $35,000, but the smell was
still there and their lawyers suggested a full settlement. So the
insurance companies ended up replacing the boat with a brand new one.
The boat with the smell was sold off recently for about $75,000,
presumably to someone with a less sensitive sniffer.

Chuck Gould wrote:

Don't know about most days, but today there is no doubt just who's the
dumbest guy in the NG. ?Yours truly.


A while back I posted a picture of this boat that was for sale here at
Kingman.

http://www.eisboch.com/downeast.jpg

Well, somebody bought it and had it surveyed stem to stern, along with a
full mechanic's inspection. The result of the inspections generated a list
of maintenence and other recommendations that, in the opinion of the
surveyor and mechanic, should be accomplished before the new owner took the
boat south per his plan.

After spending the money for the inspections, the new owner chose to ignore
the recommendations.. He had a friend or some totally unqualified person do
a couple of things I am told, but decided to postpone any other work until
he arrived at his southern destination.

I found out yesterday that the boat caught on fire somewhere in the Delaware
River.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Don't know about most days, but today there is no doubt just who's the
dumbest guy in the NG. ?Yours truly.


A while back I posted a picture of this boat that was for sale here at
Kingman.

http://www.eisboch.com/downeast.jpg

Well, somebody bought it and had it surveyed stem to stern, along with a
full mechanic's inspection. The result of the inspections generated a list
of maintenence and other recommendations that, in the opinion of the
surveyor and mechanic, should be accomplished before the new owner took the
boat south per his plan.

After spending the money for the inspections, the new owner chose to ignore
the recommendations.. He had a friend or some totally unqualified person do
a couple of things I am told, but decided to postpone any other work until
he arrived at his southern destination.

I found out yesterday that the boat caught on fire somewhere in the Delaware
River.

Eisboch



I bet he won't make that mistake again.

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:25:23 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

After spending the money for the inspections, the new owner chose to ignore
the recommendations.. He had a friend or some totally unqualified person do
a couple of things I am told, but decided to postpone any other work until
he arrived at his southern destination.

I found out yesterday that the boat caught on fire somewhere in the Delaware
River.

Eisboch



I bet he won't make that mistake again.

He'll be lucky if he ever gets insurance again. Those guys have a
long memory and share "information".

I like the paint idea.
I wasn't being critical of you; it's just that I've read of others making
the same mistakes and could never understand why they aren't clearly
identified in the first place.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Nov 29, 9:52?pm, "William Andersen" wrote:
So, why aren't the deck plates identified?
I've read about these mistakes before and never understood why things
aren't
clearly labeled, especially when having enough money to own a boat doesn't
mean you have any technical aptitude or interest.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...



Don't know about most days, but today there is no doubt just who's the
dumbest guy in the NG. ?Yours truly.

Thought I'd move the boat from my covered slip over to the yacht club
dock this afternoon. About a half hour's run.

En route, I began calculating how long it had been since last taking
on a load of fuel.

"I'm probably OK," I thought. "But maybe I'll stop off at the fuel
dock and get 20 gallons or so just for insurance. I'll fuel up
seriously next time I'm outside the locks and can get B20."

Pulled up to the local fuel dock. $3.99 per gallon for diesel. No big
deal, $80 bucks worth and I'll be certain of having more than enough
aboard for the upcoming lighted boats parades.

"In fact", I thought, "I'll put it all in the starboard tank. The trim
is a little heavy to port right now, and that will level things off
quite nicely."

"Hello, Chuck" says the fuel dock guy.

"Hi, Dave. I'm only going to put 20 gallons or so in the starboard
tank, just to
make sure I've got enough to do the Special People's Cruise and the
parade."

"No problem."

I uncrew the deck plate and begin filling the tank. At about 14 or 15
gallons, I'm hearing fuel in the vent line. "Impossible! I need a lot
more fuel than that, I've got to be down at least 100 gallons in this
150-gallon tank what the heck?"

Oh.......*That's* the heck!

In the gathering late afternoon darkness, I had unscrewed the deck cap
for the holding tank pump out.......immediately next to the fuel tank
filler. I had just topped off my holding tank with diesel.

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.

"Don't feel too badly," said Dave. "The Argosy (huge commercial
charter boat) did exactly the same thing here not long ago. But of
course they took on well oer 100 gallons before they realized what
they had done."

"What did they do about it?" I asked.

"We hooked up my oil change pump and sucked it out. Only problem is, I
need a new hose for my oil change pump so I don't dare try to evacuate
your holding tank. I know I'd have diesel leaking into the water for
sure. Frankly, I don't know what we can do for you tonight, I'm
getting ready to close and go home."

They say Providence looks after kids and idiots, and just then this
idiot got a break.

Putt, putt, putting along the canal was one of the local "Sani-system"
boats.
A unique group of businessmen make a living by running small boats
with pumps and several hundred gallon holding tanks into our local
marinas where they pump out the holding tanks for liveaboards. It
normally costs about $25 to have a holding tank pumped. Dave waved the
guy over to the fuel dock.

"Maybe you can help us out," said Dave. "Chuck here has just pumped
about 15 gallons of diesel into his holding tank."

"No way," was the first response. "I can't put diesel into my sewage
tank, I wouldn't be able to discharge it."

"I have a plan," said Dave. I'll truck one of my waste oil recycling
barrels out here to the dock, you disconnect your hose from your sewer
tank and pump into the barrel. We'll flush the hose with a few gallons
of soapy water, and put that into the barrel as well, and then rinse
it all out with some lake water- also into the barrel."

"Well, OK" said the sani-system guy.

We pumped the holding tank into the recycle barrel. (The tank itself
was pretty empty before I added the diesel). Then we dumped some TSP
cleaner and water into the tank and sucked that into the barrel as
well. Finally, we
flushed the hose with lake water, and the ridiculous screw up was
corrected.

And so the dumbest guy in the NG, and certainly the dumbest guy
actually out on a boat in Seattle (there wasn't much traffic) this
afternoon was rescued from his own stupidity by a couple of guys who
didn't really *have* to do anything. I paid the pump out guy for his
time and trouble, but the Dave didn't charge me anything for the extra
trouble, or for staying past closing time to get me squared away. I am
on the hook for $2 per gallon to recyle the contaminated diesel when
the guy comes around to pick it up, but I'll be glad to get off so
cheaply.

"Good thing that wasn't gasoline," we all agreed.

"And good thing it wasn't your water tank," commented Dave. "This
happens more often than you'd think, and a lot of times people put
fuel into their potable water tanks. About the only real cure for that
is to replace the tank, and maybe some of the lines if any of the fuel
gets pumped through. You're getting off for under a hundred bucks all
said, all done, while a water tank replacement could cost $1000 or
more."

So round up the doo-wop group; "dum, dum, dum dum, dum de de de
diddly, dum dum doo wah....." ? :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Both bronze plates are the same size and are unlabeled. The word
"Diesel" is cast into the collar around the fuel fill, while the
collar around the pump out cap is plain. It was hard to tell them
apart in the dark, but there was no excuse for the mistake after
owning the boat for as many years as I have. It was simply a
mistake,,,,,,,,,and anybody can make one.

I'm thinking of painting the fuel fill plate green, to match the
diesel hose.